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Attempting Upgrade from WINME to WINXP/Java Question

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tomb - 30 Apr 2006 04:08 GMT
I'm intending to install the XP Home Ed., upgrading the current ME. After
running the upgrade advisor from Windows, I've been able to resolve most of
the concerns
raised by the advisor, but I still can't figure out the Java Plug-in
concern. The advisor, under the heading "Software That Does Not Support
Windows XP," states:
"Setup has found programs on your computer that are incompatible with (that
is, they do not work with) Windows XP. Contact your software vendors to
obtain updates or Windows XP-compatible versions. If you don't update these
programs before you upgrade, the programs will not work after the upgrade is
completed."
Below this statement is listed "Java Plug-in (in Control Panel)."

Currently I have installed J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 6 and Java w
Runtime Environment SE v1.4.2_11.

I've tried to download any updates available directly from Java, and the
installation is prevented, stating that I already have the version I'm
attempting to install (5.0 update 6).

I'm truly a beginner. Is there a way to download an update solely to update  
the v1.4.2_11? Does Java Plug-in simply not work with XP, and therefore
should I just uninstall both before the upgrade?

If someone could make sense of this, I'd much appreciate it.

Tom B.
Mike M - 30 Apr 2006 07:15 GMT
You DO NOT want you have Java 1.4.2.11.  It's full of holes and vulnerable
to just about every malicious exploit there is.  Uninstall this old leaky
version, upgrade to XP and then install the latest version from the Sun
web site.

The problem is that Sun, for some totally inexplicable reason, don't
uninstall their old versions when updating to a later version meaning that
updating to a later more secure version still leaves the vulnerable
exploitable version on your system available to all and sundry on the net
to exploit.  Check Add/Remove Programs, I think you will find that you
have multiple entries for these various Java installs.  Remove/Uninstall
all but the most recent version.
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> I'm intending to install the XP Home Ed., upgrading the current ME.
> After running the upgrade advisor from Windows, I've been able to
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> Tom B.
tomb - 30 Apr 2006 07:32 GMT
Thanks for your help. I'll uninstall it right away. I'm really new to all of
this, and trying to deal with all of the information and terminology coming
at me trying to fix existing problems and upgrading the operating system is
daunting. I've got a question posted under "memory error/scandisk" to which I
believe you responded.
Thanks for that help as well. I haven't yet created the start-up disk to try
the fix of scandisk that way. I've tried every other fix I could find in the
Windows KB articles, with no success. One of their articles suggests that the
most likely "resolution" to the scandisk problem is simply to do the XP
upgrade. Is that likely to be a solution?
Thanks again.

Tom B.

> You DO NOT want you have Java 1.4.2.11.  It's full of holes and vulnerable
> to just about every malicious exploit there is.  Uninstall this old leaky
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> >
> > Tom B.
Mike M - 30 Apr 2006 07:50 GMT
> Thanks for your help. I'll uninstall it right away. I'm really new to
> all of this, and trying to deal with all of the information and
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> problem is simply to do the XP upgrade. Is that likely to be a
> solution?

Maybe, maybe not.  It rather depends on what is causing the out of memory
error that you are seeing.  Upgrading to XP may well fix the problem as
might reinstalling Win Me.  What is the exact text of the scandisk error
please?
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tomb - 30 Apr 2006 14:37 GMT
The notice reads: "Your computer does not have enough available memory to
complete this task. If any other programs are running, quit one or more of
them, and then click OK."  I've tried the safe mode with only IE running, no
luck. I've run in normal mode with IE and system tray (avast antivirus
disabled, screensaver disabled), no luck. The computer has 384MB RAM memory,
and System Resources says that 392,648KB of physical memory is available.
System Resources says that  resources are 39% free, and GDI is 51%. I don't
know enough to know what any of these figures really signify, but I thought
they might help. Also, since the safe mode always takes me to Help & Support,
I run scandisk from the help menu, scanning files and disk separately. There
are almost always file errors, which scandisk fixes automatically. It's been
a very long time since the disk scan has indicated any errors at all on the
disk itself. It has said "no errors found" for a long time. I had to do a
System Restore on April 21 (to repair problems caused by the Windows Update
MS06-014KB 911562). It made Help & Support unaccessible, as it did,
apparently, for many other people as well . The restore went fine and cleared
away the problem. I believe that I ran the scandisk successfully at least
once after that (am almost certain), but could the restore have caused some
anamoly? The computer has no virusses (haven't had an infected file in a year
and a half), and otherwise actually runs pretty smoothly with reasonable
speed. If it weren't for the loss of help support from Windows and access to
security updates in July, I probably wouldn't want to mess with it with an
upgrade. Any, probably way more than you want to know, but I thought a bit
more information might lead you to an
assessment. Thanks a great deal if you've taken the time to read this far to
help a stranger.

Tom B.

> > Thanks for your help. I'll uninstall it right away. I'm really new to
> > all of this, and trying to deal with all of the information and
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> might reinstalling Win Me.  What is the exact text of the scandisk error
> please?
Mike M - 30 Apr 2006 15:17 GMT
An aside regarding the problems you had when installing the 911562 patch.
The problems you experienced such as the inability to access Help &
Support were due to a bug in the version of the 911562 patch for Microsoft
Data Access Components (MDAC) v2.8.  The solution is as follows:
Download and install MDAC 2.8 SP1 from
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/a/a/4aafff19-9d21-4d35-ae81-02c48dcbbbf
f/MDAC_TYP.EXE

Now visit the Windows Update site download and install KB911562 again.
Don't worry the patch for MDAC 2.8 SP1 has none of the problems associated
with the patch for MDAC 2.8.

Your scandisk problem:
As I mentioned earlier the only reasons that I know for the error message
you are seeing are those set out in KB229154 - "Your Computer Does Not
Have Enough Free Memory
to Defrag the Drive" Error Message"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=229154) and since you have previously
been able to use scandisk and have made no changes none of the reasons
given in 229154 would appear to be applicable.

Out of curiosity how large is your hard disk, is it partition to more than
one partition, that is is it all your C: drive, and how much free space is
there?

You might want to try the following.  Boot to DOS using a Win Me boot
floppy (choose either 2 or 3 from the menu when booting) and then at the
A:\> prompt type
SCANDISK  C:
and click Enter.
Does scandisk run?  What errors does it report?  Don't forget to remove
the floppy disk before booting back in to Win Me.
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> The notice reads: "Your computer does not have enough available
> memory to complete this task. If any other programs are running, quit
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