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Delboy - 23 May 2005 11:28 GMT
Hi Good folks out there

Keep getting auto update for KB885492 (Security update for MP9).

Update seems to proceed without problems but a couple of days later auto
update downloads a fresh update. Belarc tells me the update verifies
correctly.

Any solutions out there? Seem to remember a thread on this subject but can't
track it down now.

TIA,

Delboy
Jack E Martinelli - 23 May 2005 15:14 GMT
Delboy,  you previously covered this ground with MVP Mike Maltby.
Why are you doing it here again?

http://www.windowsforumz.com/Multimedia-Patches-Media-Player-Win-ftopict357159.html

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> Hi Good folks out there
>
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>
> Delboy
Delboy - 23 May 2005 15:58 GMT
Beg your pardon Jack, I don't recall having posed this enquiry before.

If I have, humble apologies and please give me a link to the answer.

The link given in your reply seems to tell me where to get a download for
KB885492. This is not my problem. My problem is keep getting auto update
reminders for KB885492.

Delboy

> Delboy,  you previously covered this ground with MVP Mike Maltby.
> Why are you doing it here again?

http://www.windowsforumz.com/Multimedia-Patches-Media-Player-Win-ftopict357159.html

> > Hi Good folks out there
> >
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> >
> > Delboy
Jack E Martinelli - 23 May 2005 16:12 GMT
I think my first post has seemed harsher than I intended.  I wasn't
chastising you, but asking for more information.
I thought you had fixed this very problem before.
I didn't peruse the entire thread in the posted link, just enough to note
that you and Mike were conversing about what seemed to be the same issue.
I understand your current problem.  Seems to be an problem with the Win
Update installation history log.

Hopefully, Mike will notice this post and pop in with his remembered
comments about the issue.
He is far more knowledgeable about WMP 9 than me, who seldom uses it.

I apologize for appearing to suggest that you were posting inappropriately,
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> Beg your pardon Jack, I don't recall having posed this enquiry before.
>
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> > Delboy,  you previously covered this ground with MVP Mike Maltby.
> > Why are you doing it here again?

http://www.windowsforumz.com/Multimedia-Patches-Media-Player-Win-ftopict357159.html

> > > Hi Good folks out there
> > >
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> > >
> > > Delboy
Delboy - 23 May 2005 16:28 GMT
No problems Jack. Just goes to show how careful we must all be with no body
language to amplify our words.

Regards

Delboy

> I think my first post has seemed harsher than I intended.  I wasn't
> chastising you, but asking for more information.
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> > > Delboy,  you previously covered this ground with MVP Mike Maltby.
> > > Why are you doing it here again?

http://www.windowsforumz.com/Multimedia-Patches-Media-Player-Win-ftopict357159.html

> > > > Hi Good folks out there
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Delboy
Jack E Martinelli - 24 May 2005 20:52 GMT
May I say, you are most perceptive.  You have taken my usual words right out
of my mouth.

And I hope Mike responds soon.  He is often very busy, so be patient.
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> No problems Jack. Just goes to show how careful we must all be with no body
> language to amplify our words.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> >
> > I apologize for appearing to suggest that you were posting
inappropriately,
> > > Beg your pardon Jack, I don't recall having posed this enquiry before.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > > > Delboy,  you previously covered this ground with MVP Mike Maltby.
> > > > Why are you doing it here again?

<SNIP>
Delboy - 24 May 2005 21:23 GMT
Jack & Mike

Hopefully I have solved my problem.

I followed Mike's concise instructions to another poster having a similar
problem with KB828026. I rubbed two grey cells together and reasoned the
cure could be the same.

Anyway seems to be ok at the moment as KB885492 does not show as a required
update on the WU site.

May we consider this thread closed? If I have any further problems re this;
I will repost. Maybe this will teach me to take my blinkers off and look
beyond the bare subject.

Regards to all

Delboy

> May I say, you are most perceptive.  You have taken my usual words right out
> of my mouth.
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>
> <SNIP>
Mike M - 24 May 2005 23:18 GMT
Sorry to have missed all the fun and glad to read that you've managed to
solve the problem.  Seems to me that lots of users have problems with that
particular update.

So once again my apologies for not being here when needed but have been
having a bit of a fraught time myself at the moment.

Cheers.
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> Jack & Mike
>
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>
> Regards to all
Delboy - 25 May 2005 07:41 GMT
No worries Mike; I'm sure you had better things to do ;-)

Delboy

> Sorry to have missed all the fun and glad to read that you've managed to
> solve the problem.  Seems to me that lots of users have problems with that
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> >
> > Regards to all
Jack E Martinelli - 25 May 2005 15:18 GMT
Congrats, Delboy, and I'm happy you have met Mike here.
He is one of our very best commenters.

Sympathies to you, Mike, while groping toward a solution.  Ain't computers
fun!
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> No worries Mike; I'm sure you had better things to do ;-)
>
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> > >
> > > Regards to all
Shane - 25 May 2005 15:32 GMT
Parlez vous de la mange toute avec la fenetre, if Delboy's in Peckham, Jack.

Shane

> Congrats, Delboy, and I'm happy you have met Mike here.
> He is one of our very best commenters.
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>> > >
>> > > Regards to all
Jack E Martinelli - 25 May 2005 16:36 GMT
Way over my head, Shane.
I'm just an ignorant American.
Is your Peckham a pub or a prison?

??? http://www.peckhams.co.uk/
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> Parlez vous de la mange toute avec la fenetre, if Delboy's in Peckham, Jack.
>
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> >> > >
> >> > > Regards to all
Mike M - 25 May 2005 17:04 GMT
Jack,

You need to know some Brit TV.  David Jason plays the streetwise "Delboy"
in the much repeated comedy Only Fools and Horses
(http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0081912/) and lives in a high rise block in
Peckham south London about 1½ miles from where I live.
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> Way over my head, Shane.
> I'm just an ignorant American.
> Is your Peckham a pub or a prison?
Shane - 25 May 2005 17:19 GMT
Mine's the village in S. London, Jack.

Shane

> Way over my head, Shane.
> I'm just an ignorant American.
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>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards to all
Delboy - 25 May 2005 18:05 GMT
Mine's Egham aka Runneymede, the home of Magna Carta (sealed in 1215 -
that's positively Stone Age Jack :-D) the foundation of UK & USA Justice
Systems.

A little bit of US soil lies here under the JFK Memorial and the American
Bar a.s. Magna Carta Memorial.

BTW a.s. stands for Association not the a.s Charles Dickens claimed the law
was. ;-)

If anyone's interested -
http://www.runnymede.gov.uk/leisure/history/magnasite/magpages/americanbar2.htm
&
http://www.egham.co.uk/info/jfk.html

Delboy

> Mine's the village in S. London, Jack.
>
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> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Regards to all
Shane - 25 May 2005 19:44 GMT
Egham, been through it at least a hundred times. Riding a bike I prefer the
A30 to the M3. Haven't stopped much, but I did go to the Runneymede Hotel
once to play football in the mid-seventies. We drew. We'd been promised a
keg of beer if we won and it still galls me when I pass it, as we got sod
all.

Shane

> Mine's Egham aka Runneymede, the home of Magna Carta (sealed in 1215 -
> that's positively Stone Age Jack :-D) the foundation of UK & USA Justice
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>
> If anyone's interested -

http://www.runnymede.gov.uk/leisure/history/magnasite/magpages/americanbar2.htm
> &
> http://www.egham.co.uk/info/jfk.html
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> > > computers
> > >> > fun!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
> > >> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > >> > ------
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> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Regards to all
Jack E Martinelli - 26 May 2005 00:57 GMT
All of this is a completely new education to me.  I am a great fan of many
Brit TV productions, which are usually head and shoulders above the usual
trash produced here -- Ken Burns excepted.
I think I own every DVD released of Suchet's Poirot, released by Acorn Media
in the US.  Similarly for LeCarre's works.  One of my very favorite is the
House of Cards trilogy, starring Ian Richardson.  Ditto for "Foyle's War"
and "Cadfael".  And "Heat of the Sun".
And a recent purchase I greatly like is the first collection of MI-5.  Very
good acting.

I see Amazon has two hits for your "Only Fools and Horses", DVD collections
of several seasons' shows.  I'll consider it soon, though I am not a great
comedy fan, esp. slapstick.  I did like the Jeeves and Wooster series.

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> Egham, been through it at least a hundred times. Riding a bike I prefer the
> A30 to the M3. Haven't stopped much, but I did go to the Runneymede Hotel
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> >
> > If anyone's interested -

http://www.runnymede.gov.uk/leisure/history/magnasite/magpages/americanbar2.htm
> > &
> > http://www.egham.co.uk/info/jfk.html
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> > > >
> > > > ??? http://www.peckhams.co.uk/
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
> > > > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > > > ------
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> > > >>
> > > >> Shane

<SNIP>
Mike M - 26 May 2005 02:16 GMT
Incidentally Jack we know MI-5 as Spooks, the name being changed for some
reason for n.American consumption.  Other recent series you might want to
look out for include Hustle, 55 Degrees North (known in n.America as The
Night Detective), New Tricks and Murphy's Law.  Others to look out for
include Waking The Dead and perhaps Silent Witness and Inspector Lyndley.
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> All of this is a completely new education to me.  I am a great fan of
> many Brit TV productions, which are usually head and shoulders above
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I am not a great comedy fan, esp. slapstick.  I did like the Jeeves
> and Wooster series.
Rick T - 26 May 2005 02:58 GMT
> Incidentally Jack we know MI-5 as Spooks, the name being changed for
> some reason for n.American consumption.  

"spook" is NA slang for spy also... but it's also slang for negro; that
mighta been it, but I think the name was changed 'cuz everybody's heard
of "MI-5".

Rick

> Other recent series you might
> want to look out for include Hustle, 55 Degrees North (known in
> n.America as The Night Detective), New Tricks and Murphy's Law.  Others
> to look out for include Waking The Dead and perhaps Silent Witness and
> Inspector Lyndley.
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 11:55 GMT
I enjoyed Silent Witness and Waking the dead, I remember when Trevor Eve
played Eddie Shoestring <g> I don't seem to see the others as I'm usually
stuck on here the time they run <g>
I really will have to get a life <g>
Joan

> Incidentally Jack we know MI-5 as Spooks, the name being changed for
> some reason for n.American consumption.  Other recent series you
> might want to look out for include Hustle, 55 Degrees North (known in
> n.America as The Night Detective), New Tricks and Murphy's Law. Others
> to look out for include Waking The Dead and perhaps Silent
> Witness and Inspector Lyndley.
Jack E Martinelli - 26 May 2005 14:45 GMT
Txs, Mike and all.

Everyone of these is unknown to me, excepting Insp. Lyndley, which is being
shown on PBS TV nationwide just now.
While it is good, it is a little less interesting and of lower production
quality than others, IMO.
Recently, I acquired the old "Tommy & Tuppence" Agatha Christie series,
along with the sequel, "Why Didn't They Ask Evans?".
Great fun!.  My wife and I just adore the old castles, small towns, and
countrysides, along with the old autos and carriages.
The Poirot mysteries are similar.
It's also a pleasure to see something where intelligent conversation hasn't
been replaced with violent action sequences.
I mean Tarantino is interesting, but somewhat over the top for me.  Rather
like "The Usual Suspects", another great mystery!

Alex once gave me a copy of Ruth Rendell's mysteries, during a summit visit.
I since have seen her "Road Rage" and "Semisola" movies.
Both are very good.

I thought Trevor Eve was just excellent in "Heat of the Sun", as well as his
colleagues. Good writing, well acted.
I would love to see something equally well done by him.

OTH, the quintessential British comedy to me is the 1943 "On Approval".
More than half of it is utterly alien to me, living as I do on this side of
the pond!  I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
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> Incidentally Jack we know MI-5 as Spooks, the name being changed for some
> reason for n.American consumption.  Other recent series you might want to
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> > I am not a great comedy fan, esp. slapstick.  I did like the Jeeves
> > and Wooster series.
Mart - 26 May 2005 15:11 GMT
Jack asked :-

> ....  do any of you understand Shane?

Jack, Shane is probably one of the most misunderstood contributors to these
News Groups, but I don't have any problems with his contributions <g>

Keep 'em coming Shane!!

Mart
Jack E Martinelli - 26 May 2005 16:49 GMT
You and Joan have taken the words right out of my mouth!
It's encouraging to see that I am not the only one who sometimes reads him
and thinks I forgot to take my medication this morning ...
I mean I can only read English ... sorta' ... I think.
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> Jack asked :-
>
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>
> Mart
Mart - 26 May 2005 18:57 GMT
Don't worry too much Jack, it's probably genetic or even a race thing - and
I'm not saying whose, Shane's or the reader's, I'm sure the lad himself will
be along soon to enlighten us - in his own inimitable way. You don't have to
be mad to live on this side of the pond Jack, but it sure helps <g>

Mart

> You and Joan have taken the words right out of my mouth!
> It's encouraging to see that I am not the only one who sometimes reads him
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>>
>> Mart
Shane - 27 May 2005 10:46 GMT
Mart,

Just for that I'll root for PNE rather than the Hammers.

Shane

> Jack asked :-
>
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>
> Mart
Mart - 27 May 2005 12:17 GMT
Shane, as ever, you're talking my lingo. No misunderstandings there, Buddy -
at least not for me <g> L'pool is all very well, but ...

Mart - born Scouse, but emigrated(ish)

> Mart,
>
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>>
>> Mart
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 15:22 GMT
ROFL
Half the time no but we love him just the same and would miss him if he
stopped coming here. <g>
Joan

I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Noel Paton - 26 May 2005 19:59 GMT
I understand him totally - when the medication takes effect at this end<g>

More seriously, Shane has an incredible store of practical experience,
garnered by dint of numerous sleepless nights (I suspect caused by
ineffective analgesia) - and a seriously <silly> sense of humour (note the
spelling!!) which appeals to the more anarchic  side of my personality (and
he also amuses the heck out of me)

Having spoken to him over the phone once (or is it twice? - I have
alcohol-inhibited memories of one evening....), I can attest that the man is
as daft as the brush he appears here - and even more generous.

Do I agree with him? - almost never! (it's more fun that way - even if he is
right 95% of the time<g>). Do I respect him? Always! One of these days, I
will get to exchange beverages as well as words, and we'll see what
happens.......

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> ROFL
> Half the time no but we love him just the same and would miss him if he
> stopped coming here. <g>
> Joan
>
> I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 21:02 GMT
ROFL
Oh my god watch out world <g>
Joan

One of
> these days, I will get to exchange beverages as well as words, and
> we'll see what happens.......
Shane - 27 May 2005 10:46 GMT
You're too kind, Noel, though clearly thinking of someone else. You can
write my obituary though!

Shane

> I understand him totally - when the medication takes effect at this end<g>
>
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> >
> > I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Jack E Martinelli - 27 May 2005 14:52 GMT
It's clear to me that while I often understand Shane, and Mart, as well as I
might someone born in a galaxy far, far away a  very long time ago ...
they really belong here, like some one bound to our hips, if not always our
heads or our hearts.
It's a nice feeling to me over here.

A diversity of unusual experience can be very useful, as anyone who knows of
C. Quirke or Richard Harper can attest.
Particularly, when all are willing to share.
So, I think we are lucky to know each other even if it is via this rather
primitive "letters on a blank screen" method.
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> You're too kind, Noel, though clearly thinking of someone else. You can
> write my obituary though!
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> > >
> > > I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Shane - 27 May 2005 15:56 GMT
Tharg, Jack. Tharg and njarl.

Shane

> It's clear to me that while I often understand Shane, and Mart, as well as I
> might someone born in a galaxy far, far away a  very long time ago ...
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> > > >
> > > > I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Shane - 27 May 2005 10:45 GMT
Thank you Joan, I always suspected you were doolally.

Shane

> ROFL
> Half the time no but we love him just the same and would miss him if he
> stopped coming here. <g>
> Joan
>
>  I mean, do any of you understand Shane?
Joan Archer - 27 May 2005 11:52 GMT
ROFL
John would agree with you there <g>
Joan

> Thank you Joan, I always suspected you were doolally.
>
> Shane
Shane - 27 May 2005 10:46 GMT
> the pond!  I mean, do any of you understand Shane?

I've spent much of my life trying and I can't say that I do!

Shane
Shane - 26 May 2005 03:14 GMT
> All of this is a completely new education to me.  I am a great fan of many
> Brit TV productions, which are usually head and shoulders above the usual
> trash produced here -- Ken Burns excepted.

Unfortunately, when everything has to make a profit, the lowest common
denominator prevails. Big Brother starts again this coming Friday. The guy
who built the Embankment must be spinning so fast he could dig Crossrail all
by himself!

Shane
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 11:50 GMT
Some good programs you have there Jack, I agree about House of Cards I
think Ian Richardson really made that good to watch. My daughter thinks
that Suchet is the only one to play Poirot <g>
Joan

> All of this is a completely new education to me.  I am a great fan of
> many Brit TV productions, which are usually head and shoulders above
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I am not a great comedy fan, esp. slapstick.  I did like the Jeeves
> and Wooster series.
Heather - 25 May 2005 18:50 GMT
HUH??  Translation......"do you speak of the eat all with the window"???  I
am sure there is some sense somewhere in that.....but OTOH, our Shane wrote
it....LOL.

Figgs

> Parlez vous de la mange toute avec la fenetre, if Delboy's in Peckham, Jack.
>
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> >> > >
> >> > > Regards to all
Shane - 25 May 2005 19:40 GMT
The character is a street-market trader Yuppie-wannabe who thinks he can
speak French, but that's the kind of drivel he comes out with.

It's a shame Only Fools and Horses has been repeated so often, as it's a
very funny, very well written and acted show, a British classic - but
honestly, they flog it to death.

Shane

> HUH??  Translation......"do you speak of the eat all with the window"???  I
> am sure there is some sense somewhere in that.....but OTOH, our Shane wrote
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> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards to all
Joan Archer - 25 May 2005 20:19 GMT
<lol> Usually when they can't find anything of any use to put on <g> A
while back on Sky we where watching some of the "Open all Hours" episodes,
when you think how long DJ has been on our screens and he's still worth
watching.
Joan

> The character is a street-market trader Yuppie-wannabe who thinks he
> can speak French, but that's the kind of drivel he comes out with.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Shane
Shane - 25 May 2005 22:02 GMT
I first saw him when I was at school, in The Secret Life of Edgar Briggs.
The funniest moment I remember from it is when the 'M' character says "I owe
you an apology, Briggs!" and Jason replies "I didn't know I'd lent you one
sir!". That's how crappy it was. About on a par with Robin Williams starting
out as Mork.

Shane

> <lol> Usually when they can't find anything of any use to put on <g> A
> while back on Sky we where watching some of the "Open all Hours" episodes,
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> >
> > Shane
Shane - 26 May 2005 02:55 GMT
> <lol> Usually when they can't find anything of any use to put on <g> A
> while back on Sky we where watching some of the "Open all Hours" episodes,
> when you think how long DJ has been on our screens and he's still worth
> watching.

He almost looks as old now as he was made up to look as Blanco, in Porridge,
in the seventies. The one where Fletcher notes that Muffin the Mule is an
offence.

It was a revelation to me that he could play a detective, in Frost.
Mike M - 26 May 2005 07:58 GMT
Did you see Frost as Skullion in Tom Sharpe's Porterhouse Blue?  He was
also pretty good I thought in the recent Diamond Geezer (play on ITV).
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> He almost looks as old now as he was made up to look as Blanco, in
> Porridge, in the seventies. The one where Fletcher notes that Muffin
> the Mule is an offence.
>
> It was a revelation to me that he could play a detective, in Frost.
Shane - 26 May 2005 10:01 GMT
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that. And frankly, he was a little sinister as
Skullion. Didn't see Diamond Geezer, though. Funny you should mention that -
a play, on ITV? Even on BBC it seems a bit far fetched these days. I was
going to mention the days of Rumpole, of Play for Today. Even as a kid some
of that stuff knocked me out, I felt lifted onto a higher plane having seen
them.

I don't recall seeing the one that introduced Rumpole - until about three
years ago. It was as if being from the tail-end of the day of the Kitchen
Sink Drama, the parties involved displayed an honesty, approached their work
with an integrity rarely seen before or since. Now, like with Oliver Sachs'
patients, the l-Dopa no longer works.

Shane

> Did you see Frost as Skullion in Tom Sharpe's Porterhouse Blue?  He was
> also pretty good I thought in the recent Diamond Geezer (play on ITV).
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> > It was a revelation to me that he could play a detective, in Frost.
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 12:03 GMT
Rumpole was good I used to watch that, "Her who must be obeyed" <g>
Joan

> Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that. And frankly, he was a little sinister as
> Skullion. Didn't see Diamond Geezer, though. Funny you should mention
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> Shane
Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 12:00 GMT
I'm sure I watched that but can't remember, only the bit about the blown
up condoms floating out the chimneys. I didn't manage to see him in the
Diamond Geezer but I expect it was good, I don't think he can play a bad
part.
Joan

> Did you see Frost as Skullion in Tom Sharpe's Porterhouse Blue?  He
> was also pretty good I thought in the recent Diamond Geezer (play on
> ITV).
Shane - 26 May 2005 12:14 GMT
I hated Darling Buds. But Jason is one of our major talents, no doubt about
it. As was Leo McKern, of course. And Ronnie Barker. I've never seen James
Bolam in dross, either. Helps to have great writers.

Shane

> I'm sure I watched that but can't remember, only the bit about the blown
> up condoms floating out the chimneys. I didn't manage to see him in the
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Joan Archer - 26 May 2005 11:56 GMT
<lol> He was good in the part though wasn't he.
Joan

> It was a revelation to me that he could play a detective, in Frost.
canna - 26 May 2005 12:24 GMT
Lovely Jubely.

> <lol> He was good in the part though wasn't he.
> Joan
>
> > It was a revelation to me that he could play a detective, in Frost.
Heather - 25 May 2005 20:38 GMT
What Ron and I couldn't get over was how *racy* British TV is......you would
never get away with that stuff over here or in the US.  But somehow with a
British accent, it doesn't sound so bad.  We were in absolute stitches
watching some of the programs while in London.  Perhaps that was Sky??  A
whole lot of bleeping going on.  (a line from a song, sort of....except I
can't remember which one.  Probably Elvis)

Heather

> The character is a street-market trader Yuppie-wannabe who thinks he can
> speak French, but that's the kind of drivel he comes out with.
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Joan Archer - 25 May 2005 21:33 GMT
<lol> That would probably be before 9 o'clock, don't usually get it after
they assume all the kiddies are in bed <g>
Joan

 A whole lot of bleeping going on.

> Heather
Shane - 25 May 2005 22:48 GMT
I beg to differ, Figgs! Though not much. HBO is every bit as adult as our
grown-up TV. Of course - as I understand it - they get away with it because
it's cable. Actually The Simpsons is also every bit as racy as anything we
make, just without being explicitly so. And South Park, of course. Amazing
how many grown-ups think those two are for kids!

> What Ron and I couldn't get over was how *racy* British TV is......you would
> never get away with that stuff over here or in the US.  But somehow with a
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Heather - 26 May 2005 22:32 GMT
BUT.....we don't get HBO up here in the Great White North.....and I have
never watched the Simpsons (yuck) or South Park or the Sopranos, altho we
can get all of the above via other stations.  I suppose if I paid big bucks
to my TV connection people, I could get it, but I rarely watch TV anyway.

Cheers....Figgs

> I beg to differ, Figgs! Though not much. HBO is every bit as adult as our
> grown-up TV. Of course - as I understand it - they get away with it because
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Shane - 27 May 2005 14:47 GMT
The Sopranos goes through periods of soapiness, to epiphanies, moments of
horrifying clarity, a brutally honest representation of what goes on in the
real world that almost everyone is so loathe to confront that they repress
the very idea of it. In that sense it's probably the best drama being made
today. In the same way that Julius Caesar is one of the greatest movies of
all time.

The Simpsons is widely considered the most well written comedy series ever.
The fact it's written by committee does not lessen the wonder at the
astonishing inventiveness. Or unembiggen the astonishment at the wonderful
inventivity.

South Park is hilariously audacious and is basically a vehicle for attacking
the prudery and hypocrisy of Western Society. Again, with that remit it
probably succeeds better than any other show ever has. How about when the US
Administration learns that Saddam is dead, so launches an attack on Heaven
in the belief that he's got WMD up there?

Many folk shun these shows, for violence, for being cartoons, for 'foul
language'. But they're the real art made by the real talent, amidst a sea of
gutless insincerity and dross.

Shane

> BUT.....we don't get HBO up here in the Great White North.....and I have
> never watched the Simpsons (yuck) or South Park or the Sopranos, altho we
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