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Windows Forum / Windows Me / System Tools / November 2005System Restore
Hi again. PLEASE Help. Tried everything as far as I can see. Can't access system restore. Do you know of another program that will do the same? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;274092 Can't get beyond this message just a LOOP. Followed the instructions on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to lose. Are you saying that you have both checked that a wininit.ini file is not being created each time your PC boots and have also run scanreg /fix and that you cannot find a copy of a file named wininit.ini in the windows folder and that scanreg /fix didn't fix the problem? If so then I suspect you are out of luck as one or other of these two fixes have until now managed to solve this particular problem for most if not all who have posted about seeing the message "System Restore cannot run until you restart the computer. Please restart the computer, and then run System Restore again." when attempting to use system restore.  SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi again. PLEASE Help. Tried everything as far as I can see. Can't > access system restore. Do you know of another program that will do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't > want to lose. >Are you saying that you have both checked that a wininit.ini file is not >being created each time your PC boots and have also run scanreg /fix and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't >> want to lose. Hi Mi ke tried both. Only think of next is to purchase a stand alone program, rather than reinstall. Any suggestions? Hi Mike. Don't know if you are still monitoring this narrowed the problem down to WININIT.BAK (91 bytes). Apparantly this is a configuration program. When I disable this program System restore works O.K. untill I shutdown and restart then back to the same old problem. I've even in desparation tried deleting this program in safe mode. Next morning when booting up, same old same old. I've searched everywhere to find out what a BAK file is? Any ideas please. >Are you saying that you have both checked that a wininit.ini file is not >being created each time your PC boots and have also run scanreg /fix and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't >> want to lose. Your problem is not WININIT.BAK - but something on your system is generating a new WININIT.INI, possibly on shutdown. This immediately brings to mind either 1) 'Disk-Cleaning' software or 2) Malware! please post the contents of the WININIT.BAK file (which is generated when the WININIT.INI file is run at boot time, and is the backup copy created then) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Mike. Don't know if you are still monitoring this narrowed the problem > down to WININIT.BAK (91 bytes). Apparantly this is a configuration [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't >>> want to lose. Hi Noel, Hi Mike. First thanks for being SO patient with me. First Noel Disk cleaning software - I run Windows Disk Cleanup. Also Scandisk on a regular basis. As for Maleware - a program known as a-squared. Other protection on PC AVG.Free edition Zone Alarm Spybot S&D SpywareBlaster All have been run today - Nothing identified. Notepad text copy [Rename] NUL=C:\WINDOWS\TEMPOR~1\CONTENT.IE5\INDEX.DAT NUL=C:\WINDOWS\COOKIES\INDEX.DAT Opened the computer today in normal mode. On search 2 files found,WININIT and WinInit.ini Re booted the system in Safe Mode on search 2 files again WININIT and WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft Resolution suggests. >Your problem is not WININIT.BAK - but something on your system is generating >a new WININIT.INI, possibly on shutdown. This immediately brings to mind [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> on this link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't >>>> want to lose. Your diskcleanup software is creating a wininit.ini file each time you launch your system and this is preventing the creation of automatic system restore checkpoints which is what I suggested was happening in my earlier posts. The copy of wininit.bak you have posted tells us that this software is clearing down the index files in your Temporary Internet Files and Cookies folders each time that you boot your PC as these two files cannot be deleted once Win Me is running. You have now to make a decision. Either let system restore do its job and only clear down the index.dat files once in a blue moon (incidentally I never bother deleting these files) or forget about system restore and carry on as you are at present. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Noel, Hi Mike. > First thanks for being SO patient with me.> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft > Resolution suggests. (what he said!<g>) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Your diskcleanup software is creating a wininit.ini file each time you > launch your system and this is preventing the creation of automatic system [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >> Resolution suggests. Mike, Noel Many many thanks for your help and perseverance. I've checked system restore today and it retained the manual restore point I created yesterday. So I've decided twice a week and before any download to create a manual RP so that in the event of a problem I'll have a starting point to refer to. Sorry for not understanding what you suggested in earlier posts. Kindest regards. Hobbit (Adrian). >Your diskcleanup software is creating a wininit.ini file each time you >launch your system and this is preventing the creation of automatic system [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >> Resolution suggests. Personally, I'd have gone for the automatic Restore points - but Que Sera, and all that! Good Luck - you may need it. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Mike, Noel Many many thanks for your help and perseverance. I've checked > system restore today and it retained the manual restore point I created [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >>> Resolution suggests. O.K. Noel I'm convinced. Tell me what to do, delete,etc Sys Rest is important to me hence the perserverance!!!!! Is it Microsoft Disk Cleanup I need to disable? As you've gathered from previous posts I'm certainly NO expert. Although I must say the two have run side by side previously with no problem. >Personally, I'd have gone for the automatic Restore points - but Que Sera, >and all that! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >>>> Resolution suggests. Somewhere you have created a setting that is deleting the TIF and Cookie files on startup... Disk Cleanup is a good bet - although it doesn't have a setting that specifically deletes cookies, and as far as I can see, it doesn't use wininit.ini.when enabled by the Scheduled Tasks manager. My suggestion is that you go to Scheduled Tasks, and look at the tasks there. One (or more) will almost certainly have the Schedule set to 'At System Startup' - check that one for its settings, and see whether it's relevant, You should then be able to make adjustments either to the program settings, or the Task Scheduler settings (perhaps using 'On Logon' would do the trick?) The next place to check would be the Startup folder in the Programs menu - what is listed there? Also - MSCONFIG, what's listed there in Startup? (This includes the Startup folder info above, BTW) Are you running Norton?? It could even be a setting in NAV/NIS - I wouldn't know, since I haven't installed NAV in any system since 2000, and I regularly and routinely uninstall it from any of my clients' machines I find it on. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > O.K. Noel I'm convinced. Tell me what to do, delete,etc Sys Rest is > important [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>>> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >>>>> Resolution suggests. Hi Noel Here lies a man totally defeated he can go no further. Dont't run Norton. Been to Msconfig re start up. Scheduled tasks Hewlett pac - Printer PC Health Tune up application start Web Reg I'm Finnished, Can't do any more. Defeated. Will start looking at new XP. Many many many Thanks Ade. >Somewhere you have created a setting that is deleting the TIF and Cookie >files on startup... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>>>> WinInit. BAK. Wininit.ini not there so cannot rename as Microsoft >>>>>> Resolution suggests. > Will start looking at new XP. Out of curiosity why do you think that changing operating systems is necessarily going to change anything? Rather than listing what you have under Scheduled Tasks what about what you have added to the regular start-up axis in the way of tools and utilities? You can check this using MSConfig and check what you have "checked" on the Startup tab - you say you have done this but don't mention what you found there. Does A Squared or one of your other installed tools have a setting to clear the cookies and/or Temporary Internet Files folder? SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Noel Here lies a man totally defeated he can go no further. > Dont't run Norton. Been to Msconfig re start up. Scheduled tasks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm Finnished, Can't do any more. Defeated. Will start looking at new > XP. Many many many Thanks Ade. Hi Mike. Checked everything A Squared and all other progs at start up,none delete cookies nor Temp Int Files. Will stick with manual restore points. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, fortunate enough to have been on holiday. May I take this opportunity to thank both you and Noel for your help and patience. (sticking with Windows Me) >> Will start looking at new XP. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> I'm Finnished, Can't do any more. Defeated. Will start looking at new >> XP. Many many many Thanks Ade. Do you have TweakUI installed?? check the Paranoia settings.... (otherwise I'm out of ideas....) Good Luck! SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Mike. Checked everything A Squared and all other progs at start up,none > delete cookies nor Temp Int Files. Will stick with manual restore points. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> I'm Finnished, Can't do any more. Defeated. Will start looking at new >>> XP. Many many many Thanks Ade. Out of curiosity what are the applications (other than those that are part of Win Me) that are being launched when you boot your system though entries in MSConfig | Startup? SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike. Checked everything A Squared and all other progs at start > up,none delete cookies nor Temp Int Files. Will stick with manual > restore points. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, fortunate > enough to have been on holiday. May I take this opportunity to thank > both you and Noel for your help and patience. (sticking with Windows > Me) PS You might want to see the effect of uninstalling the KB896688 hotfix using the "Internet Explorer Q896688" entry in Add/Remove Programs. Note though that if you do this you will have restored Internet Explorer's vulnerability to certain exploits. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Out of curiosity what are the applications (other than those that are > part of Win Me) that are being launched when you boot your system > though entries in MSConfig | Startup? Noel, Mike FOUND THE CULPRIT. A prog I though I had deleted many moons ago. CCleaner!!!!!!!! Part of this program I seem to recall deleted cookies and Temp Int files. Removed all traces of this today and everything would seem to be back to normal. Time will only tell. What I can't understand is the PARTIAL installation of this prog took place say 12 months back and untill recently everything worked O.K. Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. >Out of curiosity what are the applications (other than those that are part >of Win Me) that are being launched when you boot your system though [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> both you and Noel for your help and patience. (sticking with Windows >> Me) That's good news, Hobbit!! - good piece of detective-work! Thanks for letting us know - I for one was not aware that Ccleaner came with that option. Good Luck SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Noel, Mike FOUND THE CULPRIT. A prog I though I had deleted many moons > ago. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> both you and Noel for your help and patience. (sticking with Windows >>> Me) I'm glad you have found the culprit. CCleaner is well known to prevent the creation of automatic system restore checkpoints where it is configured to clean the Temporary Internet Files each time the system boots. It would appear that this feature was enabled even though the installation of ccleaner was incomplete. BTW CCleaner is one of Noel's favourite programs. <g> It recently caused him major problems in another area. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Noel, Mike FOUND THE CULPRIT. A prog I though I had deleted many > moons ago. CCleaner!!!!!!!! Part of this program I seem to recall [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items > previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Can't thank both of you enough for your help and support. >I'm glad you have found the culprit. CCleaner is well known to prevent >the creation of automatic system restore checkpoints where it is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Surprisingly, despite that little problem of mine, I do still think it's a good program - but not one for the tyro! SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > I'm glad you have found the culprit. CCleaner is well known to prevent > the creation of automatic system restore checkpoints where it is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Hi Noel. Whilst I was running CCleaner I found it a very useful tool. However it must have caused a problem for me to uninstall ( don't recollect what). I've found another prog which would seem to have similar attributes and wondered whether or not you had come accross it before. Read the description and my only concern is it does mention system reg. Your opinion would be greatfully received.Link as follows:- http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm Regards Hobbit >Surprisingly, despite that little problem of mine, I do still think it's a >good program - but not one for the tyro! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. ToniArts eCleaner is a well-known member of the breed - better than some, and worse than others. I've never used it, so can't really comment - except that Toni has apparently fixed the problem that it used to have with ME (removing a vital registry entry for the Help&Support system!!) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Noel. Whilst I was running CCleaner I found it a very useful tool. > However [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Hi Noel thanks for getting back to me. Problem? Windows Me? NOT for me. You say better than some, and worse than others. Apart from your fav CCleaner and other similar progs I can check out? Regards. >ToniArts eCleaner is a well-known member of the breed - better than some, >and worse than others. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. There is only one safe registry cleaner - knowledge! No automatic cleaner can fully cope with the variety of programs and resultant entries involved. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Noel thanks for getting back to me. Problem? Windows Me? NOT for me. > You [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Hi Noel, I know, I know, I know. Each problem ecountered should be viewed as an opportunity to advance ones knowledge. However when your in the middle of something when you encounter that opportunity its no longer looked upon as an opportunity but a pain in the AR"E. Over.................. and out. Thanks Hobbit (Adrian) >There is only one safe registry cleaner - knowledge! >No automatic cleaner can fully cope with the variety of programs and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>>>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>>>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. <chuckle> You sound like you've worked for the same guy as me! "It's not a problem, it's an opportunity!" Good Luck - may your opportunities be small <g> SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Noel, I know, I know, I know. Each problem ecountered should be viewed > as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>>>>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>>>>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. Cheers, have a good weekend. ><chuckle> >You sound like you've worked for the same guy as me! "It's not a problem, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>>>>>>> Whats even more perplexing is that when I checked start up items >>>>>>>>> previously (msconfig) this program did not appear on the list. As Noel has already stated that you have a wininit.bak file suggests that you had a wininit.ini file present when you last booted. Once processed the file wininit.ini is renamed wininit.bak. Check 1). Delete wininit.bak, reboot, check whether a new wininit.bak file has been created, if yes, then 2) Open wininit.bak with notepad and copy the text in the file and paste a copy of the text into a reply to this message. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike. Don't know if you are still monitoring this narrowed the > problem down to WININIT.BAK (91 bytes). Apparantly this is a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mode. Next morning when booting up, same old same old. I've searched > everywhere to find out what a BAK file is? Any ideas please. DESPARATE !!! My roommate's PC totally crashed. So went to the system restore screens and picked the restore back to 20 hrs ago option (only option). Then hit okay, it went back to the initial boot screen and now it is stuck with the little green boxes marching across the windows flag logo, etc. -- just in an endless loop mode going nowhere. He can't even get on the system. What to do now???? MANY MANY THANKS--NEVER USED THIS FORUM BEFORE. > Hi again. PLEASE Help. Tried everything as far as I can see. Can't access > system restore. Do you know of another program that will do the same? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Can't get beyond this message just a LOOP. Followed the instructions on this > link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to lose. From your description, you're in the wrong forum - you would appear to be using Windows XP Home edition (and more likely RTM or SP1 than SP2) Whatever, try booting to Safe Mode - see if that works any better - to do that, hold down the CTRL key during the (b/w) POST process, and you should get a menu up - Safe Mode is the first option. report back with the result - if Safe Mode works, then try booting back to Normal Mode afterwards, and let us know what happens then. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > DESPARATE !!! My roommate's PC totally crashed. So went to the system > restore screens and picked the restore back to 20 hrs ago option (only [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> this >> link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to lose. Merci Mr. N -- seem to often be in the wrong place at the wrong time :) will try the safe mode reboot and report back, many thanks again Mis Peggy > From your description, you're in the wrong forum - you would appear to be > using Windows XP Home edition (and more likely RTM or SP1 than SP2) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >> this > >> link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to lose. Noel -- rebooted, the screen with the MS Win flags and green box "working" bar is as far as I got -- stuck there with the green boxes flashing across. Thatnks Miss Peggy > From your description, you're in the wrong forum - you would appear to be > using Windows XP Home edition (and more likely RTM or SP1 than SP2) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >> this > >> link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to lose. OK, you rebooted - but NOT to Safe Mode ('cos there's no Splash screen in XP when booting to Safe Mode) Try again.... this time, try tapping the F8 key once the RAM count has finished (about twice per second) - do you get the list this time?? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Noel -- rebooted, the screen with the MS Win flags and green box "working" > bar is as far as I got -- stuck there with the green boxes flashing [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> >> link to no availe. This is such a valuable program I don't want to >> >> lose. |
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