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Windows Forum / Windows Me / General Topics / May 2006Re: CDRTC.DLL - Mart
I am starting this new thread to make things easier for Mart. Please, bear with me on this. Thank you. Harry. Sorry Harry, I just missed this new thread before I'd pressed the Send button and tagged onto the previous one. However, we may as well keep with this one. So here it is again :- Harry wrote :- > Been there and already done that, Mart. It checks out allright as 'G'. > > Harry. I should jolly-well hope so Harry! So, now that you've tested and proved that your A: drive and your CD-ROM are NOT faulty AND they (along with all your other drives) are all where they should be (drive letters are correct in WinMe Normal Mode) - what's the problem? You said on 26 May 2006 @ 14:27 that :- > 1. No quick-fix for A ( didn't try disconnecting the > cable and reconnecting it yet). So what problems are you (still?) having with your A: drive? You also said on 26 May 2006 @ 14:27 that :- > 2. When you read through the thread, you will find > that my CD-ROM drive is listed only as 'W' anymore, > when it used to be 'R/W'. Where did the 'R' go? As Shane asked :- > Listed where? Unless or until you install your 'burner' software, your CD-ROM will not be recognised (and function) as a burner (Writer), but perform only as a CD-ROM (Reader) drive. So what other problems are you now having with your CD-ROM (the G:) drive? I await the next instalment <g> Mart >I am starting this new thread to make things easier for Mart. > Please, bear with me on this. > Thank you. > > Harry. Not sure whether you mean 'in-' or 'uninstall', Mart. When it comes to install, the machine says "This program cnnot be run in DOS-Mode". I certainly can't install it in normal mode under windows, because that's where the problem lies with both drives, unless there is another way. If you mean uninstall, I 'searched and destroyed' far and wide. Therefore I am out of options, except for replacement of the drives. Harry. > Sorry Harry, I just missed this new thread before I'd pressed the Send > button and tagged onto the previous one. However, we may as well keep with [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > > Harry. Not the bloody drivers Harry - it doesn't need them!! THE BURNER SOFTWARE - Nero, or Roxio/Adaptec/Sonic!!!  SignatureNoel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's > > Not sure whether you mean 'in-' or 'uninstall', Mart. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> > >> > Harry. Harry, 'Scuse me while I go for lie-down in a darkened room. Mart > Not sure whether you mean 'in-' or 'uninstall', Mart. > When it comes to install, the machine says [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Harry. Poor wee thing.....would you care for a dram of Scotch......or the whole damn bottle, lol. I believe you have now gone *above and beyond*.....you deserve this rest. XX Heather > Harry, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Harry. Suitably refreshed Heather, a couple of drams (well, tinnies) AND 40 minutes of The Eagles (BBC1 TV) Right Harry - What's your next problem? Mart > Poor wee thing.....would you care for a dram of Scotch......or the whole > damn bottle, lol. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> >>> Harry. <lol> Joan > Harry, > > 'Scuse me while I go for lie-down in a darkened room. > > Mart Jeepers Harry - you could have mentioned the A: drive was STILL missing (faulty) in WinMe - Normal and/or Safe Mode Harry? AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE A: DRIVE ONLY!!!!! I though that we were on a 'new' thread - it's no use tacking it down the bottom of the old one!! Mart > Not sure whether you mean 'in-' or 'uninstall', Mart. > When it comes to install, the machine says [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> > >> > Harry. > Jeepers Harry - you could have mentioned the A: drive was STILL missing > (faulty) in WinMe - Normal and/or Safe Mode Harry? [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >>> > >>> > Harry. You ask for the problem, Mart, it is still exactly the same as it was from the very beginning, despite all of the corrective measures being taken. Floppy A and the CD-ROM drive simply don't respond under Windows, with me getting the same messages as I repeatedly described before. Please accept my apologies for any trouble I may have caused you. Harry. > Sorry Harry, I just missed this new thread before I'd pressed the Send > button and tagged onto the previous one. However, we may as well keep with [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > > Harry. Harry, > Floppy A and the CD-ROM drive simply don't respond under Windows, Precisely!! - They DO NOT RESPOND UNDER ***WINDOWS**** BUT they do respond (correctly) under (Real Mode) DOS - and are recognised (correctly) in Real Mode DOS - In other words, the drives themselves are not faulty. The problem is, that Windows Millennium is not recognising them correctly!! - And THAT'S what you need to fix. In your reply to Shane dated 27 May 2006 23:13 (on the old thread - I thought you were sticking to this one!) you go on about not having Iomega Zip. Harry, you do have an Iomega Zip 100 drive - your B: drive - Remember? OK Harry - Next task, and for the moment let's just worry about the A: drive problem :- Do exactly what Shane told you :- Boot into Safe Mode - go to Device Manager and under Disk Drives:, 'Remove' (delete) the TWO Iomega Zip 100 entries. Then shut down and re-boot into Normal Mode. - You should see the Zip drive being re-detected (enumerated) as the pc reboots. Put your WinMe Startup floppy in the A: drive and open Windows Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup floppy? Mart > In your reply to Shane dated 27 May 2006 23:13 (on the old thread - I > thought you were sticking to this one!) I think I can be blamed for that one, Mart. I thought it better to continue in a different thread if you and I are answering at the same time. You have your own, I used Noel's! :-) Of course, if Noel jumps back in I suppose I'll need a thread named for me! Shane No you wont, you will take a break from sitting at the machine, your health is more important than the trouble Harry gets himself into. Joan > Of course, if Noel jumps back in I suppose I'll need a thread named > for me! > > Shane Thanks Joan. Well, mum'll be arriving this afternoon, so I'll have to quit and vacuum and the like now anyway. Then she'll hog the computer all the time she's here! <g> Just last night I was thinking of getting another, but it's probably not a good idea. Better to be compelled to stop! I was just wondering if anyone had had Harry run Scanreg /fix - which might improve things slightly - but no matter! Subject dropped! xx Shane > No you wont, you will take a break from sitting at the machine, your > health is more important than the trouble Harry gets himself into. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Shane Goodonya, Mom. Harry will still be screwing up his machine LONG after Shane's health gets better, so Shane can safely take a break. XX Figgs 8-)) > No you wont, you will take a break from sitting at the machine, your > health is more important than the trouble Harry gets himself into. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Shane <lol> I agree, I was talking to him on the phone and he definitely needs to keep off the computer for a while. Joan > Goodonya, Mom. Harry will still be screwing up his machine LONG after > Shane's health gets better, so Shane can safely take a break. > > XX Figgs 8-)) You'll be rewarded eternally, Mart, for sticking with me on this one. There have been some misunderstandings and/or omissions, but what you are saying here is quite clear. I deleted those two entries for Iomega Zip and the order in Device Manager was reestablished, but Floppy A drive still doesn't want to read (or write) and aks for a disk when one is already loaded. IOW still no change, I'm sorry to say. Harry. > Harry, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Mart OK Harry, then will you now try the following please :- With the power off, unplug your Zip 100 Drive (which I assume to be a USB device), then power-up and boot into Safe Mode again. This time, 'Remove' (delete) your A: (floppy disk) drive in Device Manager AND for the sake of the exercise, also 'Remove' (delete) your Zip 100 Drive. N.B. There *should* have only been ONE instance showing of the Zip !00 this time - and *maybe* - the Zip drive had acquired a different letter (G:?) in Windows Explorer? For the moment don't worry - we'll pursue that later. Leaving your Zip drive disconnected, reboot into Normal Mode. Put your WinMe Startup floppy in the A: drive and open Windows Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup floppy? Mart > You'll be rewarded eternally, Mart, for sticking with me on this one. > There have been some misunderstandings and/or omissions, but what you are [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> Mart Thank you Mart. The Zip drive is internal and had at one time drive letter E, I believe, but since my last format it is a Floppy B. Thought you may want to know before I go ahead with your instructions. Harry. > OK Harry, then will you now try the following please :- > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >> > >> Mart Just found out something important , Mart: Floppy (B:) Properties shows "File system FAT" and 4.85 MB used space 90.9 MB free space (when empty) Capacity is 95.7 MB Something doesn't look right in this picture. Harry. > Thank you Mart. > The Zip drive is internal and had at one time drive letter E, I believe, but [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > >> > > >> Mart To tag onto my last reply: The A-drive in Properties is listed as full, with no free space. Migh that tell us something? > Thank you Mart. > The Zip drive is internal and had at one time drive letter E, I believe, but [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > >> > > >> Mart Just caught your latter two posts before I attached this to your first reply, so I've re-jigged it slightly and now posting to your last response - if you know what I mean! Re: your 'Floppy (B:) Properties - That is the Zip drive and NOT a Floppy Drive and ought not to have the letter B: - see later in my reply. The figures seem about right for a !00 MB Zip Disk - except the drive letter - but see later. > The A-drive in Properties is listed as full, with > no free space. Migh that tell us something? Not sure yet - too many other deflections to overcome. But back to my 'original', proposed response :- Now that certainly makes life a little more interesting. (PS - doesn't it just?) If not a USB device, my 'guess' is that your internal Zip 100 drive is therefore an ATAPI/IDE (or even a SCSI - God forbid) device, most likely connected to one or other of the IDE controllers - So why the heck has it been (re)designated the B: drive? It should be MUCH further down the alphabetic chain - even Z: for Zip?? - but never the B: drive. The B: is reserved for a second (true) floppy drive, which would normally be connected to the 'spare' connector on the 'floppy ribbon cable. Hmm.. it might also explain the Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46 mentioned in one of your earlier posts - I tried to ignore that and it's come back to bite me. Which now makes me also wonder whether you have also got an incorrect BIOS setting too. Jeepers Harry, the thick plottens!! > .. but since my last format it is a Floppy B. Format? - Format of what? Anyway, before you proceed with my previous suggestion, go into DevMan (in Normal Mode) and change the drive letter of the Zip drive from B: to anything else which is spare - or as I suggested, Z: - for Zip! That *might* even cure the problem(s?) Bed time here Harry, I'll see how you're doing in the morning. (PS - Definitely gone this time!!) Mart > To tag onto my last reply: > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >> > >> >> > >> Mart Mart. Just one quick comment. Later model internal ATAPI Zip drives were quite often assigned the letter B as being a "super floppy", rather like the Sony LS120 floppies could also be configured to appear as B. > (PS - Definitely gone this time!!) Which is where I'm heading again right now. D$$n cat got me up. <g> SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Just caught your latter two posts before I attached this to your first > reply, so I've re-jigged it slightly and now posting to your last [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > (PS - Definitely gone this time!!) > Hmm.. it might also explain the Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46 mentioned in > one of your earlier posts - I tried to ignore that and it's come back > to bite me. Which now makes me also wonder whether you have also got > an incorrect BIOS setting too. Yes, I was waiting to hear an explanation for that once we got to the starting post. Shane LOL Mart >> Hmm.. it might also explain the Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46 mentioned in >> one of your earlier posts - I tried to ignore that and it's come back [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Shane The plot thickens some more, Mart: My 3 1/2 Floppy (A:) drive properties show the File system to be RAW, the space "full" with 0 bytes recorded and 0 capacity. It has a tools tab as did the B-drive. The Compact Disk (F:) Properties has a RAW File system with also no free space but all used space and 0 bytes. It has no Tools tab. In both cases this is with or without a disk inserted. Time for me "to hit the sack" also. Harry. > To tag onto my last reply: > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > > >> > > > >> Mart Mart, Obviously I don't know what Harry has, but my Iomega Zip 100 was an IDE device which plugged into an HDD/CD-ROM IDE socket (rather than an FDD one) and was configured as iirc Secondary Master, drive letter D. And looking at Harry's response below, the thick plottens! Or something. Anyway, I'm following Joan's orders now (more-or-less!) and won't be sticking around. Shane > OK Harry, then will you now try the following please :- > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup >>> floppy? Mart Shane & Mike, Yes - IIRC, Iomega introduced quite a 'range' of Iomega Zip (100) drives, from their parallel connected one, thru' ATAPI/IDE, SCSI (including their infamous 'clunky' ones - got the T shirt!!), and later a couple of USB versions (Self-powered and externally powered) before they embarked on their 250 and 750 units. I still use an externally powered USB one on my XP box. I had forgotten/didn't realize about the "super floppy" being assigned the letter B: - and am not inclined to resurrect my old Iomega installation instructions - assuming I still have them <g> Seem to recall lots of 'issues' being debated though, with Win9x vs. zip drives and pages of .txt files on how to get them to work properly, but that's a long while back. So where does Harry go from here? Well, there surely are 'conflicts' somewhere on Harry's box. My advice would be to uninstall and pull (physically) the Zip drive completely out of the chain, (which I think was Shane's advice elsewhere <g>) until or unless he can get WinMe to recognise the A: and the CD-ROM drives correctly. Then re-appraise the situation. Clearly, things are hardly satisfactory as they stand. Harry, perhaps a visit to your local Techie might be worth consideration or even a clean-install? It's obviously very difficult for us to help troubleshoot your pc from a distance, a 'hands-on' approach is probably now needed. BTW - Shane, thanks for your input and help - I think we well understand your wish (and need) to withdraw. And to honest, I'm beginning to feel that way myself <bg> Mart > Mart, > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >>>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup >>>> floppy? Mart Mart, It was only some of their later ATAPI drives that enumerated as B. We had two internal IDE drives (two daughters, two PCs, two drives) and I had an external parallel port zip drive which were all assigned a drive letter after the fixed disks had been enumerated and which we always changed to Z. With 2GB usb pen drives for not much more than £20 our old internal 100MB zips where each disk cost a packet have long since died from lack of use although the external zip drive gets used occasionally to recover data "off site" from older systems that don't have a working usb port. On site I find it easier to drop in a NIC and then pull the data off across the network. Do you want a couple of internal 1GB scsi jaz drives? <vbg> As for Harry's problem, I agree that pulling the zip would be a sensible move. SignatureMike Maltby mike.maltby@gmail.com > Shane & Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > understand your wish (and need) to withdraw. And to honest, I'm > beginning to feel that way myself <bg> Mike wrote :- > With 2GB usb pen drives for not much more than £20 our old internal > 100MB zips where each disk cost a packet have long since died from lack of > use although the external zip drive gets used occasionally to recover data > "off site" from older systems that don't have a working usb port. Yes ... and that's yet another T-shirt in my collection too. You'd be surprised (or maybe not) just how much dust these things collect. The 'Media' panic about the phasing out of VCR's at Dixons?- Sheesh! we've been living with obsolescence since at least Win3x. Thanks for concurring, re removal of Harry's Zip drive. Mart > Mart, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> understand your wish (and need) to withdraw. And to honest, I'm >> beginning to feel that way myself <bg> Mart: When I said "format", I meant "reinstall", my bad. Your suggestion to "pull the zip drive" sounds good to me and I will tinker with that and some other things, if necessary. No "Willy" to go to, I am the last resource in this affair. Will let you know how I fared, when it's all said and done. Thank you, Mike, Noel, Shane (especially), John and everyone paticipating in this discussion for your untiring and devoted assistance. Most greatful, Harry. > Shane & Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >>>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup > >>>> floppy? Mart Harry, > When I said "format", I meant "reinstall", my bad. "reinstall" as in "over-install" and not "clean install"? > ..... No "Willy" to go to, I am the > last resource in this affair. I thought EVERY neighbourhood had at least one spotty-faced kid to whom everyone over 25 goes, to set their video recorder, setup their mobile phone, program the washing-machine, even retrieve the crumbs from the toaster! Usually, PC's are a doddle to these geeks. Good luck with it - I hope you soon get your hardware issues resolved. Mart > Mart: > [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] >> >>>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup >> >>>> floppy? Mart That was "clean install", Mart. In the worst case scenario I do have someone to go to, but it takes a 40 mile trip to get there, not very convenient, is it. BTW I did remove the Zip drive, only to be put on notice by the BIOS that there is a hard drive failure (?). Well, that does it, time for some drastic measures............ See ye'll later, Harry. > Harry, > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Floppy A and the CD-ROM drive simply don't respond under Windows, > >> >>>> Precisely!! - They DO NOT RESPOND UNDER ***WINDOWS**** > >> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> >>>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup > >> >>>> floppy? Mart > BTW I did remove the Zip drive, only to be put on notice by the BIOS that > there is a hard drive failure (?). I would have thought that the BIOS detection of the IDE devices set to Auto would normally take care of that, but YMMV - Mmm.., could account for the Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46 though.... ... Yep, you're gonna have to get a man in <g> Good luck Mart > That was "clean install", Mart. > In the worst case scenario I do have someone to go to, but it takes a 40 [quoted text clipped - 186 lines] >> >> >>>> Explorer. Can you now 'see' (read) the contents of the Startup >> >> >>>> floppy? Mart |
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