Windows Forum / Windows Me / System Tools / August 2004
XP vs. Windows 2000
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Jack C. - 28 Aug 2004 11:29 GMT My system is ME. One computer expert told me I should upgrade to Windows 2000. Another computer expert suggests I should upgrade to XP. I just have routine home use - no movies, games, etc. Which system do you recommmend I upgrade to ?
Mike M - 28 Aug 2004 12:17 GMT Personally I'd recommend XP as support for Windows 2000 is going to cease before that for XP. For example Direct OEM and Retail Windows 2000 Desktop Licenses stopped being officially available March 31 2004 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx). That page however needs to be read with a pinch of salt as it also mentions an XP cease date of December 21 2005 which is unlikely since the replacement operating system codename Longhorn isn't even scheduled for release until late 2006.
Note also that upgrading from Win Me to Windows 2000 is not a supported upgrade.
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> My system is ME. One computer expert told me I should > upgrade to Windows 2000. Another computer expert suggests > I should upgrade to XP. I just have routine home use - no > movies, games, etc. Which system do you recommmend I > upgrade to ? Shane - 28 Aug 2004 15:20 GMT > however needs to be read with a pinch of salt as it also mentions an XP > cease date of December 21 2005 which is unlikely since the replacement > operating system codename Longhorn isn't even scheduled for release until > late 2006. MS should be given the contract for widening our motorways, Mike.
Shane
Mike M - 28 Aug 2004 15:29 GMT > MS should be given the contract for widening our motorways, Mike. LOL
But who needs wider motorways when on two wheels? Isn't the hard shoulder wide enough for you Shane? :-)
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Joan Archer - 28 Aug 2004 18:02 GMT <lol> Probably not. Joan
Isn't the hard
> shoulder wide enough for you Shane? :-) Shane - 28 Aug 2004 18:03 GMT Heh. You've seen me riding then, Mike? Actually, last time I took to the hard shoulder I got nicked - albeit for the speeding just beforehand (and I hasten to add that, since returning to my Triumph roots in '96, I haven't been stopped for anything!).
Shane
> > MS should be given the contract for widening our motorways, Mike. > > LOL > > But who needs wider motorways when on two wheels? Isn't the hard shoulder > wide enough for you Shane? :-) Mike M - 28 Aug 2004 18:32 GMT > Heh. You've seen me riding then, Mike? No but then again you're not the only one who uses, or in some cases used to use, two wheels. :-)
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> Heh. You've seen me riding then, Mike? Actually, last time I took to > the hard shoulder I got nicked - albeit for the speeding just > beforehand (and I hasten to add that, since returning to my Triumph > roots in '96, I haven't been stopped for anything!). Shane - 29 Aug 2004 00:38 GMT What'd you ride, Mike?
Shane
> > Heh. You've seen me riding then, Mike? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > beforehand (and I hasten to add that, since returning to my Triumph > > roots in '96, I haven't been stopped for anything!). Mike M - 29 Aug 2004 01:02 GMT > What'd you ride, Mike? An armchair. :-)
Haven't ridden anything for over ten years and was advised never to drive again about eight years ago due to the possibility of my going to sleep. This did though explain how I came to wake up in St. Thomas's two years earlier with several broken ribs when the last I could remember was riding in rush hour, fortunately rather slowly, down Bayliss Road at the back of Waterloo. I apparently had fallen asleep although that was never realised at the time.
I rode a variety of bikes in the 60s and 70s but never anything fancy or big and certainly nothing to ever write home or brag about. :-(
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Shane - 29 Aug 2004 01:28 GMT > > What'd you ride, Mike? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Waterloo. I apparently had fallen asleep although that was never realised > at the time. So you're up all night these days because of the medication?
> I rode a variety of bikes in the 60s and 70s but never anything fancy or > big and certainly nothing to ever write home or brag about. :-( Half of 'em are probably Classics now (and a source of much nostalgia for me, I'm sure!).
Shane
Mike M - 29 Aug 2004 01:54 GMT Medication? What medication? The only medication that works is a CPAP. Constant Pressure Air Pump and mask when I do get to bed. :-)
I just loved it when I recently heard Billy Connolly, who was on Parkinson with Pamela Stephenson and also apparently suffers from sleep apnoea, describe it as being got up like a second world war pilot when going to bed.
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> So you're up all night these days because of the medication?
>> I rode a variety of bikes in the 60s and 70s but never anything >> fancy or big and certainly nothing to ever write home or brag about. >> :-(
> Half of 'em are probably Classics now (and a source of much nostalgia > for me, I'm sure!). Shane - 29 Aug 2004 11:24 GMT Right. I didn't appreciate sleep apnoea could lead to advice not to drive (other than when it would be obvious anyway, ie when you're very tired), so assumed this was narcolepsy.
I must admit I never had it that bad - and had forgotten about it since I don't suffer it anymore, fingers crossed. Or not knowingly (I wonder why I - apparently - don't suffer it anymore?). I do, however, and probably always will, have a little nugget of fear at the back of my mind of going to sleep, not because 'maybe I won't wake up again' - which maybe we all have by default - but because maybe I will wake up but in that manner.
Glad the pump works.
Shane
> Medication? What medication? The only medication that works is a CPAP. > Constant Pressure Air Pump and mask when I do get to bed. :-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Half of 'em are probably Classics now (and a source of much nostalgia > > for me, I'm sure!). Mike M - 29 Aug 2004 12:23 GMT > Right. I didn't appreciate sleep apnoea could lead to advice not to > drive (other than when it would be obvious anyway, ie when you're [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Glad the pump works. What used to happen to me was that I cat napped, usually for just a second or two and never knowingly. Apparently the moment I relaxed I was likely to pass out but only for a second or so. It became not only dangerous but also quite embarrassing and I know that quite unwittingly there were a couple of times that I let everyone know how boring a meeting was by snoring during those few seconds when I was comatose. :-)
The pump only helps in so much as it means that I get some real sleep whilst wearing the mask by keeping my airway open. Without the mask my airway collapses when I sleep and my heart will frequently stop. Fortunately until now my reflexes then kick me awake. According to the quacks I was getting no useful sleep with the body trying to grab what it could when it could regardless of what I might have been doing at the time.
I didn't realise that you had suffered from the same problem but it comes as no surprise as we are clearly both night birds. :-)
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Shane - 29 Aug 2004 15:32 GMT > What used to happen to me was that I cat napped, usually for just a second > or two and never knowingly. Apparently the moment I relaxed I was likely > to pass out but only for a second or so. It became not only dangerous but I worked as a bike courier for a couple of years and often nodded off on the motorway. What seems to happen when you do so on a bike is the arm drops while gripping the throttle, thus opening the throttle. Basically I didn't drink coffee before that job and became an addict through trying to stay awake. I never had an accident as a consequence but I think that only illustrates that motorways *are* the safest roads. I can't imagine nodding off in London traffic and *not* crashing. Possibly it never happened in London because that courier-style weaving through traffic at speed got so much adrenaline going that sleep would be impossible.
> also quite embarrassing and I know that quite unwittingly there were a > couple of times that I let everyone know how boring a meeting was by > snoring during those few seconds when I was comatose. :-) <vbg>
Shane
Mike M - 29 Aug 2004 16:11 GMT Shane,
I only recall nodding off once on a motorway (M4) back in the 60s when I was suddenly brought back to reality by the vibrations caused by the raised hatchings between a slip road that had just peeled off to my left and the motorway. I think that without the rude awakening I might happily have continued down the hard shoulder - which I seem to recall is where this sub-thread started. :) I agree that for those on two wheels motorways are probably about as safe as it comes.
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> I worked as a bike courier for a couple of years and often nodded off > on the motorway. What seems to happen when you do so on a bike is the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > <vbg> Richard G. Harper - 28 Aug 2004 14:17 GMT As Mike said, upgrading from WinMe to Win2K is not supported and may not work at all on some systems. I also would recommend upgrading to XP if your system will support it if you want to use games, multimedia and graphical programs. If all you need is Web, Email, word processing and such then either Windows 2000 or Windows XP should do.
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> My system is ME. One computer expert told me I should > upgrade to Windows 2000. Another computer expert suggests > I should upgrade to XP. I just have routine home use - no > movies, games, etc. Which system do you recommmend I > upgrade to ? cquirke (MVP Win9x) - 30 Aug 2004 21:12 GMT >My system is ME. One computer expert told me I should >upgrade to Windows 2000. Another computer expert suggests >I should upgrade to XP. I just have routine home use - no >movies, games, etc. Which system do you recommmend I >upgrade to ? Neither. New OS on old PC is usually a bad idea.
Next time some wise-a.s tells you to upgrade, say "sure, give me the bucks for the hardware it needs, as well as the legal copy of the OS of course, and I'll do just that, thanks".
OTOH, if you do get significant new PC hardware (such as a new mobo, etc.) then I'd get XP Home rather than re-using WinME.
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