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Dapper Dan - 29 Oct 2005 01:10 GMT
If I recall correctly, I have seen admonishments against using TweakUi
to reposition icons on the desktop. Specifically, I think the warning
was not to move the first icon.  I'm curious about this because on my
Win98 desktop the first icon is MY COMPUTER whereas on my WinMe laptop
the first icon is MY DOCUMENTS.

I ask because my slower rated desktop is significantly faster than the
laptop and I wonder if the position of the first icon would have any
impact on speed.

Thanks in advance for any advice on this matter

Dan
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 01:17 GMT
How you manually order your icons is immaterial, what is important is not
to alter the first icon using TweakUI.  This appears as an option on the
Desktop tab.  Altering the order of the icons causes major problems but
not a slowing of the PC.
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> If I recall correctly, I have seen admonishments against using TweakUi
> to reposition icons on the desktop. Specifically, I think the warning
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>
> Dan
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 01:26 GMT
PS I forgot to include details of the problems that can occur when the
icon order is altered using TweakUI.  Altering the icon order leads for
some reason to several different internet explorer script error messages
such as one when you open the My Pictures folder.  See MS KB275557
"Internet Explorer Script Error Message When You Open the My Pictures
Folder" (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275557).
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> How you manually order your icons is immaterial, what is important is
> not to alter the first icon using TweakUI.  This appears as an option
> on the Desktop tab.  Altering the order of the icons causes major
> problems but not a slowing of the PC.
David H. Lipman - 29 Oct 2005 01:47 GMT
From: "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only>

| PS I forgot to include details of the problems that can occur when the
| icon order is altered using TweakUI.  Altering the icon order leads for
| some reason to several different internet explorer script error messages
| such as one when you open the My Pictures folder.  See MS KB275557
| "Internet Explorer Script Error Message When You Open the My Pictures
| Folder" (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275557).

I still remember when you gave me that tidbit when I ran into the script error problem.

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Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 01:52 GMT
> I still remember when you gave me that tidbit when I ran into the
> script error problem.

Dave,

My problem was that I had totally forgotten what the problem was when I
posted my first reply and had to go back and check my "notes".  I'm so
used to listing the does and don'ts when using TweakUI that I'd forgotten
what some of the actual problems were.  :-)  To be honest I can't remember
when anybody last asked that particular question or reported seeing IE
scripting errors when using Explorer in Win Me.

Cheers,
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Shane - 29 Oct 2005 14:24 GMT
>> I still remember when you gave me that tidbit when I ran into the
>> script error problem.
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> when anybody last asked that particular question or reported seeing IE
> scripting errors when using Explorer in Win Me.

Amen to (all of) that! More than 5 years ago, an eternity, I sometimes think
if *someone* didn't ask this stuff still I'll forget it all and go back to
square one!

Shane
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 15:19 GMT
> Amen to (all of) that! More than 5 years ago, an eternity, I
> sometimes think if *someone* didn't ask this stuff still I'll forget
> it all and go back to square one!

Absolutely!

Sorry to hear of your recent accident.  Hopefully your arm and hands will
soon be back as they should be and you able to enjoy biking again.

Reminds me a little of when I came off my bike near the Old Vic in the
early 90s.  I can remember passing Lambeth North and driving down Bayliss
Road, the next thing I know I'm in A&E at St.Thomas's.  Was told where I
was picked up, apparently a cabbie had radioed in and called for the
ambulance, and can remember up until about 100m before where I came off.
Some years later when I was X-rayed at the London Chest Hospital in
connection with my sleep problems the consultant, on seeing the scars on
my ribs, suggested that I had quite possibly fallen asleep and that was
what had caused me to come off the bike.  Fortunately I'd already stopped
driving by then but it would have been nice to have been told about the
possibility of my going to sleep on the bike like that before I had my
accident. <g>

Cheers,
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Shane - 29 Oct 2005 16:22 GMT
Mike,

Yes, gotta get back to normal - if for no other reason I'm beginning to get
*bored*! I keep taking this arm out of the sling to use the thumb - like
now, typing! - but it backfires because then I start using the hand without
thinking. I'm ok so far, but there a wires poking out that I really do not
want to smash into anything!

I find it increasingly depressing to consider one might have these crashes
and *never* remember them. Whatever the cause - I don't suppose it's much
consolation there's a name for why you can't remember it!

Hey, glad *you* were alright! Until now, London has been the only place I
couldn't avoid being driven into, it's that frenetic - though I did manage
to 'step' clear just before the BT van in EC1 shot out of the sidestreet,
and regain control of the bike in Hayes, to be able to stop on the pavement,
flick the sidestand down cool-as-you-like and get off in one movement, then
walk over to the driver for his profuse apologies!

But they're told never to admit responsibility and so, though they are nine
times out of ten, they add insult to injury by claiming it was the biker's
fault! At the scene you get profuse aologies; on the insurance claim you get
barefaced lies.

Hate this having no memory. Even when I knocked myself out as a kid, the
memory cane back bit by bit. No hint of that yet.

Cheers to you, too, Mike

Shane

>> Amen to (all of) that! More than 5 years ago, an eternity, I
>> sometimes think if *someone* didn't ask this stuff still I'll forget
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>
> Cheers,
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 16:48 GMT
> Hate this having no memory. Even when I knocked myself out as a kid,
> the memory cane back bit by bit. No hint of that yet.

Well 14 years on I have absolutely no memory of what happened and never
have.  :-(  Here's hoping your memory of the accident does come back
although it might be "painful".

Cheers,
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> Mike,
>
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> Hate this having no memory. Even when I knocked myself out as a kid,
> the memory cane back bit by bit. No hint of that yet.
Shane - 31 Oct 2005 10:07 GMT
>> Hate this having no memory. Even when I knocked myself out as a kid,
>> the memory cane back bit by bit. No hint of that yet.
>
> Well 14 years on I have absolutely no memory of what happened and never
> have.  :-(  Here's hoping your memory of the accident does come back
> although it might be "painful".

Thanks Mike,

Yes, I can imagine remembering being traumatic. Something you can never be
ready for.

It's now a few hours short of two weeks ago. I suppose I'm used to not
knowing, now, and in fact remembering would be the uncertainty I recoil
from!

Cheers,

Shane
Joan Archer - 29 Oct 2005 17:41 GMT
If it's anything like me it never will Shane, I'm still missing three
weeks of my life from being a passenger in a Land Rover and being near
enough hit head on by a lorry. Apparently I was out for four days and have
no recollection of the week before the one during or a week after <g>
Glad you're improving though.
Joan

>snip>
> Hate this having no memory. Even when I knocked myself out as a kid,
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>
> Shane
Noel Paton - 29 Oct 2005 18:07 GMT
(I'd hate to see the lorry!<g>)

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> If it's anything like me it never will Shane, I'm still missing three
> weeks of my life from being a passenger in a Land Rover and being near
> enough hit head on by a lorry. Apparently I was out for four days and have
> no recollection of the week before the one during or a week after <g>
> Glad you're improving though.
> Joan
Joan Archer - 29 Oct 2005 20:48 GMT
<groan> I suppose I asked for that one, as for the lorry or the Land Rover
have no idea <g>
Joan

> (I'd hate to see the lorry!<g>)
Shane - 31 Oct 2005 10:35 GMT
I'm sorry to hear of your crash, Joan! I was just saying to Mike I've got to
the point where I accept not remembering. Did you feel the same? I suppose,
to use the vernacular, I wish to draw a line under the incident.

Thanks for your support. And your calling, when you did, meant a lot.

Shane

> If it's anything like me it never will Shane, I'm still missing three
> weeks of my life from being a passenger in a Land Rover and being near
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>>
>> Shane
Joan Archer - 31 Oct 2005 12:24 GMT
Like you I never give it a thought now, it was the beginning of the '70's
when it happened <g>

I thought I was rich at the time I got £300 compensation, so I had a
holiday in Great Yarmouth with a mate and took up driving <g>

I was glad to give my support I'd do the same for any of my friends, and
I'm glad to see you back in here getting back to normal <g>
Joan

> I'm sorry to hear of your crash, Joan! I was just saying to Mike I've
> got to the point where I accept not remembering. Did you feel the
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>
> Shane
Shane - 31 Oct 2005 13:05 GMT
> Like you I never give it a thought now, it was the beginning of the '70's
> when it happened <g>

Funny, it was about that time...

> I thought I was rich at the time I got £300 compensation, so I had a
> holiday in Great Yarmouth with a mate and took up driving <g>

...our's and our friends families went on holiday more-or-less together - us
to Lowestoft, they to Great Yarmouth! I seem to recall we drove through
Slough! That's when I first saw the sign for Stoke Poges, only read it as
"Poggs" and have thought of it that way ever since.

> I'm glad to see you back in here getting back to normal <g>

As bad as that, eh!

Shane
John John - 29 Oct 2005 09:14 GMT
TweakUi is probably one of the most destructive utility that anyone
could ever use on a computer.  Unless you want to use the use the no
longer available TweakUi that was changing xp home into xp pro.

John

> If I recall correctly, I have seen admonishments against using TweakUi
> to reposition icons on the desktop. Specifically, I think the warning
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dan
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 09:27 GMT
> TweakUi is probably one of the most destructive utility that anyone
> could ever use on a computer.  Unless you want to use the use the no
> longer available TweakUi that was changing xp home into xp pro.

John,

With respect your post is incorrect in many ways.  TweakUI is still
available and is a most useful utility however its use requires a little
caution on the part of the user nothing more.  To say the utility is
destructive is most misleading and suggests a total lack of understanding
on your part as to its purpose.
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John John - 29 Oct 2005 10:48 GMT
Hi Mike,

In my understanding TweakUi is a registry modifying utility that just
comes back to haunt users and tell them that they shouldn't have
"tweakomatically" changed their registry or even installed TweakUi.

As much as I like you I still don't think that TweakUi is much of a
useful tool.  Not since it's release in the W95 days have I thought that
this was a safe and useful tool...

That be said, I think that you may have a valid point.  Those in the
want should try TweakUi and see what it can do.

Maybe we can agree to disagree and have a drink over it...

John

>> TweakUi is probably one of the most destructive utility that anyone
>> could ever use on a computer.  Unless you want to use the use the no
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> destructive is most misleading and suggests a total lack of
> understanding on your part as to its purpose.
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 12:37 GMT
John,

Whilst you might wish to disagree, I'm sorry to say that to me at least to
make a statement such as "I still don't think that TweakUi is much of a
useful tool"  suggests little more than  ignorance of the many benefits
that can accrue to the user from using this tool.  I wouldn't be without
TweakUI and that's the case for many others and the tool is probably far
more use today in the era of XP and XP 64 than it ever was in the days of
Win 95 when it was first released.  Perhaps you prefer to edit the
registry directly but thanks to TweakUI the benefits of such tweaking are
available to all without the risks of damaging their systems which is what
can result from using regedit.  With one exception any change made using
TweakUI can be easily reversed using the same tool, something that cannot
be said when manually editing the registry.

OTOH you may be one of those who prefers to keep their setup exactly as
decreed by Microsoft and don't want to make any changes.  That's fine but
if that's the case say so rather than criticise a tool that is freely
available, free, and of great benefit to users and is written by a
Microsoft softie rather than a poorly written and possibly costly
substitute of unknown origin written by someone whose intentions may not
always be to help the end user.

So yes, I suspect that it might be best to disagree on this subject.
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> Hi Mike,
>
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>
> Maybe we can agree to disagree and have a drink over it...
David H. Lipman - 29 Oct 2005 13:38 GMT
From: "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

| Hi Mike,
|
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|
| John

I must side with Mike.  I have used TweakUI with;  NT4, Win9x/ME, Win2K, WinXP and Win2003.
It is a powerful tool and is extremely helpful.  Like any tool one must know what they are
using and know that it can have negative consequences under certain circumstances.

I am glad that you "...can agree to disagree...".  ;-)

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Dapper Dan - 29 Oct 2005 19:02 GMT
Is this a fairly good example of a "hijacked" thread ? <VBG>

Thanks for the response, Mike. I'll simply leave the desktop icons as
is.

Dan

> From: "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>
>
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>
> I am glad that you "...can agree to disagree...".  ;-)
Mike M - 29 Oct 2005 19:45 GMT
> Is this a fairly good example of a "hijacked" thread ? <VBG>

LOL.  Maybe.  <vbg>

> Thanks for the response, Mike. I'll simply leave the desktop icons as
> is.

Probably a good idea.

Cheers,
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Joan Archer - 29 Oct 2005 20:50 GMT
<lol> Threads are always getting hijacked in here <g>
Joan

> Is this a fairly good example of a "hijacked" thread ? <VBG>
>
> Thanks for the response, Mike. I'll simply leave the desktop icons as
> is.
>
> Dan
webster72n - 31 Oct 2005 05:20 GMT
John:

To add to your agreement about your disagreement, I would like to make one
more humble statement of my own findings:
TweakUI is *without question* a useful tool, but should not be handled by
inexperienced users, to put it mildly.
It definitely is up to the individual to put it to use or not.
Can I have *my drink* now?

         Harry.

> Hi Mike,
>
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> > destructive is most misleading and suggests a total lack of
> > understanding on your part as to its purpose.
 
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