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Windows Forum / Windows Media / Player / December 2007Multiple Artist Indexing Probs with WMP10
I am running WMP Vers 10.00.00.3646 on WinXP Pro w SP2 I am experiencing problems with the indexing of multiple artists very similar to many of the cooments in this newsgroup regarding the same problem with WMP9 Specifically, I have many songs (which were imported from the WMP9 database when I installed WMP10) which have 2 or 3 artists listed in the artists column. These were laboriously entered manually under WMP9 e.g. Benny Goodman; Helen Forrest In WMP10 the song appears under ONLY the first artist in the "Album Artist" list on the left. In the example above, the song appears under Benny Goodman only and NOT under Helen Forrest. If I reverse the order of the artist entry (i.e. Helen Forrest; Benny Goodman), the song now lists under Helen Forrest and not under Benny Goodman. If I enter "Benny Goodman; Helen Forrest" (without the quotes) into the ALBUM ARTIST field, A new entry in the index on the left is created called "Benny Goodman; Helen Forrest" - so it appears the the separator is NOT recognised. I am very confused. Does WMP 10 support multiple artists in the "ARTIST" or "ALBUM ARTIST" columns? How can I ask that Windows Media Player regenerate the entire database using the information only from the ARTIST or ALBUM ARTIST, ALBUM and GENRE fields (and NOT the internet) Can anyone help?  SignatureCamelToe Have you tried to look inside "Contributing Artist". All my songs (of the same title) under different artists are in the "Contributing Artist" category. I don't know why some are missing when I look inside "Album Artist". So now I always use the "Contributing Artist" column. > I am running WMP Vers 10.00.00.3646 on WinXP Pro w SP2 > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- > CamelToe Thanks Michael The Contributing Artist Index list shows the multiple artists entered into the "Artist" column and solves the problem. My only comment is it's certainly not obvious as to how it works. The key word "contibuting" is not contained in the Help section and I can find no mention of "Contributing Artist" and how it works in the Help files. It is also NOT a field you can update using Advanced Tag Editor or display as a column. Thx again for your help. CamelToe > Have you tried to look inside "Contributing Artist". All my songs (of the > same title) under different artists are in the "Contributing Artist" [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > -- > > CamelToe I must be stupid, because I am still having a problem. In my case, the song is sung by Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, but I also wanted it listed under Andrew Lloyd Webber and both artists separately. Separating them by semicolons in the normal artist area didn't work, as reported in this thread. Using the Advanced Tag Editor, I found no specific area for "Contributing Artist." There were a number of other Artist areas available. Leaving "Michael Crawford; Sarah Brightman" as the artist for the time being, I tried entering just Andrew Lloyd Webber as Album Artist. That resulted in the song being listed under Andrew Lloyd Webber but not Michael Crawford anymore. How would you suggest I have three artists for a single song listed so that the song appears under each one individually? In this case, I want the song to be listed under Crawford, Brightman and Webber, so I can find them in any of those three lists of artists. Thanks for the help. Ed Isenberg > Have you tried to look inside "Contributing Artist". All my songs (of the > same title) under different artists are in the "Contributing Artist" [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > -- > > CamelToe > I must be stupid, because I am still having a problem. > > In my case, the song is sung by Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, but I > also wanted it listed under Andrew Lloyd Webber and both artists separately. > Separating them by semicolons in the normal artist area didn't work, as > reported in this thread. See http://msmvps.com/thinice/articles/15229.aspx, final paragraph. > Using the Advanced Tag Editor, I found no specific area for "Contributing > Artist." Due to poor design and terminology throughout WMP, see same article. I still feel stupid, because I do not see any place to ENTER "Contributing Artist". It is not one of the library fields, and isn't in the Advanced Tag Editor. Oddly enough there is a tree for it, but I can't figure out where WMP gets the information that a particular song has such-and-such a Contributing Artist. I can create a new Auto Playlist based on Contributing Artist, but that doesn't tell me where to enter the iinfo. Clicking on "My Playlists" "New" does nothing. I do gather that trying to enter multiple artists under the Artist name is now useless as there are unpredictable results. As someone who has been a Product Manager for many software products from very major companies, I cannot believe that Microsoft released such garbage. Any more info you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Ed > > I must be stupid, because I am still having a problem. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Due to poor design and terminology throughout WMP, see same article. > I still feel stupid, because I do not see any place to ENTER "Contributing > Artist". It is not one of the library fields, and isn't in the Advanced Tag [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that doesn't tell me where to enter the iinfo. Clicking on "My Playlists" > "New" does nothing. If you check my table in the article I referenced, you get a guide as to where to go. WMP has completely stuffed up any attempt at consistent terminology, so "Contributing Artist" is labelled differently in nearly every part of the UI. > I do gather that trying to enter multiple artists under the Artist name is > now useless as there are unpredictable results. Depends what you mean by "Artist" (see above). > As someone who has been a Product Manager for many software products from > very major companies, I cannot believe that Microsoft released such garbage. Heck I worked on about 8 Microsoft products and consider it a total embarrassment. There are a number of areas which contravene Microsoft's own long-published guidelines. Please check this: I put three different names in Contributing artist field separated by a semicolon (;) "First name; Second name; Third name" Ok, now I can see three nodes in the Contributing artist tree on the left pane. Clever, I say. If I create an autoplaylist with just one name - whichever - I can find those tracks. Now I want to create a playlist to find all the tracks with the first two names I put in the field so I do: "Field Contributing artist contains: "First name" "Field Contributing artist contains: "Second name" How many tracks I will find? No one! Then I try putting "First name/ Second name/ third name" instead of using (;). Now I can see just the node "First name/ Second name/ Third name" in the tree but when I create the autoplaylist like the one above I can find the tracks. Does anybody know a way to save the clever behaviour of the tree using (;) but without having to loose the autoplaylist retrieving feature? Thanks in advance. P.S. Does any field work in the same way? I mean, with (;)? Thanks again. > > I still feel stupid, because I do not see any place to ENTER "Contributing > > Artist". It is not one of the library fields, and isn't in the Advanced Tag [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > embarrassment. There are a number of areas which contravene Microsoft's > own long-published guidelines. > Please check this: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How many tracks I will find? No one! Same result for me. Fails for both "contains" and "is". That's kind of consistent with the bug in having multiple search clauses on different fields looking for the same name. Item #34 here: http://msmvps.com/thinice/articles/16084.aspx I'm starting to see why delaying WinFS integration in Longhorn is a good thing since WMP library features represent similar features to what would be found generically in the Windows file-system in the future. > Then I try putting "First name/ Second name/ third name" instead of using (;). > Now I can see just the node "First name/ Second name/ Third name" in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Does anybody know a way to save the clever behaviour of the tree using (;) > but without having to loose the autoplaylist retrieving feature? The closest you might get it to do the query as Music in my Library Containing Artist1 + Music in my Library Containing Artist2 That gets you the union of the entries, not the desired intersection. Intersecting filter cases don't appear to have been tested. Apparently this is just worse in WMP11 :-( Can't get it to work - not even with the info from Mike /Lars > > I must be stupid, because I am still having a problem. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Due to poor design and terminology throughout WMP, see same article. Eh? How specifically did you try to edit this? "Michael Crawford;Sarah Brightman" as the Contributing Artist field. I would also recommend the movie Condorman to any Michael Crawford fan. SignatureSpeaking for myself only. See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info. This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. -- > Apparently this is just worse in WMP11 :-( > Can't get it to work - not even with the info from Mike [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Due to poor design and terminology throughout WMP, see same article. > Does WMP 10 support multiple artists in the "ARTIST" or "ALBUM ARTIST" > columns? Read this article: http://msmvps.com/thinice/articles/15229.aspx MIke, your link was very helpful. Thanks. BUT How complicated and messy and confusing is this piece of software. I am not sure how the average Joe who just wants to index a few tunes in WMP 10 is expected to find the information required to allow them to do this (other than searching newsgroups and relying on others to answer what SHOULD be part of the WMP documentation IMHO. CamelToe > > Does WMP 10 support multiple artists in the "ARTIST" or "ALBUM ARTIST" > > columns? > > Read this article: http://msmvps.com/thinice/articles/15229.aspx > MIke, your link was very helpful. Thanks. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than searching newsgroups and relying on others to answer what SHOULD be part > of the WMP documentation IMHO. The Artist clarification could have happened in the product long ago. I reported it in the beta for version 9, and they have actually made it worse sicne then. Very little care has gone into the library and album acquisition features (you'll notice how they are barely covered in the official FAQs). |
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