- You forgot to mention that if you install NAV from the CD, the first
update is another 45MB download.......

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I don't consider you to be dissenting in the slightest!  - in fact you
proved the point!!

You admit that you had to curtail NAV's trampling over the OS to be able to
get it to work 'properly'.
All I've said (in slightly stronger language, granted!), is that if you
leave NAV to run the way it's designed to run, it WILL cripple the system
sooner (usually) or later (the rest of the time).

I see no disagreement - only a difference in emphasis.

I want my AV program to  work 'properly' out of the box - without tweaking
to prevent it killing the OS - and there are any number of AV's that can do
that. Why is it beyond the capability of the programmers at Symantec to do
so???

They **still** insist on filling the registry with large numbers of entries,
when they are well aware that the first thing that any malware is going to
do is attempt to trash the registry entries -  -and they insist on using
registry entries that they are well aware will evaporate on any use of
System Restore - over five years after SR became the default condition.

Symantec are living in the past - and it's catching up to them. The only
reason they still have the market share that they do, is because of immense
sales efforts, and bundling with new computers.

Examine the version of your Symantec\LiveUpdate\LUALL.exe file.  If it is
not 2.6.14.0, obtain the updated version at
http://www.softwarepatch.com/internet/liveupdate.html
You may wish to re-upgrade in the event of any possible file corruption,
anyway.

The DL'd file, lusetup.exe, can be placed in the Live Update folder,
replacing a renamed version, and run from there to update the Live Update
engine.

If you continue to have problems, repost with the EXACT error message, so we
can better help you.
How to Examine Detailed Error Messages in Windows Millennium Edition
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;264938
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FWIW, I do not disagree with my colleagues' assessment of NAV here.  I only
run NAV 2004 Pro on this WinME box to be able to help you and others with
problems.  The only issue I see with it usually is the "broken" problem
after reverting with System Restore. This is a real PITA, for those using
dial-up, due to the size of the "catch-up" DL's from Symantec  (see heirloom
and Noel's comments).   Others have reported several more issues.
Due to its huge file  footprint and great use of system resources, not to
mention its reputed vulnerabilities, I urge you to consider another AV tool
when the current subscription to signatures expires:

The Virus Bulletin
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/

ICSA Labs - TrueSecure Corp.
http://www.icsalabs.com/html/communities/antivirus/certifiedproducts.shtml

AV-Test
http://www.av-test.org/

FWIW, I think EOD32 is probably the best Win9X AV tool just now, but I am
also happy with the free AVG  (greatly imporved in the past year),  and
CAI's eTrust EZ AV and their eTrust Armor bundle.  The bundle is still
available as a one year free trial via Microsoft Win Updates:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/windowsme/firewall.mspx

As the benchmarking organizations report, several other AV tools are also
very good.  Many are a fine and better alternative to NAV, at this time,
IMHO.  I realize that others may disagree, but that is what the "personal"
in personal computing means.

Hallo,
I had the same problem and was intended to drop my Norton 2003 but after i
dedected that KB- patch KB891781 was causing the problem everthing was
solved...
So at least try it if not yet cancelled that patch.

Regards
Huib