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I have had this problem before For some reason system restore writes large files to the drive I suspect Norton turns on restore even though I have set it to off. when I run a full scan. Then my free space on the drive drops from say 900 megs to around 100. Some guy named Mike had sent email with how to correct it and it worked and had printed out the fix - now I can't find the print out - so - Help Terry "Some guy named Mike" or his cohort, Noel, will be around to sort out the mess Symantec has made of your computer......did that *guy* not tell you that Norton was not to be used with WinME???? Yes, I know he would have, lol. Good luck and go get a decent antivirus.....and purge your machine of that useless piece of AV junk!! I sure hate pussyfooting around, lol. Heather >I have had this problem before For some reason system restore writes >large [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > had printed out the fix - now I can't find the print out - so - Help > Terry Terry, System restore doesn't write large files, it simply archives copies of system or program files that you either delete or amend. The archived files are identical to the original. The archive is maintained at the size you have set, discarding older archived files as new files are archived. That is except for those who install software from Symantec which is seriously flawed and should not be used with Win Me (or IMO on any system regardless of the operating system in use).. You mention someone called Mike as having mailed you. I've never mailed you but I can see I've answered a number of your questions in the Win Me newsgroups. I suspect the following is the message you've lost: <quote> Without knowing the size of your C: drive (I did ask) those figures are somewhat meaningless although having so many files, probably in C:\_RESTORE\TEMP would suggest that the state manager's "knackered" and needs "fixing". The _RESTORE folders shouldn't occupy more than 12% of your C: drive or 400MB if the drive is <4GB. If more than that it would appear that System Restore is not discarding (FIFOing) older data correctly, possibly because at some time the system was not immediately rebooted following a state change (switching SR either off or on). So, my first suggestion is to reset System Restore: System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check "Disable System Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush you restore folder and erase all checkpoints, then, System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and uncheck "Disable System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This should now automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following the restart. Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder as explained earlier. A figure of 200MB is normally more than adequate for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to be available although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days during periods of large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable. If this doesn't clear down the _restore archive (and it doesn't always when users have experienced similar problems) the next suggestion is to boot to DOS using a floppy and delete the entire _RESTORE folder structure from there: a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot" from the menu when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer with (or without) CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be available. b) At the DOS A:\> prompt, type: ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST c) Remove the floppy d) Reboot your PC e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was created. g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder: Finally you may want to give system restore the once over by carrying out the following quick test. a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file. b) Create a manual checkpoint c) Delete the shortcut d) Restore you PC to the checkpoint you created. Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages? </quote> -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP mcmaltby@hotmail.com > I have had this problem before For some reason system restore writes > large files to the drive I suspect Norton turns on restore even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > so - Help > Terry Yep, mailed I meant in the group. I believe this is exactly whatI was looking for. Thanks - again. Terry > Terry, > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > so - Help > > Terry Terry, Hopefully you'll now be able to fix the problem. If not please post back with full details and we can take it from there. Best of luck,  SignatureMike Maltby MS-MVP Windows [2001-2006] mike.maltby@gmail.com > Yep, mailed I meant in the group. > I believe this is exactly whatI was looking for. > Thanks - again. Hmm, really confused. I could not use RENAM, DOS said REN wasn't supported. I was able to change attributes and del the restore folder. I rebooted and the restore folder was recreated without the hidden attrib and the folder was empty.......hardly any disk space was recovered! The drive is 4.65 gig and usually has close to 1 gig free....it is down to 300MB I uninstalled Norton and recovered a little space now upto 434 MB Free I checked all the known suspects, temp folders in and outside windows Any ideas Terry Tony, What boot floppy were you using? REN and the longer RENAME command are internal to DOS and are always present if you booted from a Win Me boot floppy. Until you go through all the steps in my earlier post you won't recover any hard disk space because you haven't renamed and then later deleted the _RESTORE folder. This renaming can only be done by booting to DOS after first using the ATTRIB command you can then delete the renamed folder once you boot back into Win Me. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Hmm, really confused. > I could not use RENAM, DOS said REN wasn't supported. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Any ideas > Terry The Start Up Disk made from the create disk from the control panel. I'll check the original instalation disk and see if REN is on it. Terry > Tony, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Any ideas > > Terry > The Start Up Disk made from the create disk from the > control panel. I'll check the original instalation disk and see if > REN is on it. You won't "find" REN since as I have already said it is an internal DOS command, that is, it is built in to command.com and therefore always available when at a DOS prompt unlike say ATTRIB which is an external DOS command and requires the file attrib.exe to be in the path (as it will be if you boot from a Win Me boot floppy and choose either option 2 or 3 from the menu). Perhaps you typed something else when you thought you typed REN.. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com Excuse 'butinski' Mike, To confirm, Terry should type "ren /?" at the command prompt. (no quotes) Should give syntax instructions. Mart >> The Start Up Disk made from the create disk from the >> control panel. I'll check the original instalation disk and see if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Perhaps you typed something else when you thought you typed REN.. O.k., still no luck with the REN even with the \ even tried / which I think is a dos switch? But the attrib -h -s -r del c:\_restore worked and I was able to delete the folder. That didn't free up much. So, I looked in SYSBACKUP deleted the older compressed files still not much then I remembered this happened after Defrag and running NAV I searched for the scan disk files and deleted the files that scan disk created File0000 etc I got back close to 500 meg Then I searched Drive C by file size and the Swap File is something like 212,175 which is large - easpecially considering 512 Megs of RAM 1.8 CPU I'm letting Windows manage the Swap File The other big folder was a Outlook Express Outbox DBX I deleted that and now I close to the 1 Gig free..... question how can I flush that swap File? Terry Oh, I also uninstalled Norton and got a program called Anticyber Crime Terry > question how can I flush that swap File? Delete it in Real Mode DOS - using the Startup floppy. It will be re-generated next time you boot into WinMe. But, there's no guarantee that it won't want to re-build itself to a similar size - depends what's being run and whether WinMe decides it needs a 'larger' Swap file. If you're 'not happy' deleting it yet, rename it in RM DOS and then you can 're-claim' it, should things go pearshaped. Mart > O.k., still no luck with the REN even with the \ even tried / > which I think is a dos switch? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Terry >> question how can I flush that swap File? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If you're 'not happy' deleting it yet, rename it in RM DOS and then > you can 're-claim' it, should things go pearshaped. Mart, You have to remember though that Terry is running a unique version of DOS that does not include the built in REN or RENAME command! SignatureMike LOL In that case Mike, he should ignore my last sentence <g> Do you think "Anticyber Crime" will correct this Swap-File and other issues? Mart >>> question how can I flush that swap File? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You have to remember though that Terry is running a unique version of DOS > that does not include the built in REN or RENAME command! > LOL > > In that case Mike, he should ignore my last sentence <g> > > Do you think "Anticyber Crime" will correct this Swap-File and other > issues? Not a clue Mart and its not something I worry about. For example on this box with 2GB of RAM I'm using 307MB of swap file. This thread started with a request for help to clear the _RESTORE archive, something that may or may not have been done however it now appears that this wasn't the cause of the space problem that the poster was experiencing. I had expected the OP to have checked the size of the _RESTORE archive but it seems that this couldn't have been very large and not the cause of their space problems. I just hope he appreciates what he has done in deleting a dbx files from the Outlook Express store when possibly all that was necessary was to compact the store. SignatureMike Well - getting rid of Norton will have freed up about 100MB on its own! What is concerning though, is the amount of stuff in the Scandisk residues.... sound like either the machine has regularly been switched off at the plug while running, or he may have HD problems. (or RA problem, perhaps, but less likely) SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > >> LOL [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > has done in deleting a dbx files from the Outlook Express store when > possibly all that was necessary was to compact the store. Ditto to both your replies - in fact Noel, I was going to mention the "File0000 etc I got back close to 500 meg" comment, but like Mike, remembered this 'apparent' non- standard DOS and kept quiet <g> Mart > Well - getting rid of Norton will have freed up about 100MB on its own! > What is concerning though, is the amount of stuff in the Scandisk [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> he has done in deleting a dbx files from the Outlook Express store when >> possibly all that was necessary was to compact the store. O.k. just for my own interest I'll create a file on drive C:\ test and from the start up disk DOS if I type c:\ ren test oldtest assuming the syntax is correct it should work right? Terry Er.. No! Terry, - Your syntax is correct but your command isn't. Remember, its :- REN [drive:][path]filename1 filename2 The correct command at the A:\ prompt should be ren c:\ test oldtest. Mart > O.k. just for my own interest I'll create a file on drive C:\ test > and from the start up disk DOS if I type c:\ ren test oldtest assuming the > syntax is correct > it should work right? > Terry > Er.. No! Terry, - Your syntax is correct but your command isn't. > > Remember, its :- > REN [drive:][path]filename1 filename2 > > The correct command at the A:\ prompt should be ren c:\ test oldtest. Note though that there should be no space between C:\ and TEST. Which brings us neatly back to the original REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com Mike wrote :- > Note though that there should be no space between C:\ and TEST. Oops.. My bad! You're quite right Mike, a typo on my part when writing my reply. I'd actually tested it out on my WinMe box previously and obviously got it correct on that box - otherwise it wouldn't have worked <g> And for Terry's sake I've just re-confirmed that the space prevents it working, proving that the syntax MUST be absolutely correct for the command to work. Mart >> Er.. No! Terry, - Your syntax is correct but your command isn't. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Which brings us neatly back to the original > REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST |
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