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Steve - 26 Feb 2004 22:33 GMT
I run Windows Me with an 80G primary master hard drive & a
20G secondary master hard drive.  defrag.exe will defrag
the primary master hard drive ok with no problem of any
kind.  However, when I try to defrag the secondary master
hard drive it stops after 10% completed with two error
boxes.  One appears to be an MS-DOS error box, all white
with grey bottons, saying:

                  defrag
  An error has occured in your program.  To keep working
anyhow
click ignore and save your work in a new file.  To quit
this program, click Close.
  You will lose information you entered since your last
Save.
          And there are two grey buttons at the bottom.
          The left button says 'Close'
          The right button says 'Ignore'  (selecting
the 'Ignore' button has no effect of any kind!

The second error box appears to be a Windows error box,
with blue bar across the top, saying:

Defrag has caused an error in DEFRAG.EXE
Defrag will now close.

If you continue to experience problems,
Try restarting your computer.  (restarting has no effect
at all)
There is a yellow upside down triangle with an explanation
point in it to the left of the working & a Close button.

Anyone have any idea what's going on here?
Thanks in advance for the help
Steve in Memphis
Rick T - 26 Feb 2004 23:01 GMT
Hi steve

Run a scandisk with a thorough check, maybe even a surface-check, on the
drive before trying to defrag again. If you have TSRs running which may
try to access the disk, run both in Safe Mode.

HTH

Rick

> I run Windows Me with an 80G primary master hard drive & a
> 20G secondary master hard drive.  defrag.exe will defrag
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> Thanks in advance for the help
> Steve in Memphis
anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com - 27 Feb 2004 01:32 GMT
Thanks for the quick reply Rick

However!!  Did the thorough scandisk; I have no idea what
TSRs may be, but to the best of my knowledge, no programs
were running when I redid the defrag in SAFE mode.  Exact
same problem occured, same two message boxes.  Any other
idesa???

One other thing, I found a 15 day trial version of a
commercial defrager for sale, downloaded it, installed it,
ran it, it worked perfect!?!  Uninstalled it, removed it
totally, the Windows defrag still would not work, same two
error messages!?!

Very stange!!  Any ideas at all?????
Thanks again
Steve

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi steve
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>> Steve in Memphis
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Heather - 27 Feb 2004 02:54 GMT
Was that Diskeeper that you tried?  There is a free version of it.  Heirloom
will know the link.  And don't feel bad.......Rick comes from a foreign
country and I don't have a clue what a TSR is either.....LOL.

Heather
> Thanks for the quick reply Rick
>
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> >> Steve in Memphis
> >.
Rick T - 27 Feb 2004 04:01 GMT
> Was that Diskeeper that you tried?  There is a free version of it.  Heirloom
> will know the link.  And don't feel bad.......Rick comes from a foreign
> country and I don't have a clue what a TSR is either.....LOL.

Wha'dja say there, Bram'Hilda?

TSR - "Terminate Stay Resident" uh, never mind, I meant Background Task.

Rick
Steve - 27 Feb 2004 15:20 GMT
Thanks Heather     It was indeed Diskeeper, which seems to
be a very excellent product.  I've been able to find a few
site with the free trial version, but none with just a
totally free whole deal download.  I'd really like that
like if you can get it.  And, I also do not know who, or
what, Heirloom might be.
Again Thanks
Steve in Memphis

>-----Original Message-----
>Was that Diskeeper that you tried?  There is a free version of it.  Heirloom
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>
>.
Heather - 27 Feb 2004 21:44 GMT
Hi Steve.......I put "Diskeeper Lite" into Google and came up with a couple
of spots.  This is not as full-featured as the trial you used, but hopefully
you can get it at the following website........it diverts you to the
Executive site.....

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Disk_Maintenance_and_Repair_Utiliti
es/Diskeeper_Lite.html


Heather

> Thanks Heather     It was indeed Diskeeper, which seems to
> be a very excellent product.  I've been able to find a few
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> >
> >.
Rick T - 27 Feb 2004 04:03 GMT
Mebbe turn off every Defrag option and turn them on one at a time; my
money's on the "arrange my program files so they start faster" being the
problem; but turn off both that and the "check for errors" bit, just to see.

Rick

> Thanks for the quick reply Rick
>
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>>>Defrag has caused an error in DEFRAG.EXE
>>>Defrag will now close.
Steve - 27 Feb 2004 18:41 GMT
RICK T YOU ARE A HERO!!!!!  Got it exactly right!!!  With
the 'arrange my program files . . ." unselected the
Windows defrag works perfectsly.  Kind of a new strange
now, though.  Now when I run the defrag with the 'arrange
my . . .' checked, the defrag simply stops!!  No error
message nor error box at all!!  Nonetheless, my problem is
solved & I am very grateful!!
Again many thanks
Steve in Memphis

>-----Original Message-----
>Mebbe turn off every Defrag option and turn them on one at a time; my
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>>>>Defrag will now close.
>.
Rick T - 27 Feb 2004 19:51 GMT
> RICK T YOU ARE A HERO!!!!!  

<buffs fingernails on vest>

> Got it exactly right!!!  With
> the 'arrange my program files . . ." unselected the
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> Again many thanks
> Steve in Memphis

At a guess your second HD's partition is set 'Active' which confused
Defrag which couldn't find an OS on it. I don't want to risk my Hero
status by suggesting you reset the flag using fdisk but that might work
(don't change the wrong hd).

Rick
Hero <g>
Noel Paton - 27 Feb 2004 20:03 GMT
Probably easier - try deleting the contents of the C:\Windows\APPLOG
folder - there may be a broken link in here.
The contents should be rebuilt after a reboot
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=218160

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> > RICK T YOU ARE A HERO!!!!!
>
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> Rick
> Hero <g>
Steve - 27 Feb 2004 22:15 GMT
Well!!!  There now be two HEROs!!!!

Rick T = HERO  (which we already knew) & now
Noel Paton = HERO clearing APPLOG has solved all problems)

Thanks guys.  I'm amazed with you'll guy's knowledge!!
Steve in Memphis

>-----Original Message-----
>Probably easier - try deleting the contents of the C:\Windows\APPLOG
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>
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Heather - 27 Feb 2004 22:34 GMT
Harumph!!  They will not be able to get thru the doorframe if you keep
calling them HEROES!!  (VBG)

Which brings a question of my own.......Noel-Hero.....should you ever clear
out the APPLOG folder from time to time......or just leave it.  Sometimes I
take out the larger files.  Just a silly question, but a HERO can handle it
(ROFL).

Just a female.......

> Well!!!  There now be two HEROs!!!!
>
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> >
> >.
Noel Paton - 27 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT
As one hero to another (<?>) - no!
the whole idea of the applog folder is that the contents keep track of the
'most often/used ' programs, and  then optimises the defrag to make those
ones load faster. Deleting ANY files within the folder could mean

1) prolonged Defrag times, due to reorganisation of significant parts of the
OS
2) slower loading of programs due to such action
3) corrupted APPLOG contents - and you (especially) know where that
leads!<g>

HTH

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> Harumph!!  They will not be able to get thru the doorframe if you keep
> calling them HEROES!!  (VBG)
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> > >
> > >.
Heather - 27 Feb 2004 23:39 GMT
Yeppers......as to knowing where corruption leads.....which I guess makes me
an expert on that tidbit.  (G)

Thanks.......I wondered if you ever deleted any of it.....not that it
matters.  The only ones I removed were from programs I was either not using
or had removed.

I treat it with the utmost respect now that Jack M. figured out what was
wrong.  Where is he, btw???  I miss his posts.  But I guess there is only
room for 2 heros.......and a heroine.......bwa ha ha.

Oh.....collecting up pub nites for June.....care to join in?  It will be
cheap coz I am allergic to beer......(and pork, so no sausages).  Just
joshing you.....but am now beginning to realize we are really
going......yahoo!!

XX  Figgs
> As one hero to another (<?>) - no!
> the whole idea of the applog folder is that the contents keep track of the
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> > > >
> > > >.
Noel Paton - 27 Feb 2004 23:54 GMT
( remind me - where was I going in June? - Australia, wasn't it?<g>)

I'm always available for alcohol, Figgs - as you've probably worked out by
now. I'm not even too fussy about quantity - so long as it's 'enough' !!
<VBG>

Shame about the sausages, though - still, I suppose it means all the more
for me!

Oh - and BTW, Yahoo is a dirty word in this country at present (they've just
taken control of the BTOpenworld ISP), so mind your language! (Waheyyyy, is
OK, though)

(u furriners reale shud lurn too speke gud Inglish lyke wot we does!)

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> Yeppers......as to knowing where corruption leads.....which I guess makes me
> an expert on that tidbit.  (G)
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>
> XX  Figgs
Heather - 28 Feb 2004 00:41 GMT
I would tell you to do something, but this is a *family* ng.......LOL.  You
and Mart are a pair of wusses.  Afraid of the big, bad Canadians invading
your country??

Yee Gods (a switch from Yahoo)......you shur tok funnie.  I can hear that
Scottish Welsh accent from over here!!  OK......you get my beer and
sausages....I will have white wine and filet mignon.....your treat!!  heh
heh.

So Yahoo invaded, did they.  I saw in the paper today that they made big
money this year.....catching up to Google they are.  But Billy Gates is
still at the top of the money list.  I can't even imagine one billion
dollars, let alone 48 of them!!

XX  Figgs
> ( remind me - where was I going in June? - Australia, wasn't it?<g>)
>
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> >
> > XX  Figgs
Steve in Memphios - 28 Feb 2004 16:02 GMT
Errr.r.r.r..r..r  Hero Heather . . . .  is there really a
place to get a free non-trial copy of Diskeeper??  I don't
have a billion YET either & would rather spend my $30 on
beer, too!!!!!    

>-----Original Message-----
>I would tell you to do something, but this is a *family* ng.......LOL.  You
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>
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Heather - 28 Feb 2004 19:20 GMT
Yep.......I already gave you the link in this thread, grin.  So will copy it
over again.  This one is Diskeeper Lite.....not quite as good as the pay
version......but what the heck.....

Hi Steve.......I put "Diskeeper Lite" into Google and came up with a couple
of spots.  This is not as full-featured as the trial you used, but hopefully
you can get it at the following website........it diverts you to the
Executive site.....

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Disk_Maintenance_and_Repair_Utiliti
es/Diskeeper_Lite.html


(Hero) Heather

> Errr.r.r.r..r..r  Hero Heather . . . .  is there really a
> place to get a free non-trial copy of Diskeeper??  I don't
> have a billion YET either & would rather spend my $30 on
> beer, too!!!!!
 
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