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Jim Cladingboel - 03 Aug 2006 05:38 GMT
A leading Australian PC magazine has just suggested dispensing with
several 'old technologies' including defragging one's HDD, describing it
now as "irrelevant".

I clearly recall the advent of DOS 5.0 which brought in defragging
and Doskey - two  major ground-breaking innovations for those days.

If a regular defrag was considered essential then, why should that not
still be the case?   Any views, one way or the other?

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Jim, in sunny Brisbane, Oz.

Mike M - 03 Aug 2006 12:04 GMT
Defragging a hard disk is virtually irrelevant if the NTFS filing system
is used however there are I feel benefits to be gained by defragging disks
using the FAT32 filing system as used by Win Me and the other old Win 9x
operating systems.

I doubt that the leading Australian PC magazine that you mention is
targeted at users running Win Me but instead principally aimed at those
running XP and gearing up to run Vista.
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Mike Maltby
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> A leading Australian PC magazine has just suggested dispensing with
> several 'old technologies' including defragging one's HDD, describing
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> If a regular defrag was considered essential then, why should that not
> still be the case?   Any views, one way or the other?
Jim Cladingboel - 04 Aug 2006 06:58 GMT
Thanks for that, Mike.  Glad to have my own opinion confirmed.
Unfortunately, PC magazines now tend to concentrate almost exclusively
on XP, and the comment referred to failed to indicate that it need only
be followed by XP users.  Perhaps we are the forgotten few?  But the
more I read and hear about XP, the less inclined I am to use it!
Jim.

> Defragging a hard disk is virtually irrelevant if the NTFS filing system
> is used however there are I feel benefits to be gained by defragging disks
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> > If a regular defrag was considered essential then, why should that not
> > still be the case?   Any views, one way or the other?
Mike M - 04 Aug 2006 07:08 GMT
Jim,

There really is little to fear or worry about running XP which is now a
rock solid and reliable platform.  I just wish I could say the same about
the upcoming Vista which I find offers me little that I want or need and
requires users to jump continually through so many hoops.
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> Thanks for that, Mike.  Glad to have my own opinion confirmed.
> Unfortunately, PC magazines now tend to concentrate almost exclusively
> on XP, and the comment referred to failed to indicate that it need
> only
> be followed by XP users.  Perhaps we are the forgotten few?  But the
> more I read and hear about XP, the less inclined I am to use it!
Jim Cladingboel - 05 Aug 2006 05:45 GMT
Well, Mike,  my latest info is that a recent "High Priority" XP update
dumped a beta version of MS's WGA onto millions of unsuspecting
owners who may now get erroneous messages telling them they have a
pirated O/S !   That has nothing to do with supporting a reliable
platform.  I think I am one of many who suspect MS's motives and
will hang on to their 9x versions for as long as possible.

Jim.

> Jim,
>
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> > be followed by XP users.  Perhaps we are the forgotten few?  But the
> > more I read and hear about XP, the less inclined I am to use it!
Mike M - 05 Aug 2006 10:22 GMT
The hotifix involved was the WGA Notification tool, and yes the first
couple of versions in error did have a EULA (End User Licence) that
mentioned it being "beta" although that did not effect the tool's
operation in any way.  In fact the PC I am using is running such a version
of the tool and being "genuine and legal" it hasn't effected the operation
of the PC one jot.  There is little genuine evidence that the notification
tool has caused problems to users other than those who were running dodgy
copies of XP.  In a fair few number of the cases this wasn't the direct
fault of the end user, they had either been sold a machine with a dodgy
licence or, and this seems to have happened more often than seems
credible, the user had taken their PC to be repaired or "cleaned" and the
local dealer had taken the easy way out and reinstalled the operating
system and in doing so had not used the user's media or licence but rather
used an image of a system that had been made with a leaked volume licence
key.  Yes, few have had problems, and it really is a few, however I have
no problems with any company including Microsoft protecting its
intellectual property,  Where a user has been told they had a dodgy copy
of XP the Notification tool has advised them how to proceed and that
includes asking for help and advice.

If you are concerned about MS or any other company or state's motives I
feel you might be best served by turning off your PC, packing your bags
and heading for the jungle.  Just a thought to ponder, you do realise that
Google for example have retained information about every query you might
have made using their search engine and that this information is available
for purchase? <g>

XP is a solid and far more reliable operating system than any 9x operating
system but if you feel that Win Me meets you requirements then stick with
it.  I've still got a box here that runs Win Me as its sole operating
system and it gives little trouble although that could be because it is
now only ever used for a few hours a week although until early this year
it was running continuously and being rebooted weekly.
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Mike Maltby
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> Well, Mike,  my latest info is that a recent "High Priority" XP update
> dumped a beta version of MS's WGA onto millions of unsuspecting
> owners who may now get erroneous messages telling them they have a
> pirated O/S !   That has nothing to do with supporting a reliable
> platform.  I think I am one of many who suspect MS's motives and
> will hang on to their 9x versions for as long as possible.
Joan Archer - 05 Aug 2006 16:41 GMT
Coming in a bit late to the thread but as per your last post I feel that
you have been misinformed as to Microsoft doing anything wrong with trying
to protect their products.

If you lurk in the XP ng's there are not that many people, compared to how
many are using it, that have problems with WGA. I know that I wouldn't
want anyone to use or copy something that was mine without permission so
certainly don't criticise Microsoft for protecting their property.

I still have a WinME machine running here which used to be used to dual
boot with XP and I know which OS I prefer to use. I have my own XP box so
does my DH and my DD is using the ME machine now just running that OS,
which does have its little hissy fits from time to time but for saying how
old it is I'm not surprised but I much prefer to use XP, which is  much
more robust and easier to use, it has to be for me to use it <g>

I don't think you will regret it if or when you move over to XP.
Joan

> Well, Mike,  my latest info is that a recent "High Priority" XP update
> dumped a beta version of MS's WGA onto millions of unsuspecting
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>
> Jim.
Jim Cladingboel - 06 Aug 2006 06:10 GMT
Joan and Mike,

Thank you for your helpful responses.  I can't ignore commendations from
such reliable and experienced people, so I will give the matter further
thought if/when ME seems beyond recovery.  The WGA problem (?) was
put to me in a very different light from that which you describe, Mike.

Thanks again,
Jim.

> Coming in a bit late to the thread but as per your last post I feel that
> you have been misinformed as to Microsoft doing anything wrong with trying
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> >
> > Jim.
Joan Archer - 06 Aug 2006 21:02 GMT
Your welcome Jim, Mike is the expert here not me, I just try and gather
any and all information I can, and I would follow any advice he gave with
regards to any problems running any of the Windows OS's.
Joan

> Joan and Mike,
>
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>> >
>> > Jim.
 
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