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Attn,: Mike M.: PCHeath and the Implications of Disabling It.

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Ben B. - 08 Dec 2004 17:02 GMT
Hello Mike,

I quote the source argument for enabling PCHealth:

"I came across this thread today that I posted in almost 2
yrs ago. Davey7549 a Mod here is also a Windows ME user
and he states in Post #4 of the below link that PC Health
needs to a enabled in order for System Restore and (SFP)
to function correctly. Also he has a link in his post to a
Microsoft WebCast that deals with all the tools and
programs that are in Windows ME including the PC Health
tool. It's a good learning piece but is a bit long around
80 mins. You can skip over the parts you don't want to
listen too."

My view of PCHealth has long been that its disablement is  
not the source of problems with System Restore.

Here is the substance of the post referred to in the first
quote.

"System Restore, as System File Protect (SFP) are intergal
parts of PC Health and will not function properly if
PCHealth is turned off. System Restore will however create
Restore points in some cases and not remove them in a FIFO
fashion when its limit is reached if PCHealth is unchecked
in msconfig. If you show all hidden files through folder
options and then do a search for _restore you may find a
rather large file possiblly even exceeding your limits
placed on System restore in Control
Panel\System\Performance\File system.
To properly disable system restore you must uncheck it at
Control Panel\System\Performance\File
system\troubleshooting"

And Mike,

I can across this post of yours via Google search:

http://groups-
beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsme.general/br
owse_frm/thread/72c7be01f3bf722/baff80766971fa16?
tvc=1&q=PCHealth%
2Bpchschd.exe&scrollSave=&&d#baff80766971fa16

I have created a shorter link to that post:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2BD369F9

What is your current view of enabling or disabling
PCHealth?

Thank you, Mike.
Mike M - 08 Dec 2004 17:20 GMT
Ben,

Davey7549 clearly knew little or nothing about the subject on which he was
posting.

Win Me's System Restore and System File Protection are controlled by Win
Me's state manager which is launched when booting Win Me by the *StateMgr
entry in MSConfig | Startup.  The PCHealth entry in MSConfig | Startup and
the Task Scheduler has nothing that is nothing whatsoever to do with
either system restore or system file protection. What follows should help
explain the function of the PCHealth entry in MSConfig.  To date no useful
purpose has ever been found for the data collected.

PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection:
The PCHealth entry in MSConfig | Startup and also in the Task Scheduler,
refers to the PCHealth Scheduler for Data Collection routine (pchschd.exe)
which launches winmgmt.exe to collect software and hardware configuration
data that can be accessed using Help & Support's System Information's
History view. In other words it allows you to see changes over a period of
time to your system such as drivers.  The details collected are contained
in the files CollectedData???.xml files in the folder
..\windows\pchealth\helpctr\DataColl.

Note that all that pchschd.exe is doing every ten minutes is checking if
the system is idle or not. If idle it launches winmgmt.exe to collect the
information and sets itself to run again in 6 hours, if not it continues
to run at ten minute intervals until it finds the system is idle.

As to whether you need this historic data or not, only you can decide.  A
number of us have long since decided to disable pchschd.exe having no use
for the collected data.  It should be noted that if you contact MS or an
OEM for help that it is possible that they might request you send them
these files. If you do choose to disable pchschd.exe it is ESSENTIAL to
delete/disable it from both MSConfig | Startup and the Task Scheduler as
otherwise the startup entry will recreate the Task Scheduler entry when
the system is rebooted.

One advantage of disabling the PCHealth Scheduler is that it minimizes the
chances of winmgmt.exe causing problems.  What happens is that quite often
winmgmt.exe doesn't exit correctly when it has finished but instead
remains resident and using cpu cycles.

Note also that disabling these entries does NOT affect either System
Restore or System File Protect, nor AutoUpdate or your ability to use Help
& Support, all part of what Microsoft call "PCHealth".
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Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com

> Hello Mike,
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> Thank you, Mike.
Ben B - 08 Dec 2004 17:46 GMT
Hello Mike,

Superb. I am so grateful that you will take the time, as
you always do, to comprehensively share your knowledge.

What little I know has been learned here. The impetus to
keep learning, and it is still powerful in this 7O year-
old, is not diminishing.

Ben.

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>> http://groups-

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Mike M - 08 Dec 2004 18:09 GMT
Ben,

Glad to have been able to provide some information of help.

As for knowing little about computers I suspect you are kidding yourself a
little otherwise you wouldn't be asking the questions you are.  I find
newsgroups like this a valuable learning resource and like you have
learned much that I now know through the newsgroups.  What I also love
about the newsgroups is the wide range of both age and experience of those
posting both questions and answers.  I'm also retired but still not quite
60 so you have a good few years advantage over me with all the experience
and knowledge that goes with those years.

Cheers,
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Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com

> Hello Mike,
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> keep learning, and it is still powerful in this 7O year-
> old, is not diminishing.
Ben B - 08 Dec 2004 23:23 GMT
That is kind of you Mike, but I suspect my four years
experience with a computer is exceeded by your own! If
not, why then I envy you your capacity for learning.

All the best,

Ben.

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