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webster72n - 23 May 2006 04:55 GMT
Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following your instructions, I still get the very same error message and nothing changed from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

       Harry
Mart - 23 May 2006 06:40 GMT
Harry,

> I still get the very same error message and
> nothing changed from the way it was before.

Please give the EXACT error message - and, under what conditions.

Just to recap :-

When things were normal <g> what were ALL your 'original' drive letters,
according to Windows Explorer and what drives did you have connected?  (e.g.
A=FDD, C=HDD0, D=HDD1, E=CD-ROM[reader], F=CD-ROM[burner] etc.,)

Are they ALL still shown in WE now and what are their current drive letters?

Have you confirmed (and tested) the CD-ROM's in Real Mode DOS?

BTW - can you please try to remember to post in Plain Text in the News
Groups.

Mart

Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following your
instructions, I still get the very same error message and nothing changed
from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

       Harry.
webster72n - 23 May 2006 18:07 GMT
Mart:

Thanks for the reply, but where is Noel? Hope he is not ill.
Concerning your question about my drives, I'm a bit at a loss, because of
what happened in between with my harddrive, if you can recall. When fixing
that, I came across a feature to partition unallocated space and I went
ahead to do that. It worked too, but in the process the new drive became 'E'
and CD-Rom went from 'E' to 'F', leaving the error messages unchanged.
Also I seem to recall CD-ROM being 'R/W' instead of just 'W'.
As for the rest of your question, I need specific instructions for producing
the required information. I did send my aida32-report to Noel with no
response.
To tell you the truth, I'm at the end of my tolerance and ready to replace
the CD-ROM drive in the hope this will fix it.
The exact error messages are:
"The disk in drive F is not formatted. Do you want to format it now?"
Clicking on "Yes" brings up:
"This drive cannot be formatted".
Next I get the message:
"The disk in drive F cannot be formatted.."
An inserted disk is not recognized and , as a matter of fact, none of the
specific abilities/properties of the drive show up, including 'Format' and
'Eject', with eject still being listed and format not.

       Harry.

> Harry,
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>         Harry.
TomV - 23 May 2006 21:41 GMT
Harry,

FWIW, it seems the source of your problem with this issue may be the
fact that you partitioned the unallocated space on the hard disk.  Where
did you come "across a feature to partition unallocated space?"  When
you created the new partition, did the "feature" you reference re-map
the drives?  If not, I suspect you've got quite a mess on your hands and
thus the reason you're seeing the error message(s).

Tom

> Mart:
>
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>         Harry.
Mart - 23 May 2006 22:02 GMT
Tom, with respect, this "feature to partition unallocated space" is another
V E R Y  L O N G  saga (12-18 months?) filling many News Group column
inches, for which everyone and his dog has tried to get Harry to fix. Best
left well alone <g>

> .. I suspect you've got quite a mess on your hands

Couldn't possibly comment <g>

Mart

> Harry,
>
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>>         Harry.
TomV - 24 May 2006 00:00 GMT
Hi, Mart,

Thanks for the heads up.  I recall the partitioning issue from many
months ago.  I didn't realize it was that long ago. ;)

It sounded in Harry's response though that he had entered the "partition
zone" again.  If so, it seemed that it might identify a potential cause
of the current issue.  I certainly don't want to revisit territory
that's already been well charted.  :)

Tom

> Tom, with respect, this "feature to partition unallocated space" is another
> V E R Y  L O N G  saga (12-18 months?) filling many News Group column
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> Mart
Mart - 24 May 2006 01:01 GMT
LOL - But I suppose it does depend upon exactly which facet of his 'current
issues' you wish to forensically debate.

Sherlock Holmes, eat your heart out. <g>

Mart

> Hi, Mart,
>
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>>
>> Mart
TomV - 24 May 2006 05:33 GMT
I've always been a fan of good mysteries.  That must be the draw. ;)

> LOL - But I suppose it does depend upon exactly which facet of his 'current
> issues' you wish to forensically debate.
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>>> Mart
Heather - 24 May 2006 06:09 GMT
> I've always been a fan of good mysteries.  That must be the draw. ;)

Perfect lead in......I have a problem with Firefox and have looked on
the Forum and tried some of the troubleshooting things (safe mode,
etc)....but it keeps hanging on me since that last update to 5.0.3.  Am
about to uninstall and reinstall it.  Any thoughts?

Would removing my 2 extensions and 4 themes perhaps help??  Just have
IEView and Foxytunes.  I would like to get it working properly before I
set up the router again (groan!!).

Cheers...Heather

>> LOL - But I suppose it does depend upon exactly which facet of his
>> 'current issues' you wish to forensically debate.
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>>>> Mart
Mart - 24 May 2006 11:25 GMT
Heather, being a 'simple soul' and unlike Harry, I try to keep to the bare
minimum 'essentials' on my machines <g> I don't, and never have, used
Firefox, I have always used IE which has never given me any particular
hassle.

> ...  Am about to uninstall and reinstall it.  Any thoughts?

What about just 'uninstalling' it only. And (re)learn to live with IE. It's
not that bad. Fit for purpose! - a 'new' phrase going around the UK at
present (or not!!)

Bell's,  Whistle's,  who needs them? Self inflicted misery perhaps? Ah! but
we're back to Harry's problems again.

Mart

>> I've always been a fan of good mysteries.  That must be the draw. ;)
>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Mart
Heather - 24 May 2006 19:54 GMT
Hun.....I am not Harry and I don't have a lot of junk on here.  BUT, I
do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working properly
again.  I run a lean machine......other than a bunch of mp3's, LOL.  I
don't even have enough anti-malware on here according to some of the
paranoid types I know.  But I don't venture to places where it might be
lurking.....and I don't get malware, period.

I have been using IE6 and it is OK, but there are some things that
Firefox just does better and it is not a virus magnet.  Yet.

Kissies from Canada....Heather

> Heather, being a 'simple soul' and unlike Harry, I try to keep to the
> bare minimum 'essentials' on my machines <g> I don't, and never have,
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>>>>>> Mart
Shane - 24 May 2006 20:33 GMT
Presumably you update your extensions, Figgsy? I certainly don't get
problems with the majority. A few builds back updating FF caused errors with
the Noscript extension, that required uninstalling then re-installing
without that extension, for FF to run without crashing. Once the new
Noscript extension had been installed it ran well and has done ever since.
Ieview has never caused problems here, but I've never used Foxytunes. Why
not uninstall that and see if it helps? As you know they're dead easy to
reinstall.

FF itself hasn't caused a prob here other than the time it takes to
initially open, which annoys me - but, of course, it's pluses far outweigh
the one con!

Just love hitting Open On Tabs and having an entire folder's worth of
bookmarks open seperately! Mart is doing himself. Reminds me of all those
years I didn't touch Jap bikes, then borrowed a CB900F2!

Shane

> Hun.....I am not Harry and I don't have a lot of junk on here.  BUT, I
> do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working properly
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>>>>>>> Mart
Heather - 24 May 2006 20:41 GMT
Yep.....update them all the time.  Removed the Foxytunes one, which I
really don't need and tried it out for a few minutes and FF ran
OK.....perhaps that was the culprit.

Mart doesn't know what he is missing.  I find it to be faster than
IE.....or as fast.  Plus the tabs can't be beat.  And there are numerous
little things that MS would be wise to incorporate in IE.  Love the fact
that the URL's disappear after 2 days of not using them.  Silly things
like that.  8-)))

Figgs

> Presumably you update your extensions, Figgsy? I certainly don't get
> problems with the majority. A few builds back updating FF caused
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>>>>>>>> Mart
Mart - 25 May 2006 00:20 GMT
> Mart doesn't know what he is missing.

Heather, judging by the your ongoing correspondence (elsewhere in this
thread) with Firefox 'issues' then it would seem 'not a lot'. It appears
that I don't browse enough. BTW - Tabs? Are they like Favorites?

Mart

> Yep.....update them all the time.  Removed the Foxytunes one, which I
> really don't need and tried it out for a few minutes and FF ran
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>>>>>>>>> Mart
Heather - 25 May 2006 03:38 GMT
One issue.....and I think Tom sorted it out.

No....tabs means you can have 2 or 5 or 10 (or any number) windows open
at once and switch back and forth between them.  Can't do that with IE.
Handy for instance when I am researching places to stay on our
holidays....I have several hotels up at the same time and switch back
and forth to compare them.

Got most of the holiday booked btw......heading down to Prince Edward
Island with Elayne cuz she wants to see where her Cumberland ancestors
emigrated to in 1820.  She stayed in their house in Scotland last
June......Bowness, Part Deux is this year, lol.

Heather
>> Mart doesn't know what he is missing.
>
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>>>>>>>>>> Mart
Shane - 25 May 2006 05:53 GMT
Actually, Figgs - and Mart - Tabbed Browsing is one of the changes in IE7!
Though Firefox still did it better last time I checked. Still, the gap is
closing.

One way perhaps to look at it is like how, with the success of low-cost
airlines, British Airways started one to compete (and, presumably, in an
attempt to drive the competition out of business). But still Easyjet do it
better. No longer so sure about Ryanair, after the Channel 4 documentary!

(If that catches the eye of anyone looking up 'ryanair', consider that this
country's excellent air-safety record makes us more aware of the possibility
of dying on the runway, without ever having taken off! It's not like planes
don't catch fire).

A major issue of IE6, as I see it, is how High Security is not really
'high', and how Privacy tab's Cookie handling favours big companies, eg
advertisers.

A major issue of IE7 is it doesn't install in 9x!

Mart, what you're missing is having privacy issues dealt with by a
highly-competent 'little guy', rather than by a big corporation who, like
the rest of the English-speaking world's big corporations, consider big
business customers to be the only one's who really matter.

Shane

> One issue.....and I think Tom sorted it out.
>
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Mart - 25 May 2006 08:29 GMT
Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I want to
switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open and tile or
cascade them etc.), I just open extra copies of IE. Not that I've ever
needed 10 (or even 5) open at once. But I just tried 5 and didn't have a
problem in IE6 - or am I missing something else?

Regarding 'privacy issues', then may be a little more impressed - but as I
use Ad-Aware etc.', am I really disadvantaged that much? Just seems like
something else to go wrong - but perhaps if I did more browsing <g>

Nah! - I'll take my chances with IE6 and wait for IE7 (and  I don't fly
Ryanair either <g>) The expression "Eye-Candy" springs to mind.

Cynical - Moi??

Mart

> Actually, Figgs - and Mart - Tabbed Browsing is one of the changes in IE7!
> Though Firefox still did it better last time I checked. Still, the gap is
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Noel Paton - 25 May 2006 08:43 GMT
> Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I want to
> switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open and tile or
> cascade them etc.), I just open extra copies of IE. Not that I've ever
> needed 10 (or even 5) open at once.

My record is somewhere around 27, IIRC.... most of them in use :)

But I just tried 5 and didn't have a
> problem in IE6 - or am I missing something else?

Tabbed windows do have their advantages - but I think they've been overhyped

> Regarding 'privacy issues', then may be a little more impressed - but as I
> use Ad-Aware etc.', am I really disadvantaged that much? Just seems like
> something else to go wrong - but perhaps if I did more browsing <g>

teh privacy/security thing has to be balanced against ease-of-use - if you
want the same functionality out of FF as you get out of IE, then there's not
a lot to choose from, by the time you have all the widget installed and
running... although, granted there are fewer current exploits out there for
FF, it's only a matter of time.....

> Nah! - I'll take my chances with IE6 and wait for IE7 (and  I don't fly
> Ryanair either <g>) The expression "Eye-Candy" springs to mind.

IE7 is pretty good (includes RSS, etc..)... and Windows Mail (the next
incarnation of OE) has some neat things in it, too -  but is not going to be
bundled with IE any more, AIUI.

> Cynical - Moi??

Nah - or at least no more than I!

:)

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Mart - 25 May 2006 10:03 GMT
LOL - and cheers Noel,

> My record is somewhere around 27, IIRC.... most of them in use :)

Well that really does arouse and fire-up my interest (not!) <g> I already
have enough trouble when trying to multitask with two or more items of
anything anyway!

> Tabbed windows do have their advantages
> - but I think they've been overhyped

Sounds about right.

> and Windows Mail (the next incarnation of OE)
> ... is not going to be bundled with IE any more, AIUI.

and may not be a bad thing?  Thanks for the heads-up.

Mart (the Luddite)

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Shane - 25 May 2006 10:19 GMT
>> Tabbed windows do have their advantages
>> - but I think they've been overhyped
>
> Sounds about right.

The two of you must read a lot of shite if you hear of things like 'tabbed
browsing' being hyped, let alone 'over'!

>> and Windows Mail (the next incarnation of OE)
>> ... is not going to be bundled with IE any more, AIUI.
>
> and may not be a bad thing?  Thanks for the heads-up.
>
> Mart (the Luddite)

Well, I was, Mart. That's exactly why I didn't get a computer until
late-2000! And I'd still like to uninvent the things.

Shane
Shane - 25 May 2006 10:27 GMT
There, just wanted to see if that would get through! <vbg>

Wonder if it'll stay!

Shane

>>> Tabbed windows do have their advantages
>>> - but I think they've been overhyped
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>
> Shane
Mart - 25 May 2006 11:31 GMT
Shane, if you were referring to :-

> The two of you must read a lot of shxxe
> if you hear of things like 'tabbed browsing' being hyped, let alone
> 'over'!

I've NEVER heard of 'tabbed browsing' before it was mentioned in this
thread. I thought it was only coined here - but could be a reflection on the
under-hype <g>

BTW - If you were referring to the expletive, well seemingly it did get
thru' - but will it get deleted?

Mart

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Shane - 25 May 2006 11:48 GMT
> Shane, if you were referring to :-
>
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> thread. I thought it was only coined here - but could be a reflection
> on the under-hype <g>

There's a term *I've* never heard. If you've coined that one, perhaps I'll
hype it! Not sure what that would become though...

> BTW - If you were referring to the expletive, well seemingly it did
> get thru' - but will it get deleted?

I wonder. And I wonder if an apostrophe went in front of the 'e', followed
by an 'ad' (if he who one is sorely tempted to name shows up again), would
that get through?

Shane
Shane - 25 May 2006 10:07 GMT
I use both, Mart. Thus I use each for what it's better at, simple as that.
It's a pita to have to keep regaining focus in one window because IE always
gives it to the new one. But like I say, IE7 is going that way.

For quite some time I've been checking multiple AV and Anti-Spyware sites
for updates, for updating my DOS scanner cds. If I do it every day it really
does get to be a pita having to open each individually, and as I say regain
focus if, say, one site takes longer to load and does while I'm halfway
through trying to update from a different one and suddenly that's the active
window!

In Firefox, at the bottom of any bookmarks folder is a button 'Open In
Tabs'. Hit that and all sites in that folder open in their own tabbed
window, and the first remains first. You can do this in a folder containing
20 bookmarks, 30 bookmarks, I don't know what the limit is. It works well
and is far, far better than IE for this. My point there would be that maybe
you don't want this facility, but it is certainly not eye candy if you
regularly want the same multiple sites open.

Noel points out the potential for increased security issues, presumably as
FF takeup grows. I agree. This is something I have always pointed out
myself, when FF zealots make claims such as it is secure, but for me to
bring it up here would have been irrelevent. Still I imagine it will always
be more secure than IE, because MS - the eye candy kings, let's face it - is
only interested in security when it threatens to hit sales. As it is,
Firefox is generally more precisely configurable than IE in Security and
Privacy terms.

Best way to get the dope on Privacy issues in IE is to read Eric Howes
(IE-Spyad) pages, but it's fairly heavy going on account of there's so much!

Here's something you can do. Not even sure Noel appreciates this! Say you
have 50 *.htm files saved - in my case these will be articles on different
aircraft. You can open Firefox's Bookmarks\Manage Bookmarks, create a new
folder and drag those files into it and now you have a great no. of
shortcuts to files on your own hd. Go back later, open FF, go into Bookmarks
and with one button (Open In Tabs, of course!) you can reopen,
simultaneously, every one of those *.htm files. Dead useful if you want to
check each one without forgetting which you have. Also, say you're looking
for an article that's difficult to find with a search, as the string you'd
use is in many other files. This way you can rapidly view each file with a
minimum of movement and clicking. Then when you find the file you want, you
can close all tabs other than the one you're looking at, with two clicks.

Again, that may not be of use to even the majority of people, but it's
bloody useful nonetheless for the rest of us!

Another thing that annoys me (don't suppose Laura's looking <vbg>) are web
sites with the r-click function disabled! I mean, I don't entirely disable
scripting in IE, I just disable it everywhere but in the Trusted Zone. In
Firefox you can partially disable it, thus go to a site you trust and allow
scripting but not for disabling the r-click function, resizing windows etc.
iow, go to a site in IE that you want to, say, View Source in and as soon as
you r-click get a box saying 'Function Disabled', all you need do is copy
the url and paste it into Firefox.

As for Ryanair, who I've used many times, every single time getting to S.
France cheaper than I can now get to London by train, I've always got the
seat I wanted (exit seat with father along, windows seat about 10ft behind
the wing any other time), they've served either Johnny Walker Red or Jack
Daniels, have never had a fatality, do not use the old 737 200 or 300 series
that account for virtually every 737 crash and, last time I went with them
the 737-800 was brand new!

Mind the only time I've gone EasyJet - who've also never had a fatality - it
was a brand new Airbus A319. Do love brand new aircraft!

The first time I went Ryanair, you could make the seat move, ie it didn't
appear securely bolted to the floor...

And as for BA, I invite the world to read about the no. of times Concorde
got a punctured fuel tank before they actually did something about it. Not
all of the incidents involved fuel tanks, but a helluva lot did!

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Type=081

I had a very nice Smoked Salmon and Watercress roll on British Midland in
the mid-90's, but best I ever flew was BCal. Remember Caledonian Girls
anyone? ;-)

Shane

> Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I
> want to switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open
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Mart - 25 May 2006 10:24 GMT
Thanks for your most helpful and interesting response Shane. Quite amusing
too. And, I agree, 'Tabs' certainly fits your needs.

However, for the moment at least, I'm going to do a "Harry" and will
investigate further 'when I have time'

Harry - Ooops.. Mart

My Gxd - I even sound like him - its catching!!

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Joan Archer - 25 May 2006 10:56 GMT
<lol> Now come on Mart be sensible <g>
Joan

> Thanks for your most helpful and interesting response Shane. Quite
> amusing too. And, I agree, 'Tabs' certainly fits your needs.
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>
> <snipped>
Mart - 25 May 2006 11:13 GMT
Joan, you don't have to have a sense of humour to visit the WinMe news
groups - but it certainly helps!

Mart

> <lol> Now come on Mart be sensible <g>
> Joan

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Noel Paton - 25 May 2006 23:03 GMT
Lunacy is the only requirement! <g>

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> Joan, you don't have to have a sense of humour to visit the WinMe news
> groups - but it certainly helps!
>
> Mart
Shane - 26 May 2006 10:11 GMT
I think both statements are probably true.

Shane

> Lunacy is the only requirement! <g>
>
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>>
>> Mart
Joan Archer - 24 May 2006 21:05 GMT
I tried Firefox but wasn't that impressed, now I use Maxthon which is a
shell that runs on IE but gives you some nice features like tab browsing
and such <g>
Joan

> Hun.....I am not Harry and I don't have a lot of junk on here.  BUT, I
> do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working properly
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>
> Kissies from Canada....Heather
webster72n - 25 May 2006 03:10 GMT
Hey:
I would venture to say that you have more *junk* on your machine right now
than I do, pussycat.

      Harry.

> Hun.....I am not Harry and
            <thank heaven for that>
I don't have a lot of junk on here.  BUT, I
> do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working properly
> again.  I run a lean machine......other than a bunch of mp3's, LOL.  I
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mart
TomV - 24 May 2006 19:21 GMT
Hi, Heather,

How are you?  You could try systematically removing extensions and
themes to see if resolves the issue.  I'd suggest starting with
Foxytunes.  If removing the extension solves the problem, you can then
try reinstalling it using the latest version of the extension.  I've not
used Foxytunes, but I do use IEView.  I've had no problems with the
latest Firefox release both on WinME and XP.

Here's a link (you may have seen this already) that walks you through
troubleshooting "hanging" problems with FF.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_hangs

Let me know how you fare.

Cheers,
Tom

>> I've always been a fan of good mysteries.  That must be the draw. ;)
>
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>
> Cheers...Heather
Heather - 24 May 2006 19:51 GMT
Hi Tom.....

Just fine here.....thanks.  I removed the Foxytunes extension and I am
running with just 4 themes.

I have a crazy question here, but it is not addressed on the Forum.
Didn't check your link, but I am sure it is the troubleshooting "hang"
one I used (safe mode, etc).

Mozilla Firefox shows up in TWO places on my C Drive.  Well, THREE,
counting Programs.  And I can't help thinking that one of the two
shouldn't be there.  \

One is under Docs & settings/Heather/Application Data.....this one seems
to be the active one, EXCEPT for one folder....the Cache Folder.  This
one has a *Cache.Trash* folder that never has anything in it.

The second one it under Local Settings/Application Data and this one
seems to be an old one, EXCEPT for 2 folders.  All my cache junk goes in
the folder aptly named *Cache*.....not *Cache.Trash*.  The other active
one is the Extensions Folder.

Does any of the above make sense to you????  If you want to take this to
private email, I think I sent you my new address at Rogers.  If not, I
will check and fire it off.  I am sure something is wrong here.

Cheers.....Heather
> Hi, Heather,
>
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>>
>> Cheers...Heather
webster72n - 24 May 2006 02:16 GMT
Tom:
The partitioning took place 'after' the CDRTC isssue and it is part of the
'Lifeguard Tools' for the harddrive itself. No problems with that.
In other words, no connection between the two.
Thanks anyhow.

        Harry.

> Harry,
>
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> >
> >         Harry.
webster72n - 23 May 2006 19:34 GMT
It must have escaped my attention, Mart, but how does one "confirm" the
CD-ROM (there's only one) in Real Mode DOS?
Somehow I have the suspicion, that's where the problem originated.

            Harry.

> Harry,
>
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>
>         Harry.
Heather - 23 May 2006 19:50 GMT
What in heck is "REAL MODE DOS"????  Is this Merkin-speak for something?

WinME doesn't have DOS.  So pardon me if I ask you what in h*ll you are
talking about.

I think it is about time you took that machine into a tech who knows
what he is doing and forget mucking about yourself......you usually
screw it up good!!  And then do another reinstall.....#65 coming up??  I
have lost track.

HF

> It must have escaped my attention, Mart, but how does one "confirm"
> the
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>>         Harry.
webster72n - 23 May 2006 20:03 GMT
What'n the h*** are you raving about, Heather?
All you have to do is, look at Mart's last thread, I didn't make that up. As
for the rest of your comments, I can do without, thank you.

       Harry.

> What in heck is "REAL MODE DOS"????  Is this Merkin-speak for something?
>
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> >>
> >>         Harry.
Mart - 23 May 2006 21:26 GMT
First a note to Heather :-

It's been a  V E R Y  L O N G  trek Heather, - around the houses, but Harry
and I are (I hope) making some progress, albeit three forward and two back.
I hope to nail the issue of a 'suspect' CD-ROM (writer) so please bear with
me.

BTW - Real Mode DOS - as per WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk. Oh! and Harry, NOT
Safe Mode!!

Now to Harry, put your Error Report to one side for a moment - with a bit of
luck things *should* become clearer.

You need to try to determine whether the problem with your CD-ROM drive is a
WinMe/Software issue or a genuine 'faulty' CD-ROM and/or associated
cabling/connections.

Boot, using your WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk in the A: drive.
Select option 2. Start computer with CD-ROM support.

Let the screen information scroll until you eventually see a line which
should report a drive letter for your CD-ROM.  You should be aware that the
drive letter may not necessarily the same letter as you would expect to see
in Windows.

For example, you may see the CD-ROM becoming the E:, so the screen should
show:
> Drive E:= Driver MSCD001 UNIT 0
> Your CD-ROM Is Drive E

When the boot disk finally settles down, you will be presented with an A:\>
prompt.

Now put a 'good' data CD (e.g. cover disk from a magazine) into the CD-ROM
and at the A:\> prompt, type "E:"
(no quotes and note the colon after the letter E) Then Press Return.

Now, at the E:\> prompt, type "DIR /P" (no quotes and note the space) Then
press Return.

You should see a listing of the CD contents.

Come back with your results. Give EXACT errors reports - if any.

Mart

> What'n the h*** are you raving about, Heather?
> All you have to do is, look at Mart's last thread, I didn't make that up.
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>> >>         Harry.
webster72n - 24 May 2006 02:19 GMT
Thank you, Mart, in between chores I am trying to take care of this.
Printed your instructions and will execute.
Give me some time, please.

           Harry.

> First a note to Heather :-
>
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> >> >>
> >> >>         Harry.
webster72n - 24 May 2006 03:53 GMT
I actually enjoyed doing this, Mart.
There were no error reports and I did get the listing of the CD contents.
This was on drive 'G', the virtual drive, I believe.
I also tried the same with the actual cd-rom drive 'F' with these results
(without a cd in it):
"Volume in drive F is MS-RAMDRIVE, Directory of F:\
  ATTRIB EXE       15,252     06-07-00     8:05p
  CHKDSK EXE     (omitted to ease operation)
  COMMAND COM                    "
  DEBUG EXE                               "
  EDIT COM                                  "
  EXTRACT EXE                            "
  FORMAT COM                            "
  HELP BAT                                     "
  MSCDEX EXE                               "
  README TXT                                "
  SCANDISK EXE                             "
  SCANDISK INI                                "
  SYS COM                                          "
                         14 file(s)       655.851 bytes
                            0 dir(s)    1,427,456 bytes free."

By the looks of it I may have omitted one of the files, there are only
thirteen upon counting. If it should matter, I will give you the possibly
missing one later.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

         Harry.

> First a note to Heather :-
>
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> >> >>
> >> >>         Harry.
John John - 24 May 2006 04:09 GMT
Is that the FORMAT command that I saw there?

> I actually enjoyed doing this, Mart.
> There were no error reports and I did get the listing of the CD contents.
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>>>>>>        Harry.
John John - 24 May 2006 04:18 GMT
And where did chkdsk come from???

> Is that the FORMAT command that I saw there?
>
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>>>>>>>        Harry.
webster72n - 24 May 2006 04:40 GMT
John:

I have the sneaking suspision that those are the contents of the startup
floppy. When I tried to confirm, I discovered the floppy drive not being
able to read either. Somewhere along the way, when booting with the startup
disk, I've seen the word 'Adaptec' and it makes me wonder, after I deleted
all evidence of it.
I also have a 100MB zip drive as Floppy B, but that one works.

      Harry.

> And where did chkdsk come from???
>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>        Harry.
Noel Paton - 24 May 2006 09:05 GMT
They are, indeed, the contents of the Floppy, Harry  - as you should well
know by how (we've told you often enough!), Win ME increments the CD drive
letters by one when booting from a floppy in order to insert a RAMDRIVE into
the created space.
This is because of the enumeration order forced by DOS/FAT boots.
It looks to me as if your CD works fine - so it is indeed a software problem

WRT your Floppy not working, this is because, with another floppy in there,
it's trying to read one at the same time as reading another - try  - with
the boot floppy still in the drive -  "dir B:\" - and then swap the floppies
when directed.

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> John:
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>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>        Harry.
webster72n - 24 May 2006 20:06 GMT
Noel:

A slight misunderstanding about the floppies, I didn't have both disks
inserted at the same time, but checked them seperately with the A-drive
asking to insert a disk, when one is in the drive already . The B-drive
without a disk in "A" is working properly.
Therefore I get a negative message (like "cannot find" or something like
it), when executing the command "dir B:\"
That brings up the question are the drive letters "out of sequence" and, if
so, how can it be corrected?
Also you keep mentioning "software" as the problem. I removed everything I
was told. What else is there that I can do to solve it?
This is "my last straw".

       Harry.

> They are, indeed, the contents of the Floppy, Harry  - as you should well
> know by how (we've told you often enough!), Win ME increments the CD drive
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> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>        Harry.
Mart - 24 May 2006 09:06 GMT
Harry,

Please, please, please, .........

Please just follow the instructions, Harry.

Boot, using your WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk in the A: drive.
Select option 2. Start computer with CD-ROM support.

Let the screen information scroll until you eventually see a line which
should report a drive letter for your CD-ROM.

****You should be aware that the drive letter may not necessarily the same
letter as you would expect to see in Windows.****

NOTE THE FIRST WORDS OF THE NEXT LINE!!!!!!!

***For example,**** you may see the CD-ROM becoming the E:, so the screen
should show:
> Drive E:= Driver MSCD001 UNIT 0
> Your CD-ROM Is Drive E

THE CD-ROM MAY BECOME THE Z DRIVE FOR ALL IT MATTERS !!

JUST USE THE LETTER IT TELLS YOU

When the boot disk finally settles down, you will be presented with an A:\>
prompt.

Now put a 'good' data CD (e.g. cover disk from a magazine) into the CD-ROM
and at the A:\> prompt, type "E:" (OR WHATEVER IT TOLD YOU ABOVE)
(no quotes and note the colon after the letter E) Then Press Return.

"E" IS AN EXAMPLE HARRY - USE THE ACTUAL LETTER SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN!!!!

Now, at the E:\> prompt, type "DIR /P" (no quotes and note the space) Then
press Return.

You should see a listing of the CD contents.

Come back with your results. Give EXACT errors reports - if any.

If you can see some sort of listing then your CD-ROM is probably OK

(please don't print the listing, the fact that you see one is all that
matters - as long as it's the listing of the contents of the CD!!!!!!)

If you see anything else e.g. Cannot find disk, Abort, Retry, etc., then you
have a faulty CD-ROM (or associated cabling etc.)

Mart

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webster72n - 24 May 2006 19:22 GMT
Mart:

May I say "please" now?
I did exactly what you said and came up with a positive result.
In other words, the cd-rom drive is okey. All I did was go one step further
and examined the "fixed" cd-rom drive "F" for "confirmation.
Now I am going to try Noel's advice and see whether I'll be able to "fix"
the software problem I'm apparently having, or a shift in drive letters.
With your help I know I can manage.
Thank you so very much for your patient assistance.

           Harry.

> Harry,
>
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>
> <snipped>
Mart - 25 May 2006 01:01 GMT
Harry, I don't know what you are meaning when you say :-

> ..and examined the "fixed" cd-rom drive "F"
> for "confirmation.

and

> .... or a shift in drive letters.

But let's not worry about those for the moment. Let's just take one step at
a time.

Oh! and BTW, at least for the moment, please don't "try Noel's advice and
see whether (You)'ll be able to "fix" the software problem (You're)
apparently having," Not until we can unravel/interpret/determine exactly
what you mean in some of your descriptive reports.

Having now 'proved' that your CD-ROM [reader/writer] is now OK (although we
haven't yet actually *proved* that it will write - that comes later) could
you now please do the following :-

Boot into Normal Mode WinMe and list ALL drives (descriptions) and their
letters exactly as shown in Windows Explorer. Don't worry if there are no
discs actually loaded in the A:, Zip:, or CD-ROM drives, just give the above
information please.

Are they listed in the order (and letters) in which you *think/thought* they
ought to have been listed?

Are there any drives not shown which you *think* should be show - or any
shown, which you *think* should be not be shown?

Bed time here, so it will be morning before I see your response.

Mart

> Mart:
>
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>
>            Harry.
<snipped>
webster72n - 24 May 2006 04:29 GMT
Mart:
To make matters worse, I can't read the Floppy A either. With the disk
inserted, it asks me to insert one.

         Harry.

> I actually enjoyed doing this, Mart.
> There were no error reports and I did get the listing of the CD contents.
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>         Harry.
webster72n - 23 May 2006 20:44 GMT
Mart:

In Safe Mode the "Compact Disk (F)" doesn't show as in windows.
In Device Manager the "Teac CD-W58E" is listed also
But it lost its ability to read and that's entirely possible, as mentioned
before. In that instance a replacement is the only solution.
As far as I am concerned: 'case closed!'

           Harry.

> Harry,
>
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>
>         Harry.
Mart - 23 May 2006 21:48 GMT
Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan) as the
drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in Windows
Explorer. See my other reply.

Mart

> Mart:
>
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>>
>>         Harry.
webster72n - 25 May 2006 03:43 GMT
Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
Will try my best to accomodate you. First the drive list:
        3 1/2 Floppy (A:)            (not reading)*
        3 1/2 Floppy (B:)        (Iomega Zip100 & working)*
        Local Disk (C:)                (working)*
        Local Disk (D:)                (working)*
        Local Disk (E:)                 (working)*
        Compact Disk (F:)            (not reading)*
                                            * = (pers. comments).
I realize the fact, not being able to see the CD-ROM drive in Safe Mode.
What I can do in safe mode is, access my Floppy A drive.
Since I have a DOS installation diskette for my CD-ROM Driver, I would like
to utilize it, only it tells me, "If you run an MS-DOS program in safe mode,
you risk corrupting the video display or experiencing anomalties. Do you
want to run the program anyway?"
The choices are "Yes" and "No". What say ye?
Whatever else of what I said you don't understand, please ignore.
By now I seem convinced that both non-reading drives are in need of
replacement. I could be wrong, of course.

        Harry.

> Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan) as the
> drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in Windows
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> >>
> >>         Harry.
Noel Paton - 25 May 2006 07:55 GMT
Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
properly (at least in DOS)!!!
the floppy also appears to be working OK in Windows, from what I remember of
this incredibly convoluted thread.
Are you saying that the Floppy will not read in Normal Mode, but will read
*the same floppy disk* in Safe Mode?

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
ensure that you have it set to 'View Devices by type'
Please list ALL entries under the following branches:-
CDROM
Disk Drives
Floppy disk controllers
Hard Disk Controllers

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>
> Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
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>> >>
>> >>         Harry.
Mart - 25 May 2006 09:33 GMT
G'morning Harry, g'morning Noel - Jeepers! I think I'll go back to bed!!

Good grief Harry! It's not the 'factual answers' which tell us things, it's
the embroidery that surrounds them which is the most revealing. Hence my
earlier reference to Sherlock Holmes and my allusion to forensic science.

As Noel (and all the rest of us) has confirmed - your CD-ROM doesn't need
changing. Now, as to quite why you want to want to install its DOS (Real
Mode) drivers in Safe Mode (WinMe) Windows escapes me, but I'm sure you must
have a logical reason and explanation.

Remember Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan)
as the drivers are not loaded - and WinMe does not use Real Mode DOS.

I await (as I expect do our millions of readers) your response to Noel's
request regarding your floppy drive with baited (or is that bated) breath.

Mart

> Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
> properly (at least in DOS)!!!
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>>> >>
>>> >>         Harry.
Shane - 25 May 2006 10:01 GMT
I think that's a little misleading, Mart, about Win ME not using Real Mode
DOS. Or likely to generate further confusion. As you know, from the boot
disk it is Real Mode.

btw did you catch Google go Holmesian the other day? Quite good it was (the
logo), I thought they should have kept it.

Shane

> G'morning Harry, g'morning Noel - Jeepers! I think I'll go back to
> bed!!
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>>>>>>         Harry.
Mart - 25 May 2006 10:48 GMT
Not quite sure what your alluding to Shane :-
"Overview of Real Mode Removal from Windows Millennium Edition"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/269524/en-us

Why should Harry want to install DOS drivers in WinMe?

We know that (MS default) DOS drivers are installed from the Start-up disk -
how else could he see the CD-ROM's? - but he's in Real Mode DOS by then, not
WinMe - and he can't get into WinMe unless he re-boots.

> btw did you catch Google go Holmesian the other day?

No, missed it but perhaps I should have been using FF Tabs <eg>

Mart

>I think that's a little misleading, Mart, about Win ME not using Real Mode
>DOS. Or likely to generate further confusion. As you know, from the boot
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>
> Shane

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Shane - 25 May 2006 11:40 GMT
> Not quite sure what your alluding to Shane :-
> "Overview of Real Mode Removal from Windows Millennium Edition"
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> DOS by then, not WinMe - and he can't get into WinMe unless he
> re-boots.

Yes, I'm just saying that Harry - and probably the majority of users (at
least back when this group was jumpin'. Today I'm not sure if we regulars
aren't the majority, and most of us use XP almost exclusively no!) probably
wouldn't differentiate. Whatever it's in, it's WinMe. You know? It may be a
different OS, but virtually everything is still accessible, you can even use
files that appear to be a part of WinMe (and given the file date - well I
suppose we can think of MS-DOS 8.00 as also having come out on June 8th
2000?). I just think the distinction is a bit esoteric, or perhaps needs
more info, ie stressing that though Real Mode DOS isn't available from
Windows, it is from the WinMe boot disk. I mean even that - 'WinMe boot
disk', can give the impression it is still WinMe, just from a different
viewpoint.

I don't know, the more I think of it the more it seems a philosophical
question! Like why am I still here when I'm supposed to have quit for health
reasons?

>> btw did you catch Google go Holmesian the other day?
>
> No, missed it but perhaps I should have been using FF Tabs <eg>

Ha ha. btw I first read that as an example <g>...I will never entirely
adjust, this much is clear!

As for Google, it went offline - not used to that happening with Google!
When it came back the 'ogl' of the logo was integrated into Sherlock Holmes
and his glass. I think it was much better than the usual logo! Apparently
that was Conan-Doyle's birthday, the 22nd? Whether they dug him up I don't
know.

Shane
Mart - 25 May 2006 14:36 GMT
Good point, Shane and on reflection, I suspect that you've highlighted the
major 'misunderstanding' that most users had (and still do) about the
difference between WinMe and other Win9x OS's. And I certainly take you
point regarding the title of the 'WinMe' Startup floppy disk. But then,
where-else (other than Bill Gates' Windows) would you expect to close
something down by pressing the 'Start' button?

Real Mode - or the lack of it - can be a difficult concept to grasp,
especially when one is so used to the earlier Win9x systems. But I don't
think that is really a good excuse for Harry who - IIRC - didn't involve
himself in computers until the WinMe era. (Apologies if I'm wrong Harry!)

> that was Conan-Doyle's birthday, the 22nd?

I must get myself a life - now, where on the Web should I start browsing?

Mart

>> Not quite sure what your alluding to Shane :-
>> "Overview of Real Mode Removal from Windows Millennium Edition"
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>
> Shane
Shane - 26 May 2006 10:06 GMT
Mart,

About a week and a half ago I e-mailed Harry (responding to his reply to my
congratulating him for having the integrity to post the correction re no. of
'Products Blocked' by Spybot, in Win ME as opposed to XP) and suggested,
when he mentioned his CD-ROM problem, that he test the drive by booting to
DOS and choosing CD-ROM support.

I probably gave him too much additional information. I mean once upon a time
I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came from, but it gets
harder. Doesn't it? I think probably to remember how alien most of what we
do is to the average user, you have to deal with them in physical proximity
on a more-or-less daily basis - which I don't. Otherwise the jargon takes
over.

I didn't continue e-mail support as it was just kind of a topic of
conversation. He was asking *here*, and I'm trying to quit. But I've looked
from time-to-time (like when my cat wakes me before 5am and I have to find
something to do!) and it just seems that if Harry started out uncertain or
confused about booting to DOS, he'd be getting more so.

> Good point, Shane and on reflection, I suspect that you've
> highlighted the major 'misunderstanding' that most users had (and
> still do) about the difference between WinMe and other Win9x OS's.

Takes an effort to remember what it was like now. I've been using the
mfd4life DOS hack for so long (though most of the time it's uninstalled.
Incidentally, this batch installs it, and a similar one uninstalls it again:

<snip>

echo off
cls
if exist c:\windows\mfd_mode.dat goto mfd_on
attrib -r -h -s c:\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\command\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\system\regenv32.exe
attrib -r -h -s c:\io.sys
attrib -r -h -s c:\msdos.sys
attrib -r -h -s c:\autoexec.bat
attrib -r -h -s c:\config.sys

copy c:\windows\command\autoexec.mfd c:\autoexec.bat
copy c:\windows\command\config.mfd c:\config.sys
copy c:\windows\command\msdos.mfd c:\msdos.sys
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\windows\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\windows\command\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\io.mfd c:\io.sys
copy c:\windows\command\regenv32.mfd c:\windows\system\regenv32.exe
echo.>c:\windows\mfd_mode.dat

del c:\windows\win386.swp >nul
if exist c:\windows\win386.swp goto inwin
r2
goto end

:mfd_on
attrib -r -h -s c:\msdos.sys
copy c:\autoexec.bat c:\windows\command\autoexec.mfd
copy c:\config.sys c:\windows\command\config.mfd
copy c:\msdos.sys c:\windows\command\msdos.mfd
goto end

:inwin
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RUNONCE.EXE -q,

:end
cls
exit
cls

</snip>

despite Chris Q's reservations, I see no potential problem doing this. If
say Io.sys got corrupted, just boot with the floppy and restore the backups.
A similar batch - WINME.BAT - restores the default files. I also have a
batch that backs up all the configuration files and batches when the Real
Mode autoexec.bat runs, and keeps 7 days worth).

> And I certainly take you point regarding the title of the 'WinMe'
> Startup floppy disk. But then, where-else (other than Bill Gates'
> Windows) would you expect to close something down by pressing the
> 'Start' button?

:-)

> Real Mode - or the lack of it - can be a difficult concept to grasp,
> especially when one is so used to the earlier Win9x systems. But I
> don't think that is really a good excuse for Harry who - IIRC -
> didn't involve himself in computers until the WinMe era. (Apologies
> if I'm wrong Harry!)

I think in this sense 'lack of' may be a difficult concept, but believe me,
if you started in the Win ME era, then Real Mode is. It probably comes down
to your background including, but not limited to (now there's a legal
term!), whether you have a propensity for taking things apart to see how
they work!

>> that was Conan-Doyle's birthday, the 22nd?
>
> I must get myself a life - now, where on the Web should I start
> browsing?

<vbg>

Shane
Mike M - 26 May 2006 10:44 GMT
> I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
> from, but it gets harder.

Perhaps a visit to www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ 
www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ or even
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/CensusChooseSearchType.jsp might help.
Failing that you could always watch Who Do You Think You Are
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/index_gs.shtml).
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> Mart,
>
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> started out uncertain or confused about booting to DOS, he'd be
> getting more so.
Shane - 26 May 2006 11:03 GMT
> > I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
> > from, but it gets harder.
>
> Perhaps a visit to www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
> www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ or even

I think I may be glad I refused to fill out most of the last census! <vbg>
Intrusive barstewards! btw I figured then and still do that on the next one
they'll want DNA samples.

> http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/CensusChooseSearchType.jsp might help.
> Failing that you could always watch Who Do You Think You Are
> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/index_gs.shtml).

Haven't seen that yet, Mike, though I nearly saw the Bill Oddie one last
night. Looked like being depressing!

My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I want to
know is 'where's the money?' <g>

Shane
Mike M - 26 May 2006 11:36 GMT
> My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
> want to know is 'where's the money?' <g>

In which case you want to watch the Jeremy Clarkson one as he also wanted
to know where the money went.  To be honest the series isn't all that bad
and contains some interesting snippets, for example the one with Moira
Stuart.  As for the one with Jeremy Paxman I felt one got to see some of
the real person behind the TV persona and for myself liked little of what
I saw.  I felt he isn't a nice person at all.
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>>> I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
>>> from, but it gets harder.
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> My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
> want to know is 'where's the money?' <g>
Shane - 26 May 2006 12:16 GMT
>> My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
>> want to know is 'where's the money?' <g>
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> myself liked little of what I saw.  I felt he isn't a nice person at
> all.

Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians - but on
University Challenge he does come across as a little smug and superior. I
quite enjoy his books though.

My opinion on Clarkson goes up and down. He'll never entirely recover from
making out he was keeping the Lightning on his lawn, as opposed to just
having it as a prop for one tv show. He's wittier than you'd credit from Top
Gear though.

I'll have to look out for th Moira Stewart one.

Shane
Mike M - 26 May 2006 13:09 GMT
> Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians

There we agree.  As for Clarkson, I seem to recall he is to the Kilner's
of Kilner jar fame and the theme of his episode was in checking this out
and discovering where the Kilner money disappeared to.  Moira Stuart's was
interesting in so far as her roots included her maternal grandparents
coming to the UK to study Medicine at Edinburgh University in the early
1900s and meeting and marrying and then after practising in the Highlands
returning to the Dominican Republic (or perhaps Trinidad, I don't recall
which as her grandmother came from DR and her grandfather from Trinidad).
Even earlier her great-grandfather had come to the UK to study Law.
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> Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians - but
> on University Challenge he does come across as a little smug and
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> I'll have to look out for th Moira Stewart one.
Mart - 26 May 2006 14:53 GMT
Hi guys,

You reminded me that I had a go at the Family Tree thing a few years ago -
1998/9 I think, just before the 1881 census came on-line - using the LDS
'boxed-set' version of some 30 CD's, plus a couple other of their utilities.
Seemed excellent value-for-money (£30 GBP) at the time.

Not touched it for while - must go back and revisit. Now *that's* the sort
of thing I should be doing Shane - back to browsing again, especially since
all these new links are now available. Certainly can be very absorbing,
frustrating and rewarding!

Mart
Mike M - 26 May 2006 15:05 GMT
Mart,

Being the meanie that I am I think I'll be begging to borrow those CDs
sometime.  :-)
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> Hi guys,
>
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> especially since all these new links are now available. Certainly can
> be very absorbing, frustrating and rewarding!
Mart - 26 May 2006 16:17 GMT
NP Mike, - sorted!

Mart
Mike M - 26 May 2006 16:31 GMT
Thanks Mart,
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> NP Mike, - sorted!
Joan Archer - 26 May 2006 15:49 GMT
You'll have Heather in here soon I know she is into all that stuff, not
much use to me.
Tried it a few years ago, well actually the social did, I was adopted
when I was about 3 but came up against a brick wall trying to find out who
I am and it's very frustrating when you get asked, say at the doctors does
this or that run in the family and I haven't got a clue, although I have
got 2 birth certificates <g>
Joan

> Hi guys,
>
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>
> Mart
Heather - 26 May 2006 17:48 GMT
Well.....now you are in my area of expertise!!  Particularly if you are
Cumbrian born.  There are 4 or 5 genealogy Lists for Cumberland and I do
run one of the Cumberland Lists.

If so, I have the LDS parish records for Whitehaven, Flimby and so on.
All my Bowness(es) are pre-civil registration (1835 and on).

I forget what is in those 30 CD's, mainly coz my people are born way
before them.  And the LDS rarely records deaths......so that is of no
help.  But there are numerous sources for Cumberland.

Cheers, Heather
PS......did you try the LDS FamilySearch dot Org website??  Lots of new
stuff on there now.

> Hi guys,
>
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>
> Mart
Shane - 26 May 2006 17:57 GMT
>> Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians
>
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> grandmother came from DR and her grandfather from Trinidad). Even
> earlier her great-grandfather had come to the UK to study Law.

Maybe they should get Noel to do one! Think of the journey! <vbg>

Shane
Noel Paton - 26 May 2006 21:05 GMT
Moi? 'do one'?? - I got lost somewhere?

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> Maybe they should get Noel to do one! Think of the journey! <vbg>
>
> Shane
Shane - 27 May 2006 09:11 GMT
> Moi? 'do one'?? - I got lost somewhere?

Somewhere on the M4 corridor?

But seriously Noel, so many of our worthies have come from abroad, via
fascinating routes! :-)

btw I've made a discovery since being up here and going to London by train:
Sluff only hums from the road!

Shane
webster72n - 25 May 2006 18:18 GMT
Duly noted, Noel and here is the info you requested:

CDROM:
Device:       TEAC CD-W58E
No resources used.

Disk Drives:
Device:       Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46
                 Generic IDE DISK TYPE 47
                 Generic NEC FLOPPY DISK
                 IOMEGA ZIP 100
                 IOMEGA ZIP 100

Floppy Disk Controllers:
Device:       Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Resources:  IRQ:    06
                  I/O:     03F0h-03F5h
                  I/O:     03F7h-03F7h
                  DMA: 02

Hard Disk Controllers:
Device:        Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Resources:   IRQ:    15
                   I/O:      0170h-0177h
                   I/O:      0376h-0376h
                   I/O:      C008h-C00Fh

Device:         Primary DE controller (dual fifo)
Resources:    IRQ:     14
                   I/O:       01F0h-01F7h
                   I/O:       03F6h-03F6h
                   I/O:       C000h-C007h

Device:         VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
Resources:    IRQ:     14
                    IRQ:     15
                    I/O:       01F0h-01F7h
                    I/O:       03F6h-03F6h
                    I/O:       0170h-0177h
                    I/O:       0376h-0376h
                    I/O:       C000h-C00Fh.

Under "Disk Drives" in normal mode It shows only 3 items:
             Generic IDE DISK TYPE 47
             Generic NEC FLOPPY DISK
             IOMEGA ZIP 100.

Hope I got that right, because it didn't want to print in Safe Mode.

         Harry.

> Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
> properly (at least in DOS)!!!
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> >> >>
> >> >>         Harry.
Mart - 25 May 2006 20:01 GMT
Hi Harry, Noel *may* be missing till late and I don't want to interfere with
his train of troubleshooting, but from these results and your earlier post
(24 May 2006 22:43) you appear to have a single hard-drive divided into 3
partitions - C:, D: and E:.

However, in the meantime could you re-check the following two tests for me
please. (These won't affect Noel's proposals)

Boot into WinMe Normal Mode and then into Windows Explorer.

Insert e.g. your WinMe Startup floppy disk, into the A: drive and see if you
can 'see' its contents in WE. If so :

Insert a Data CD into your CD-ROM (the F: drive) and again see if you can
'see' its contents in WE.

Please come back with your results - and EXACT error reports, if any.

Mart

> Duly noted, Noel and here is the info you requested:
>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>         Harry.
Mart - 25 May 2006 20:11 GMT
BTW - You don't need to list the contents of the disks - just confirm (or
otherwise) that you can 'see' their contents

Mart

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webster72n - 26 May 2006 16:36 GMT
Mart:

Finally made it back.
When following your instructions, WE shows the same original conditions,
i.e. Floppy A asks to "Please insert a disk into drive A", even with a disk
inserted.
CD-ROM, with or without a disk inserted, tells me "The disk is not
formatted". Do you want to format it now?" with a "Yes" or "No" choice.
Clicking on yes gives me "This drive cannot be formatted" and clicking "ok"
informs me "The disk in drive F cannot be formatted". That's it and as it
has been from the beginning.
There must be a way to fix this from DOS, since the drives can be read from
there, according to Shane's post regarding this issue, but I need specific
instructions for execution of it, being familiar only with the "bare-bones"
of DOS.
BTW I had the "Windows Explorer" icon on the desktop, but it disappeared at
one time or another, don't know exactly when.
Is there a connection? Of course, I put it back on.
Hoping to find relief,

         Harry.

> Hi Harry, Noel *may* be missing till late and I don't want to interfere with
> his train of troubleshooting, but from these results and your earlier post
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>         Harry.
Shane - 26 May 2006 17:55 GMT
> Mart:
>
> Finally made it back.
> When following your instructions, WE shows the same original
> conditions, i.e. Floppy A asks to "Please insert a disk into drive
> A", even with a disk inserted.

I recently had this happen. I ejected the disk and reinserted it and it
wrote okay. I think the problem was it had been sitting around too long,
possibly got dusty, possibly began to be demagnetised. What happens with a
fresh-out-of-the-packet disk?

> CD-ROM, with or without a disk inserted, tells me "The disk is not
> formatted". Do you want to format it now?" with a "Yes" or "No"
> choice. Clicking on yes gives me "This drive cannot be formatted" and
> clicking "ok" informs me "The disk in drive F cannot be formatted".
> That's it and as it has been from the beginning.

Harry, that just sounds like you still have packet-writing software eg
Adaptec/Roxio EasyCD or Ahead InCD installed.

If you're using CDR discs, do not select "Yes". They are already formatted,
also they are only usable one time and formatting uses them - thereafter
you'd get the message that they cannot be formatted.

If they weren't blank to begin with, you'd get the message that they cannot
be formatted.

So, to begin addressing the problem, do not select "Yes" if asked if you
want to format them!

The next question is *why* are you being asked if you want to format them?

Are you using CDR discs or CD-RW discs? If CD-RW, they should not be
recognised in Win ME without burning software installed, therefore they
should not be recognised. And you should be using pre-recorded data discs to
test with.

I think I'm going to have to read through this thread.

Shane
Mart - 26 May 2006 18:32 GMT
Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while and may
not be back till late.

I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick observations:-

Re: the A: drive - odd thing is that the WinMe Startup floppy *apparently*
booted OK from the A:  - hence my request to test using that disk. Perhaps
Harry could confirm that this floppy works 'every time, without problems'
when he tries to boot from it.

Re: the CD-ROM - precisely!! Again, I asked Harry to test with a Data CD
(implying a computer magazine cover CD). Harry please confirm!

Good luck and I hope you're sorted by the time I get back. (And thanks in
anticipation Shane.)

Mart

>> Mart:
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>
> Shane
Shane - 26 May 2006 18:56 GMT
> Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
> and may not be back till late.

I asked for that, didn't I!

> I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick observations:-
>
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> Re: the CD-ROM - precisely!! Again, I asked Harry to test with a Data
> CD (implying a computer magazine cover CD). Harry please confirm!

I think I must have read that post, it sounds familiar.

> Good luck and I hope you're sorted by the time I get back. (And
> thanks in anticipation Shane.)

Well, I'm still going to have to read through this thread! Good luck to me
too!

Shane
Shane - 26 May 2006 19:24 GMT
>> Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
>> and may not be back till late.
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> Well, I'm still going to have to read through this thread! Good luck
> to me too!

135 posts.

At least I don't need to count my own.

Shane
Shane - 27 May 2006 06:44 GMT
Mart,

I don't appear to have your e-mail address. Perhaps you'd hit 'Reply' and
send it?

Shane

> Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
> and may not be back till late.
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>>
>> Shane
Shane - 27 May 2006 08:07 GMT
> Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
> and may not be back till late.

I've been through this and it's offshoot threads 3 times now, and reduced
130-odd posts down to 16 that may actually convey information!

The more I look at it the more your above request sounds like Capt. Oates at
the South Pole!

> I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick observations:-
>
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> Good luc