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Windows Forum / Windows Me / General Topics / February 2005Scandisk on bootup
I have a Gateway computer that is about 4 years old. It was having numerous problems. I formatted the hard drive and zeroed the drive using the restore disks from Gateway. The computer works fine except that every time the computer boots, it wants to do a thorough surface scan using scandisk. I have just left it on minimal running options for several months and haven't really added anything new just to see what would happen. Nothing new has happened. I have kept it off of the Internet to maintain a level of purity. Nothing interesting has happened. My only problem is scandisk. No matter whether I let it try to go through its thing or not, it continues to run scandisk on boot up. Anybody out ther have any clues as to what this oculd be. Is it some sort of virus that has attacked the bios chip? Would that do this? Is it absolutley necessary to replace the hard drive in this case? > I have a Gateway computer that is about 4 years old. It was having numerous > problems. I formatted the hard drive and zeroed the drive using the restore [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Heck no. Be patient and wait for a reply. ScanDisk Runs Even Though Windows Shut Down Correctly http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017/EN-US/ John > I have a Gateway computer that is about 4 years old. It was having numerous > problems. I formatted the hard drive and zeroed the drive using the restore [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Is it absolutley necessary to replace the hard drive in this case? Thank you so much....all of you for your help!!! I will try your suggestions. Vera > ScanDisk Runs Even Though Windows Shut Down Correctly > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017/EN-US/ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > Is it absolutley necessary to replace the hard drive in this case? If scandisk is running each time you boot your PC this would suggest that the PC is not shutting down correctly. One possibility is that your PC or rather hard disk shuts down too quickly which can then cause Scandisk to run when you next boot. You can delay shutdown by editing the registry and increasing the value of the DWORD CacheWriteDelay found at HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion. This is useful where fast hard disks are used that shutdown before all cached data has been written to them. If you haven't already done so you should install the "Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package" patch from the Windows Update site (For more details see MS KB 273017 - "ScanDisk Runs Even Though Windows Shut Down Correctly" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=273017). Tracking down shutdown and power-off problems (they differ) can be somewhat difficult but may I suggest that you start by having a look at MS KB 273746 - "How to Troubleshoot Windows Me Shutdown Problems" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=273746) and then move on to Jim Eshelman's pages at http://aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm and http://aumha.org/win4/a/shtdwnme.htm which cover this topic. Hopefully you will find advice there that will help your resolve your problem. The Windows Me Startup and Shutdown Troubleshooting Wizard is located in the Help and Support Centre in Windows Me or at the following Microsoft Web site: http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/  SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > I have a Gateway computer that is about 4 years old. It was having > numerous problems. I formatted the hard drive and zeroed the drive [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Is it absolutley necessary to replace the hard drive in this case? You can disable scandisk on bootup by this method. Some might say its not a good idea,but I have mine set this way and have had no problems. Click Start/click Run. Type "msconfig" without the quotes into the box that appears.Click Ok. In the next box that appears click on the General tab. In the next box tick "Disable Scandisk After Bad Shutdown" Click OK then Apply. Restart your computer. If you need to run Scandisk,which I do once a month along with disk defragmenter,you can find it from Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Scandisk. John not 'some' - but 'MOST' would say that disabling ScanDisk in this way is not only inadvisable, but just plain stupid. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > You can disable scandisk on bootup by this method. > Some might say its not a good idea,but I have mine [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John You say stupid, I say crazy. :-) Same result regardless. :-( SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > not 'some' - but 'MOST' would say that disabling ScanDisk in this way > is not only inadvisable, but just plain stupid. > You say stupid, I say crazy. :-) Same result regardless. :-( OFFER SOME REASON BEHIND YOUR COMMENT!!!!!!!!! John It all depends on whether you value the data stored on your computer or not. You apparently don't or you wouldn't have disabled scandisk. Your loss. Just think of the further damage you might cause your system if you start your PC with an already damaged file store due to a previous crash or other shutdown problem. If you don't fix the problem immediately you are likely to cause further damage with loss of files and a monthly scandisk will be far too late to stand a chance of recovering the situation. All for saving a microsecond or two on boot up. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > OFFER SOME REASON BEHIND YOUR COMMENT!!!!!!!!! > It all depends on whether you value the data stored on your computer or > not. You apparently don't or you wouldn't have disabled scandisk. Your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > scandisk will be far too late to stand a chance of recovering the > situation. All for saving a microsecond or two on boot up. I do value my data.As I said I rarely have any problems with my pc.This machine is in constant use. I do my regular housekeeping and it runs as sweet as it did when I bought it about 4 years ago.Never had a loss of data or component failure and I have never reinstalled the OS. Also my pc is never switched off unless software installs call for it and is connected to the internet at all times. John You'll learn. Unfortunately it'll probably be the hard way. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > I do value my data.As I said I rarely have any problems > with my pc.This machine is in constant use. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Also my pc is never switched off unless software installs call > for it and is connected to the internet at all times. > You'll learn. Unfortunately it'll probably be the hard way. What,like after another 4 years of smooth pc operation? I don't think you know half as much as you think you do. John > What,like after another 4 years of smooth pc operation? > I don't think you know half as much as you think you do. What I know is irrelevant here however what I do know from your postings is that you know far less than you think you do. SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > > What,like after another 4 years of smooth pc operation? > > I don't think you know half as much as you think you do. > > What I know is irrelevant here however what I do know from your postings > is that you know far less than you think you do. Irrelevent?If thats the case,why keep posting on these groups? You just about admitted you don't know what the hell you are talking about.Stop conning MS about your so called knowledge of their systems and resign from the MVP program. Do us all a favour and put your soap box back in the cupboard. John Troll.. http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm Norm >> > What,like after another 4 years of smooth pc operation? >> > I don't think you know half as much as you think you do. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Do us all a favour and put your soap box back in the cupboard. > John > Troll.. http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm > > Norm Who the hell are you calling a troll.Fact is,mate,I post on here trying to help other users and the MVP brigade do nothing but rip any advice given to bits.Why do they think that they are always right and everyone else is wrong? Carry on pal,listen to them.Stuff everyone else. To all posters who offer advice on these groups,don't bother. The MVP's will only shout you down using words like stupid,crazy etc.From now on leave the advice to the "experts" or don't bother posting at all.Think the groups should have "MVP's only to answer any questions,as everyone else is stupid" added to the group names. John The only reason - and the only time - anyone 'rips into you' is when you post bad advice. If you refuse to learn from the experience and knowledge of others, that's your problem - but don't try and foist your misguided ideas onto others with little or no knowledge, without expecting to get called out on it. SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> Troll.. http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > John > The only reason - and the only time - anyone 'rips into you' is when you > post bad advice. > > If you refuse to learn from the experience and knowledge of others, that's > your problem - but don't try and foist your misguided ideas onto others with > little or no knowledge, without expecting to get called out on it. All hail the MVP's,"They are always right".So my advice is always wrong,damn I'm sorry that you are so big headed about your "knowledge".You and MM must be the only two who have ever learned anything.I don't "foist" anything onto anybody,it is their choice whether to take any advice given. And its every time I post anything that you and him start slagging me.I am amazed anyone posts anything at all when you two are so brilliant at what you do.Maybe the V in MVP means Vain? John > ...I don't "foist" anything onto anybody,it is their choice whether > to take any advice given. Fair enough, but remember that people who post questions to Microsoft newsgroups are looking for answers to problems, not more problems. Also remember that the skills of the poster may range from the completely lost and daft to quasi expert. Novice users may not understand the implications or complications that may be caused by applying an incorrect fix or suggestion, or a plainly dangerous idea. One of the strengths of peer groups is that answers given are subject to peer review and subject to corrections when incorrect or improper advice is given. Peer reviewers may also add additional information that the helper may have omitted or otherwise clarify things. Just accept that your information was incorrect and move on, live and learn. We all make mistakes, I made a a mistake once, I thought I was wrong when actually I was right... John My knowledge and experience are irrelevant since the person with the lack of knowledge under discussion is yourself. You obviously have nothing useful to contribute to this or any other thread in this newsgroup and as such are no more than a worthless and ignorant troll. PLONK SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP mike.maltby@gmail.com > Irrelevent?If thats the case,why keep posting on these groups? > You just about admitted you don't know what the hell you are > talking about.Stop conning MS about your so called > knowledge of their systems and resign from the MVP program. > Do us all a favour and put your soap box back in the cupboard. > John > My knowledge and experience are irrelevant since the person with the lack > of knowledge under discussion is yourself. You obviously have nothing > useful to contribute to this or any other thread in this newsgroup and as > such are no more than a worthless and ignorant troll. > > PLONK What the hell is wrong with you,everytime I post anything on these groups you start with the deregatory remarks. WHAT THE HELL HAVE I EVER DONE TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!? Name calling,was that part of your resume when you joined the MVP program? Give it up MATE,You and others like you are giving MVP's a bad name. John <further boring flame with MikeM... try to be more creative, gents, eh> Disabling Scandisk without first finding out why it insists on starting on each boot is a stupid idea. Whether you actually think it is a good idea or it just sounded like a good idea at the time isn't really germane. Other than that <shrug> who cares (except the OP of course) Rick > <further boring flame with MikeM... try to be more creative, gents, eh> > > Disabling Scandisk without first finding out why it insists on starting > on each boot is a stupid idea. While failing to appreciate that just because one has never had a problem proves precisely zero about it's safety, borders on the brain-damaged. Shane Kinda like 'My Airbag's never been used yet - so I don't need it' SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> <further boring flame with MikeM... try to be more creative, gents, eh> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Shane >><further boring flame with MikeM... try to be more creative, gents, eh> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Shane The ability to keep the OS from running Scandisk automatically can be useful if you commonly shut the thing down without letting it go through the housekeeping functions first or if you're stuck with a program that doesn't respond to shutting down properly, etc. Marginal reasoning, though, eventually something real breaks and then you wonder why your system doens't work. Rick > >><further boring flame with MikeM... try to be more creative, gents, eh> > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > though, eventually something real breaks and then you wonder why your > system doens't work. Well, it's always a gamble - how much, varying, of course. My brother-in-law seems to have forgotten how to shut down properly, as when he's here this machine has a plague of bad shutdowns. I don't want to sit through scandisk at almost every boot, so I'll tend to cancel the scan, check my e-mail or whatever, then run ScanDefrag to make sure it gets done. Shane Because after a crash or improper shutdown you may have damaged File Allocation Table or worse yet damaged Partition Table. Scandisk on crash reboot will at least try to verify and recover these tables. Without these tables you have no files, or lost files or no partitions! To paraphrase what Mike said, it's your data, do as you please with it. We all do stupid things... like paying too much for car insurance. But you should be in a Verizon commercial or on Jackass. Another John >>You say stupid, I say crazy. :-) Same result regardless. :-( > > OFFER SOME REASON BEHIND YOUR COMMENT!!!!!!!!! > John > not 'some' - but 'MOST' would say that disabling ScanDisk in this way is not > only inadvisable, but just plain stupid. Oh God,here we go again.Noel,instead of saying it is plain stupid,offer some reasons for your comments. I have had scandisk set like this for at least 3 years with no ill effects.My pc runs perfectly and rarely crashes. Don't have many problems at all really and as I have said,I run scandisk and defrag manually once a month. Remember our little run in a while back,well lets not start all that again.Lets have some constructive advice for the group users. John 1) Scandisk running on boot is telling you there's a problem - disabling it removes the cluestick. 2) It's too easy to forget to do the 'monthly maintenance' - so the opportunity for a scan should be taken. 3) .... SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >> not 'some' - but 'MOST' would say that disabling ScanDisk in this way is > not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John Only truly paranoid people would say that, Noel ... like the paranoid people who look both ways before crossing the street. ;-) SignatureRichard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > not 'some' - but 'MOST' would say that disabling ScanDisk in this way is > not only inadvisable, but just plain stupid. Using the same logic, I suppose I could disable my AV utility and just run it once a month. I wouldn't know if I had a virus until the AV utility picked it up when I ran it or unless my machine crashed first. Makes sense, I suppose - and it would run faster too. Mart > You can disable scandisk on bootup by this method. > Some might say its not a good idea,but I have mine [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John > Using the same logic, I suppose I could disable my AV utility and just run > it once a month. I wouldn't know if I had a virus until the AV utility [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mart Its up to you Mart,its your pc. John Interesting idea John, but I think that I will stick with convention. Mart >> Using the same logic, I suppose I could disable my AV utility and just >> run [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Its up to you Mart,its your pc. > John > Interesting idea John, but I think that I will stick with convention. > > Mart Fair enough. John |
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