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REC - 18 May 2005 21:57 GMT
I have multiple computers, multiple stereos. Will windows media connect allow
me to broadcast the music playing on one computer to the others within my
house .. vs using a DMR. The idea being I could generate a stream on one
computer playing the music and listen on another computer using Windows Media
Player or some other client?
Alan Ludwig [MS] - 18 May 2005 22:40 GMT
> I have multiple computers, multiple stereos. Will windows media
> connect allow me to broadcast the music playing on one computer to the
> others within my house .. vs using a DMR. The idea being I could
> generate a stream on one computer playing the music and listen on
> another computer using Windows Media Player or some other client?

Nope, WMC doesn't work that way.  WMC is a UPnP AV Content Directory and
Media Server.  It delivers media "Point-to-point" to UPnP Media Renders.  
It doesn't use any packet broadcast technology for serving media.

Regards,

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REC - 19 May 2005 21:48 GMT
Thank you.

Aside from Windows Media Server, which seems like overkill, is there a MS
technology that will allow this...Netmeeting maybe (if the quality is there?).

> > I have multiple computers, multiple stereos. Will windows media
> > connect allow me to broadcast the music playing on one computer to the
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>
> Regards,
Alan Ludwig [MS] - 23 May 2005 16:04 GMT
> Aside from Windows Media Server, which seems like overkill, is there a
> MS technology that will allow this...Netmeeting maybe (if the quality
> is there?).

You specifically asked about broadcasting a single stream to multiple
recipients.  That is a very specific and very limiting requirement.  I'm
not aware of any product other than Windows Media Server that will do that.  
However, I'd also say that for many uses it is also unnecessary.  WMC will
serve up multiple independent streams of media to multiple recipients at
the same time.  The biggest barrier that people will likely encounter when
streaming media would be the limited bandwidth on their wireless networks.  
That isn't a limitation of WMC; it is a limitation of wireless networking.

Regards,

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REC - 24 May 2005 02:44 GMT
Ok Alan,

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'll try one more time. As your answer
was 100% accurate.

Assume either 1) bandwidth is not an issue, or 2) I'll do it between only
two computers, one sending the other receiving. Both running XP pro. Final
assumption, I am not ready to take the plunge and put server technology
(either sw or hardware) on my network. I basically want to serve up one
stream to another computer in my house... say I have Windows Media player on
shuffle on the downstairs computer and another upstairs connected to the
unlimited bandwidth network upstairs connected to the stereo. I think there
is a Mac product (gasp) called nicecast that works with itunes that seems to
perform a similiar function.

Hardwired switched 100 MBs.

> > Aside from Windows Media Server, which seems like overkill, is there a
> > MS technology that will allow this...Netmeeting maybe (if the quality
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>
> Regards,
Alan Ludwig [MS] - 24 May 2005 16:09 GMT
Yes, Windows Media Connect will serve media streams from your computer
downstairs to your computer upstairs.  Windows Media Player is not involved
at either end.  WMC is the server technology.  For the upstairs computer
you'll need software that serves as a UPnP Media Renderer.  

As far as software clients go your choices are fairly limited right now.  I
think we'll see many more of these appear over the next several months as
we get closer to Holiday '05.  Off the top of my head, there are three of
them.  First, there is one that comes with the Intel UPnP Tools (AV Media
Controller). Nero shipps one as part of Nero 6 that is built into Nero
ShowTime (You'll need to download the latest update, as this feature was
not in the in-box version of Nero 6).  The last one that I can remember off
the top of my head is On2Share.  A few minutes on http://search.msn.com 
should lead you to the locations for all of those clients.

I've played about with both the Intel Tools and Nero Media Home.  I can't
recommend either of them. The Intel Tools are really more of an ad-hoc test
tool for people developing UPnP hardware and software. The Nero client was
sluggish and a bit unstable, but had a very nice user-interface and
playlist building capablity.  I haven't use On2Share myself but I've heard
that it also suffers from stability issues.  I belive that these will get
better over time but as I said, the choices are limited right now.

Hope that helps!

> Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'll try one more time. As your
> answer was 100% accurate.
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>
> Hardwired switched 100 MBs.

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REC - 26 May 2005 22:30 GMT
Yes it does. Thank you. The software you recommend turns the PC into a DMR.

Since  Id like to have music playing in one room and the other room,
hopefully in sync. I tried a few things in the meantime.

I have gotten winamp and jetcast to perform this function. In testing with
the wireless network , latency was huge. When I served from one computer and
streamed to two others, I got better results than if I played/served and
played. Im moving over to the wired network to see if thats better... Im a
little surpised that P2P technology hasnt gotten a little better for this
application. I cant be the first one to want to do this...

> Yes, Windows Media Connect will serve media streams from your computer
> downstairs to your computer upstairs.  Windows Media Player is not involved
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> >
> > Hardwired switched 100 MBs.
Alan Ludwig [MS] - 27 May 2005 17:25 GMT
I think the typical answer for folks who want to play the same music in
sync in several rooms of the house is to wire speakers from the same stereo
in those rooms and to get an RF remote control.  It isn't very hi-tech but
it is probably the easiest solution until another product comes along.

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Guy B - 29 May 2005 14:35 GMT
Vypress Tonecast is another solution... and it does include the broadcast
capability you require

I use it to permanently broadcast a home-PA system over my network... my
house was wired with Cat-6 but not for audio so this was the easiest
solution.  I use Microsoft SRVANY from the windows resouce kit to run both
the server and the clients as a service so they automatically start with
windows and after configuration do not require a user interface (i.e., are
invisible)

>I think the typical answer for folks who want to play the same music in
> sync in several rooms of the house is to wire speakers from the same
> stereo
> in those rooms and to get an RF remote control.  It isn't very hi-tech but
> it is probably the easiest solution until another product comes along.
Derek R. Flickinger - 29 May 2005 20:27 GMT
Another option is to consider an IP-based solution like NetStreams' DigiLinX
products (http://www.netstreams.com/fl_products.aspx?ID=2).  They obtain
audio synchronization within 2 mS between any of the endpoints.  The down
side is that they currently are not a UPnP compliant Media Renderer, so
integration with WMC is not very good.

Regards,

 =D-

Derek R. Flickinger
InteractiveHomesInc.com

>I think the typical answer for folks who want to play the same music in
> sync in several rooms of the house is to wire speakers from the same
> stereo
> in those rooms and to get an RF remote control.  It isn't very hi-tech but
> it is probably the easiest solution until another product comes along.
 
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