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Windows Forum / Windows Me / General Topics / October 2005system restore again
I tried to run system restore but there were no check points. Also the calendar only goes back to Oct 1. The message box says there are currently no restore points available. Belarc shows the file 290700 is installed. I did this a long time ago and have not re-downloaded it. It was ok a week ago. Of course my daughter came to visit which may be a clue. She managed to download Adobe 6 because it popped up not knowing that I didn't want it. (always had trouble) I was happy with 5.1. Now that she's gone I was going to use restore. Guess again. Seems like I have a program somewhere where there's a snapshot but I forget what. Any hints appreciated. thank Kelly Smith I forgot to mention I did the create a restore point test. System restore is working. Now I have one restore point and one restore operation in the list. The rest are gone. Running a Dell 4100. > I tried to run system restore but there were no check points. Also the > calendar only goes back to Oct 1. The message box says there are currently no [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > thank > Kelly Smith Check that System Restore is allocated enough "room". Same thing happened to me, and I discovered that the allocated space had slipped back to 200Mb, wiping out all my previous restore points. Raised it to 800Mb and everything is behaving again. >I forgot to mention I did the create a restore point test. System restore >is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> thank >> Kelly Smith Sunny 200MB is more than enough for 10 restore points under normal circumstances, unless you are frequently installing/uninstalling programs, or install a large app such as Office.  SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Check that System Restore is allocated enough "room". > Same thing happened to me, and I discovered that the allocated space had [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> thank >>> Kelly Smith In normal situations maybe, Noel, but wouldn't you say that spontaneously reducing from 800 - 200 would be a sign of a deeper issue? Anyway, my personal belief - as a result of experience - is unless you really are pushed for space, about 500 is a better value. Decide to restore back one RP at a time, each time it makes an undo and fifos what you may ultimately have depended on. Particular type of situation, of course, but... Shane > Sunny > 200MB is more than enough for 10 restore points under normal [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>> thank >>>> Kelly Smith I tend to agree that 'one notch above minimum' is the best setting for most people, since like me, they'll probably forget to increase the amount allocated prior to a large install! I doubt that the reduction was spontaneous - more likely a forgotten manual setting. I've never heard of any instance where the setting has been reduced spontaneously - although it regularly gets reset to the default 12% for any number of reasons (most of which involve user interaction)! SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > In normal situations maybe, Noel, but wouldn't you say that spontaneously > reducing from 800 - 200 would be a sign of a deeper issue? [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>> thank >>>>> Kelly Smith Good, we agree on all points! I admit I hoped to hear about some example of spontaneous space allocation reduction following this post, but have never heard of such myself either. Meanwhile I'm trying to make the longest sentences I can, lately, so excuse any illegibility. Or mention it! That is kind of the purpose, after all! Shane > I tend to agree that 'one notch above minimum' is the best setting > for most people, since like me, they'll probably forget to increase [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>>>>> thank >>>>>> Kelly Smith Trying to follow in S***ge's footsteps, Shane? <eg> SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's <snip> > Meanwhile I'm trying to make the longest sentences I can, lately, so > excuse any illegibility. Or mention it! That is kind of the purpose, after > all! > > Shane Ha ha! I can't tell if you're being evil or just urbane! One things for sure, you're being sensible. I've already invoked him on a hunch, but don't care to make a habit of it. So S***ge it is henceforth in here! Damn! Forgot to avoid punctation! Shane > Trying to follow in S***ge's footsteps, Shane? > <eg> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Shane Try reading a few of Mike's posts - he manages some *really* long sentences sometimes! SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Ha ha! I can't tell if you're being evil or just urbane! One things for > sure, you're being sensible. I've already invoked him on a hunch, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> >>> Shane Noel wrote:- > Try reading a few of Mike's posts - he manages some *really* long > sentences sometimes! Life sentences? Mart A VC10 just went over. Made a helluva long sentence! Shane > Try reading a few of Mike's posts - he manages some *really* long > sentences sometimes! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>> >>>> Shane Are those things still flying?? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >A VC10 just went over. Made a helluva long sentence! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Shane Couple of RAF regiments based at Brize Norton still use them. They fly over here several times a week. I heard a couple of days ago theres work going on at Brize - so they're using Fairford, which explains a lot! Shane > Are those things still flying?? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> Shane Ok - so SR is at least partially functional, which is good news.... Please check the following. 1) What is the space allocation for SR?? (System Properties|Performance|File System) 2) How much space is SR actually using?? (Open Windows Explorer, set Folder Options|View so that you can see System and Hidden Files/folders - r-click on the c:\_Restore folder, and select Properties) 3) How big is your C:\ drive/partition? (r-click on the C:\ icon, select Properties) 4) In MSCONFIG - is *Statemgr checked? - it should be. 5) Are you/have you been running Norton software - or a registry cleaner of some kind? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's >I forgot to mention I did the create a restore point test. System restore >is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> thank >> Kelly Smith Noel, darn it I lost my message so to repeat, I dumped norton a long time ago. Restore is set at one notch above minimum which is 637 and it has been. Yep I did mess with a registry cleaner about a week ago. Probably the problem. When I open the _restore folder in C: I get four objects around 61kb. When I type it in run I get a window with 105 CPY files at 46mb. Earlier it was 352 CPY files at 67mb. When I click _restore properties I get 123mb, 130 files and 5 folders. Sorry I'm just a user not a mechanic lol. *statmgr is and has been checked. 9g used 28g free. 512ram. It's hard for us old (77) people to learn new tricks. Anyway I ran scanreg /fix but didn't see any changes. Thanks Kelly > Ok - so SR is at least partially functional, which is good news.... > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >> thank > >> Kelly Smith See Mike M's response - which would have been my next point of attack. It seems that your system is as it should be - but that you are running some piece of software that interferes with automatic SR point generation SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Noel, darn it I lost my message so to repeat, I dumped norton a long time > ago. Restore is set at one notch above minimum which is 637 and it has [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> >> thank >> >> Kelly Smith Since you can create a manual checkpoint the problem would appear to be that the system is no longer creating automatic system restore checkpoints. There can be many reasons for lack of regular automatic system created checkpoints including running programs such as seti@home, folding@home or other similar programs, or because a background application is fooling Win Me's state manager into thinking that the system is not idle although this is not in fact the case. Examples of the latter utility include v4 of MotherBoardMonitor (but not v5), Cacheman, The Cleaner (TCActive and TCMonitor) and Norton's System Doctor where users have reported use of the Disk Health sensor has prevented the creation of automatic checkpoints. NAV7 has also been reported as causing similar problems in certain circumstances. Other users have reported similar behaviour due to their always on cable or ADSL connection continually polling their HD and thus giving the impression that the system is never idle. A significant number of users report that 3.x versions of Zone Alarm also prevent the creation of automatic checkpoints but this didn't seem to affect all ZA users including myself for a long time but my Win Me system stopped making automatic checkpoints some time ago however now that it has ZA Pro 5.xxx this problem seems to have been resolved. Similar problems have been experienced by BlackIce users and other software firewalls have also been reported to cause some users similar problems. Another application knopwn to prevent the creation of automatic system restore checkpoints is the anutvirus application AVAST. One user has reported that B's CLIP UDF packet writing software (http://www.bhacorp.com/products/clip/clip.html) prevented the creation of automatic checkpoints and another that they had experienced the same problem with Roxio's DirectCD. Another user has also reported that CookieWall by AnalogX will prevent automatic checkpoints being made if its "Scan for cookies every .... seconds" is set to a value less than 121 seconds (two minutes). Other known applications that prevent the creation of automatic checkpoints include Tea Time (part of SpyBot Search & Destroy), ccleaner in clean at boot mode and client01.exe which is the process name of DigiGuide (www.gipsymedia.com a UK TV listings app), SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > I forgot to mention I did the create a restore point test. System > restore is working. Now I have one restore point and one restore > operation in the list. The rest are gone. > Running a Dell 4100. Back again, I have spybot 1.3.0.12 and zone alarm ZoneAlarm version:6.0.667.000, TrueVector version:6.0.667.000 Driver version:6.0.667.000. but none of the others you mentioned. I went to windows update and downloaded a couple of files. On the restart all I got was my cursor and my desktop background. After hitting reset 3 times it finally loaded the rest. I checked SR and the update was noted although it was the only one since I did the test on the 27th. Since I have no old restore points should I re-download the hotfix and start off new or maybe disable SR and then re-enable it??? I also noticed that one update it said I should have was KB837009. Well it looked kind of familiar and I checked installation history and found it had been sucessfully downloaded about 10 times. So I hunt it up on a file search and double click it and it says IE SP1 has to be installed first. I go to add/remove and IE SP1 is there. Now I figure I'll go to Microsoft and re-download SP1 in case it's corrupted. I saved it to a folder and when I tried to run it I got the message my IE SP1 is up to date. Belarc doesn't show KB837009 either. Time for a new puter or a new user, don't know which. Kelly > Since you can create a manual checkpoint the problem would appear to be > that the system is no longer creating automatic system restore [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > operation in the list. The rest are gone. > > Running a Dell 4100. > but none of the others you mentioned. Kelly, I suspect that your problems with lack of automatic system restore checkpoints is quite possibly due to Zone Alarm. I would suggest you post your problems with installing updates to a new thread as this is unrelated to your lack of system restore checkpoints. By starting a new thread others will see your post and hopefully be able to make useful comments. I would most strongly urge you NOT to disable system restore when installing updates. To do so leaves you with no escape route if something should go wrong. As for reinstalling IE6 SP1 this is not likely to be necessary. In Internet Explorer what does Help | About have to say? If you are running IE6 v6.0.2800.1106 then you have IE6 SP1. Hotfix 837009. Have a look at the files Windows Update.log in the C:\Windows folder and iuhist,.xml in the C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 folder and see if you can locate a reference to an error when installing 837009 and if you can find one check it out at the WindowsUpdate troubleshooter (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/troubleshoot/) and see if this helps explain why you are having problems installing this update. > Time for a new puter or a new user, don't know which. I doubt that either is required. :-) SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Back again, > I have spybot 1.3.0.12 and zone alarm ZoneAlarm version:6.0.667.000, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > show KB837009 either. Time for a new puter or a new user, don't know > which. Thanks for the reply Mike but since I basically have no restore points I just meant to turn it off and on and then leave it on hoping for a reset. lol. I have IE Sp1 6.0.2800.1106 but this KB837009 says 6.0.2800.1168. I looked it up in C: but found nothing except the original file name is Wextract. I can also find it doing a file search under Q837009. I'll probably drift over to the IE groups and drop this on them. Thanks Kelly > > but none of the others you mentioned. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > show KB837009 either. Time for a new puter or a new user, don't know > > which. |
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