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Windows Forum / Windows Me / General Topics / January 2006ME Memory problems?
Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus and Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry mechanic on demand to try and keep my system in order. However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group. This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When writing a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the last time it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and received this error: File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7. I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few tips given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS updates, Full Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches using Ad-aware and Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared out some junk, uninstalled various odds and ends not used or recently installed but still I get this problem. I also ran simmtester overnight and the memory passed all tests and CWShredder searched system without finding any problems. In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my free ram seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal boot up I have about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I start running programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet and right now is now showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and the connection icon in my systray. I have also used spybot startup tool to cut down the programs which start on bootup but this is about as far as my limited knowledge takes me. Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely to blue-screen you at any time!!!!! Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the worst happens. If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased. TIA Keithb Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to complete the MS Password process so I could send the message below and my freeram dropped to 204mb. Once completed I closed it and its back up to 216mb!!!!! Help! > Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus and > Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry mechanic on [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased. > TIA Keithb > Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to > complete the MS Password process so I could send the message below > and my freeram dropped to 204mb. Once completed I closed it and its > back up to 216mb!!!!! Memory is there to be used as exemplified by your example above. If you don't want your memory I'm pretty sure that someone else reading this newsgroup could find a use for it if you were to remove it from your PC. Alternatively you could always take a chip out and frame it and hang it on the wall and look at it. :-)  SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com Hi Mike M You were extemely helpful to me when I had a problem with System Restore quite some time ago but quite frankly, your reply to this thread doesn't do much to help. I might be thick but I do understand that programs use memory. What I would appreciate is some helpful comments on why my system is not managing it properly and some friendly advice on how I can sort it out. Regards KeithB > > Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to > > complete the MS Password process so I could send the message below [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Alternatively you could always take a chip out and frame it and hang it on > the wall and look at it. :-) Keith, Please give an example of where your system is not handling memory correctly. Nothing that you have posted to date indicates any problem whatsoever with memory management but instead a quite understandable failure to understand the subject hence my recommending to you that you read Jim Eshelman's article. Don't confuse yourself. Dump FreeRAM it doesn't help and is confusing you. Stick with real problems such as the VMM error and check out your RAM as I suggested. > I might be thick but I do understand that programs use memory. Do you? So why were you surprised that using Incredimail used memory? Memory is used for many purposes including the storage of data for quick recovery, it isn't solely used for program code. Please understand me but memory is there to be used and unused memory is nothing short of wasted memory. OK, that mantra isn't so valid if you have 2GB of RAM but with you running Win Me I somewhat doubt that to be the case and the operating system will quite happily find good use for all the RAM it can handle, certainly up to 512MB. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike M > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > managing it properly and some friendly advice on how I can sort it > out. > File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7. This indicates a problem with the Virtual Memory Manager (VMM) and it's possible that your problem is due to defective memory in which case you might want to try testing your RAM. You can check your RAM by using a product such as Simmtester's free DocMem (http://www.simmtester.com/PAGE/products/doc/docinfo.asp). > In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam Oh dear! FreeRAM does nothing other than use resources. Memory is there to be used. Unused memory is wasted memory. > Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not > releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do > next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but > right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible > thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely > to blue-screen you at any time!!!!! As you say, you don't quite understand what is going on and are concerning yourself quite unnecessarily. Worrying about nothing can bring on serious medical problems - let your PC take the strain and enjoy yourself. <VBG> Have a look at Jim Eshelman's page on memory management at http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus > and Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased. > TIA Keithb Hi Mike Thanks but I mentioned in my first post that I ran simmtester overnight and it showed no errors in 26 passes. Should I try it again? Keith > > File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7. > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased. > > TIA Keithb You might care to expand on "errors such as". For example does every error reference VMM? Only the first of a series is relevant since in a cascade of errors it is the first that is important with the others usually the because of an unstable system following the first error. So "such as" doesn't help. Exact errors only please otherwise those trying to help are in the dark. What worries me and why I won't be continuing to respond is your use of products such as FreeRAM and even Registry Mechanic, the first because it is nothing short of snake oil and the latter because of the serious damage that it can do to a system when used by any other than the very experienced (who would then normally not use such a product). SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike > > Thanks but I mentioned in my first post that I ran simmtester > overnight and it showed no errors in 26 passes. Should I try it again? Hi Mike Do you not think it is reasonable of me to try and resolve these blue screen errors? You are absolutely right that I don't quite understand what is going on but I thought I was doing the right thing in seeking some expert assitance. Another thing I'm afraid I just do not understand is your comment that I'm worrying about nothing and should let my PC take the strain! I would do but it keeps going BLUE!! Anyway, I will remove Freeram and have a look at Jim Eshelman's page. Thanks KeithB > > File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7. > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased. > > TIA Keithb The blue screens are what need to be fixed so forget about the snake oil and registry tools and stick to the essentials. With the further information I have suggested you post, hopefully someone will be able to assist. For myself I am unable to continue this thread as I have to be elsewhere. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Anyway, I will remove Freeram and have a look at Jim Eshelman's page. Mike Thanks for the advice that Freeram and Registry Mechanic dont meet with your approval but I was only trying to resolve my own problem before bothering the experts. Now I know that they can do more harm than good, I will take your advice and clear them out of my system. As for the errors.......they always appear as a blue screen error which is always "Error: 0E: 0028: followed by a code such as C028037E, or C002EFF7. I have only written down these two examples but I know that the C002EFF7 has come up on more than one occasion. Only once has the error related to any file or program and that was when I was updating Spybot and got the VMM(12) error. Anyway, Have a nice day and hopefully someone else can pick this up. Regards Keithb > The blue screens are what need to be fixed so forget about the snake oil > and registry tools and stick to the essentials. With the further [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Anyway, I will remove Freeram and have a look at Jim Eshelman's page. Keith, Just passing by, I didn't expect to be able to get back here today and may not be able to see any reply to this post until tomorrow. OK, I now understand. What I was asking was whether the blue screens were always errors involving VMM or whether other modules were involved. Thanks for clarifying that all of the blue screens involved VMM. Given that you have checked out your RAM and all is OK are you limiting virtual memory in any way? Have you added any entries to the [vcache] section in system.ini that might limit the use of the swap file? By default there are no entries in this section. Are you allowing Win Me to manage memory (System | Performance | Virtual Memory)? How much free space do you have on your C drive? SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Mike > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Anyway, Have a nice day and hopefully someone else can pick this up. At this point, I would also add that I have seen similar problems where incorrect video drivers are loaded (or the correct drivers are loaded, but are conflicting with something) Reboot to Safe Mode Open Device Manager Remove ALL Display Adapters Remove ALL Monitors Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the required drivers - hopefully curing your problem. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Keith, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> Anyway, Have a nice day and hopefully someone else can pick this up. Hi Mike, Thanks for your continued help with this. I checked the system.ini [vcache] and this is what I found......... [vcache] MinFileCache=130048 MaxFileCache=130048 ChunkSize=512 Could this be the problem??? If so. could you please explain why and is it safe to just delete the above entry in a text editor if that is what you suggest? Answers to your other queries are....Yes Windows is managing the memory and I have 8.26GB free space on my 'C' drive. Going back to your disaproval of programs like Registry Mechanic which always seems to find problems and in theory sorts them out.........Do these problems not really exist ? Or if they do what would happen if they are not sorted out?...Or does Windows do all that anyway? Its very convincing to users like myself who have a very limited knowledge of the nitty gritty when you see shedloads of problems theoretically repaired. Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. Many thanks KeithB > Keith, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > Anyway, Have a nice day and hopefully someone else can pick this up. Back again - drawing up accounts and filling in tax returns is such a bore. :-) Comment out all the entries in the section vcache and see if that solves your problem. Do this by opening system.ini using notepad and placing a semi-colon and a space at the start of each of the three lines concerned. The settings you mention are hobbling your PC. For example setting MaxFileCache to 130048 limits the cache to just 128MB and whenever something you are running needs more space and the virtual memory manager is unable to allocate more space you are likely to blue screen with a VMM error. The MinFileCache is less of a problem but I would still remove it as I would ChunkSize. I will make no comment about Registry Mechanic other than that I personally, and this is my opinion only, have absolutely no use for such a tool. What you choose to do is however your choice. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. <lol> John's got one more to do, his own <g> I keep nagging him <g> Joan > Back again - drawing up accounts and filling in tax returns is such a > bore. :-) > <lol> John's got one more to do, his own <g> I keep nagging him <g> Hi Joan, Made a load of progress over the last 24 hours. However I think John might be getting a phone call from me over the weekend. :-) Am currently hunting down a few odd coppers to find the 8p I apparently owe, yes, eight pence. If only my daughter were to be so fortunate. :-( SignatureMike Hi Mike, I've just warned him <g> he's outside busy building guinea pig hutches, his new hobby <g> hence the slow paperwork. He worries the life out of me :-( Joan > Hi Joan, > > Made a load of progress over the last 24 hours. However I think John > might be getting a phone call from me over the weekend. :-) Am > currently hunting down a few odd coppers to find the 8p I apparently > owe, yes, eight pence. If only my daughter were to be so fortunate. :-( He's obviously found an excellent way for disposing of the paperwork Joan, lining the floors of the guinea pig hutches. Eco friendly too!! Mart > Hi Mike, I've just warned him <g> he's outside busy building guinea pig > hutches, his new hobby <g> hence the slow paperwork. He worries the life [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> currently hunting down a few odd coppers to find the 8p I apparently >> owe, yes, eight pence. If only my daughter were to be so fortunate. :-( > He's obviously found an excellent way for disposing of the paperwork > Joan, lining the floors of the guinea pig hutches. Eco friendly too!! I can just see the Inland Revenue, no correction, HM Revenue and Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to recover incriminating evidence. :-) SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com <lol> You both could be right as all our paperwork is shredded and used for bedding, guinea pigs and rats <g> Joan >> He's obviously found an excellent way for disposing of the paperwork >> Joan, lining the floors of the guinea pig hutches. Eco friendly too!! > > I can just see the Inland Revenue, no correction, HM Revenue and > Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to > recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hey Joanie! > <lol> You both could be right as all our paperwork is shredded and used > for bedding, guinea pigs and rats <g> OOohhhHH!! I love guinea pigs and rats! Had them both many times during my life and they are wonderful little pets. I had two rats before I moved from Calif. One was all white (Snowy), and the other was dressed to the nines in a Tux and spats (Herbie). Snowy would perch on my shoulder and watch the cat, and Herbie would traipse all over my desk in great abandon as I worked. He loved to run back and forth across the top of my keyboard, and would run up my arm and give me a quick peck on the cheek, then be off again. He'd slip now and then, and once he got his little foot and leg caught in between the keys, and was writhing and screaming at the top of his lungs until I got him free. I could swear I heard Snowy laughing. He was much more cautious about the keyboard runs after that. He just sorta slowly waddled across from one side to the other. Although, the daily falls off the desk on his head didn't seem to faze him. <g> Jan :) > Joan > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hi Mike Back to business. I removed the [vcache] settings as suggested and thought we had it cracked until this evening when the same error (error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7) reappeared while ripping some CD tracks using Music Match Jukebox. I carried out Noel's suggestion of removing and reinstalling the Video and Monitor drivers, exactly as he said but once again I have received the dreaded blue screen with exactly the same error as above. This time I had connected to the internet and was in the process of linking to this site. I have been through my system and removed some programmes I dont use and tidied up my hard drives, dumping a few empty folders etc and have re-defragged my C Drive again which now strangely shows that I only have 7.6 Gb free space which is less than I had before!! (I have emptied the bin). Think I'm getting seriously fed up with this now and am beginning to wonder if I have to resort to a reinstall of ME then perhaps an upgrade to XP might be worth the effort. Would you recommend that or might my problem possibly be a hardware fault of some kind which would make the upgrade pointless? Look forward to your comments. Keithb > Hey Joanie! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to > >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Disappearing space on the drive in ME can be the result of a corrupted System Restore archive..... Make sure that you have Folder Options set to be able to view Hidden and System files - then navigate tot the C:\ Drive in Explorer - you should see a folder called _Restore (note the underscore!) r-click on it, and select Properties How many files and folders does it show? How much disk space is in use? How big is the C:\ drive space? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Mike > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> >> Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to >> >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hi Noel I have had quite a lot of problems with System Restore over the last year or so and Mike M helped me resolve the worst of these when the hard drive seemed to be going mad and my SR was repeatedly saving a particular file. I can't remember exactly what Mike asked me to do but I think I had to disable SR and change something to stop it saving this info before re-enabling it. Anyway it stopped the HD going mad and it seemed to settle down for a while but has never really worked satisfactorily when I want it to and I have had to disable/renable it several times to get it working but I can't trust it. So...perhaps you are on to something here.......the info you requested is as follows........there are 5 folders and 5 files showing in the _Resore folder but the properties show it is 2.26GB with 961 files in it which sounds a bit high to me. The space set for SR is the maximum 3598mb. Hope you can make something of this for me. Regards Keithb > Disappearing space on the drive in ME can be the result of a corrupted > System Restore archive..... [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > >> >> Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to > >> >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hi Noel Further to your last, sorry I forget to give the C drive info.....I have 17.3Gb in use and 11.9gb free right now but this has been as low as 7. something in recent days. Regards keithb > Hi Noel > [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > >> >> Customs as now is, rooting through guinea pig faeces in an attempt to > > >> >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) It sounds like System Restore is OK - 961 files would be nothing special. A 30GB drive such as yours would default to a 3.6GB allocation for System Restore - which is about what yours shows. I would suggest, however, that you reduce the allocation to around 5-800 MB (one or two notches above the minimum) to prevent potential problems later. - it may take AR a while to FIFO out the older points as you do this, so be prepared for a wait :) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Hi Noel > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] >> > >> >> attempt to >> > >> >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hello Noel and Mike Thanks for your posts this morning..... My slow response to your posts was because my system ground to a halt while typing my reply..........resources shown by the MS Resource meter were down to System 47, User 47 and GDI 52 and i gave up waiting for things to happen and rebooted (my usual solution!) Only IE, Mcafee and Sound control were open at the time. ForNoel.........I will make the changes you recommend Thanks. For Mike.......I'm not discounting the [vcache] settings but didn't think they could be affecting the system after I commented them out of sys.ini. The last things I can remember installing were......most recent first....FreeRam which I have since uninstalled.but my problems existed long before that......the latest MSI Nvidia Geforce4 4200 drivers which have been removed at Noels suggestion...........the latest Windows ME updates (about 2 weeks ago)......and a few weeks ago I installed the Sony Software that came with my W800I mobile/mp3 player. Cant think of anything else......oh yes a program for my grand kids called Hidden Pictures which is quite old (w95) but works fine. It might be worht mentioning and this probably isn't totally legal but I have been trying to copy some of my own DVDs for use on a portable DVD player which Father Christmas bought me with the intention of using it to keep our grandchildren quite on forthcoming holiday journeys. I have been using DVD Xcopy Express which I purchased and installed at least a year ago before they went bust but didn't then get the DVD player .....anyway this worked fine until recently but this too freezes at some point in the process now and always produces a blue screen error .... 0E: 0028: with a different code at the end.......last time it was FF05D108 ....so for what its worth (nothing really!) i still think my problem is with the memory somehow. Hope this gives you some more ideas.....and thanks for your help. Keithb > It sounds like System Restore is OK - 961 files would be nothing special. > A 30GB drive such as yours would default to a 3.6GB allocation for System [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] > >> > >> >> attempt to > >> > >> >> recover incriminating evidence. :-) Hi Keith, Low resources. 47, 47 & 52 isn't low - that's normal for a system in use and Win Me will tell you when you drop into the low teens that you need to close, rather than minimise, running applications and windows before opening a new window. It would appear that there is something odd going on. You say that the SR folder has 961 files. I assume that most are in the TEMP folder in which case it is just possible that the state manager smgr.exe kicked in and started to try and reduce that number by cabbing those that were required to FS*.CAB files in the ARCHIVE folder and discarding the rest. If this hasn't happened for some time it really can take your cpu usage sky high resulting in a really sluggish system. Next time this happens try using a process monitor such as WinTop (part of the equally old Win95 Powertools available from http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/Default.asp) or SysInternals Process Explorer (www.sysinternals.com to see which process is using the cpu cycles and causing the system to become sluggish. I suspect you might find it to be either winmgmt.exe or smgr.exe. Can you please remind me as to how much RAM your system has? Secondly could you perhaps list what you have being launched when you boot your system? This latter is perhaps easiest done by checking what is listed (and checked) in the Startup tab in MSConfig. When you get blue screens I'm not really interested in the hex addresses after 0E: 0028 but always want to know the module named that usually appears before the 0E such as VMM. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hello Noel and Mike > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Hope this gives you some more ideas.....and thanks for your help. That's a wild variation Keith if you are unsure as to what is causing it. With a drive totalling 29GB or so the maximum that should ever be used by SR if set at its maximum of 12% is 3.6GB so that could perhaps just explain the variation in free space you report as having seen if for some reason the entire SR folder was cleared down for some reason. Returning to your VMM blue screens. You seem to have now excluded your vcache settings as being implicated (although I would still leave them commented out), free disk space isn't limiting the size of the swap file and you have earlier checked your RAM which is seemingly OK. Can you remember whether these problems started following the installation of a specific application or driver update? SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hi Noel > > Further to your last, sorry I forget to give the C drive info.....I > have > 17.3Gb in use and 11.9gb free right now but this has been as low as 7. > something in recent days. Mike, Not sure (probably 'don't remember' would be more accurate, but it's been so long) if this would occur in this case (the use of memory managers may suggest a prediliction for the type of software?) but free-space wipers might cause the amount to vary wildly. I believe the mechanism in the one I tried years ago (Destroy-It! 2000) if interrupted (once realising it would take many hours to complete) could leave free space considerably but temporarily diminished. That is, to overwrite free space it created very large temporary files. Shane > That's a wild variation Keith if you are unsure as to what is causing > it. With a drive totalling 29GB or so the maximum that should ever be [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> 17.3Gb in use and 11.9gb free right now but this has been as low as >> 7. something in recent days. Thanks Shane. I hadn't appreciated that this was a possible side effect. As I think you know already I tend not to use much in the way of (f)utilities preferring as performance boosters instead preferring to stick to the likes of Regedit and the Mark I Eyeball. :-) SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > could leave free space considerably but temporarily diminished. That > is, to overwrite free space it created very large temporary files. <vbg> Yes, Mike, as I do indeed know! As for Free Space wipers, I kind of hope it is relevent as I'd like to think *something* useful came of running that thing! I trust Mark is well. Reg too, come to think of it (he may be a little under the weather here in XP). Shane > Thanks Shane. I hadn't appreciated that this was a possible side > effect. As I think you know already I tend not to use much in the way [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> could leave free space considerably but temporarily diminished. That >> is, to overwrite free space it created very large temporary files. Mike, There was much discussion of this setting in the Windows 98 performance group and it was advanced as a "no brainer" that the Vcache had to be limited to around 70% of installed RAM to avoid VMM problems. It may be that Win ME is better without any setting in System.ini, the OP's setting is too great to comply anyway, but I would be interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away from the figure work. Regards , ern. > Back again - drawing up accounts and filling in tax returns is such a > bore. :-) [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > > Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. Ern The 70% figure was devised after a lot of hard work by a couple of guys in test/logging - and applies really only to certain situations in Win98, and seemingly to fewer situations in WinME (although I don't know that anyone has done a similar study in ME) most of these situations are, from what I've been able to see, related to motherboard configuration, and later motherboards seem not to have the same problems that earlier ones did. The question is therefore not 'has ME's control improved' but ' has the motherboard design caught up'? SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > Mike, > There was much discussion of this setting in the Windows 98 performance [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> > >> > Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. Hello Noel and Mike Thanks for your posts this morning..... My slow response to your posts was because my system ground to a halt while typing my reply..........resources shown by the MS Resource meter were down to System 47, User 47 and GDI 52 and i gave up waiting for things to happen and rebooted (my usual solution!) Only IE, Mcafee and Sound control were open at the time. ForNoel.........I will make the changes you recommend Thanks. For Mike.......I'm not discounting the [vcache] settings but didn't think they could be affecting the system after I commented them out of sys.ini. The last things I can remember installing were......most recent first....FreeRam which I have since uninstalled.but my problems existed long before that......the latest MSI Nvidia Geforce4 4200 drivers which have been removed at Noels suggestion...........the latest Windows ME updates (about 2 weeks ago)......and a few weeks ago I installed the Sony Software that came with my W800I mobile/mp3 player. Cant think of anything else......oh yes a program for my grand kids called Hidden Pictures which is quite old (w95) but works fine. It might be worht mentioning and this probably isn't totally legal but I have been trying to copy some of my own DVDs for use on a portable DVD player which Father Christmas bought me with the intention of using it to keep our grandchildren quite on forthcoming holiday journeys. I have been using DVD Xcopy Express which I purchased and installed at least a year ago before they went bust but didn't then get the DVD player .....anyway this worked fine until recently but this too freezes at some point in the process now and always produces a blue screen error .... 0E: 0028: with a different code at the end.......last time it was FF05D108 ....so for what its worth (nothing really!) i still think my problem is with the memory somehow. Hope this gives you some more ideas.....and thanks for your help. Keithb > Ern > The 70% figure was devised after a lot of hard work by a couple of guys in [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >> > > >> > Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. I never saw the motherboard mentioned though drivers raise problems left and right. Thank you, ern. > Ern > The 70% figure was devised after a lot of hard work by a couple of guys in [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > >> > > >> > Anyway, I look forward to your reply tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. It might be a "no brainer" for those running Win 98 (not that I feel it is since it is IMO rarely necessary, for example I never felt the need to constrain vcache when running Win98 or 98SE) but I've never seen such a setting postulated to be appropriate for those running Win Me. Win Me's memory management differs substantially from that in Win 98 and I feel that someone would need to carry out some extensive testing to establish the need for such settings and personally I see little point since with the odd exception such as Keith's post in this thread, I've rarely seen anyone posting with virtual memory problems that weren't tracked down to things such as hardware or limiting the size of the swapfile (or even trying to run without one at all). SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Mike, > There was much discussion of this setting in the Windows 98 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away > from the figure work. It is possibly a fine point but the reason given for such a limit was to leave room for active code in RAM to avoid a crash. It is hard to see how that could be a bad idea in any operating system unless to do so would interfere with the native. I doubt the resources will be devoted to the testing required. Thank you, ern. > Thanks for the suggestion. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away > > from the figure work. Perhaps this scenario can help someone. For quite some time, I've had ME with the Swapfile disabled...the system.ini entries for Vcache are 'disabled' with a semicolons in front and I have 512MB RAM. The problem with utilities that free up RAM is they most often (always?) shove it into the Swapfile, which becomes an unwieldy bunch of blobs on the HD. It's deletable via a minimal boot-up but I don't having to do that. I do use a free-up RAM utility called 'MaxMem' because running certain types of 'scans' seem to gobble memory and this utility lets me clear RAM when I need it. http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/system/maxmem.htm I don't think one can 'get away with' this having less than 512MB RAM. If this pertains to the questions at hand, good. Happy Lunar New Year!!! 'mo' > It is possibly a fine point but the reason given for such a limit was to leave > room for active code in RAM to avoid a crash. It is hard to see how that could [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away > > > from the figure work. Thanks Mo for your comments. Things seem to be getting worse as when I clicked on "Connect to the Internet" just now, I was blue screened with a "Windows Protection Error" and had to reboot. When I connected eventually I reached exactly this point and the system froze again but no blue screen or error so I'm pretty fed up with the whole thing now. Anyway, the experts seems to have given up on me and are just chatting amongst themselves now so I shall plod on on my own. Hopefully i will have a "eureka" moment or maybe I will kick the PC so hard it wont matter anymore! Regards keithb > Perhaps this scenario can help someone. For quite some time, I've had ME > with the Swapfile disabled...the system.ini entries for Vcache are [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away > > > > from the figure work. This is not a recommended configuration but you may get away with it for quite a time or crash tomorrow. Good luck, ern. > Perhaps this scenario can help someone. For quite some time, I've had ME > with the Swapfile disabled...the system.ini entries for Vcache are [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > interested to hear your comment on that if you can drag yourself away > > > > from the figure work. It's ok erinie, I'm not having crashes, blue screens or any problems, but thanks. 'mo' > This is not a recommended configuration but you may get away with it for > quite a time or crash tomorrow. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > away > > > > > from the figure work. |
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