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How to manually enter album/track data easily?

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Lawrence - 30 Dec 2004 02:34 GMT
I'm trying to use WMP's CD ripping capability with some
lectures-on-CD and I'm having a fit trying to get my
"album" and tracks labeled.

After inserting the disk and going to the Rip tab, it shows
the CD as having unknown title, unknown artist and no track
names.

This isn't a problem, I understand how the disc contains
none of that information. I'm happy to enter the requisite
data, but WMP makes it very hard.

First of all, I see how I can manually edit the track
information directly on the screen, but how do I give the
"album" a title and artist name? I can't see any way to
enter this information directly. Also, I'd like to use the
same artist for all the individual tracks (in addition to
an overall artist name on the album), but WMP makes me
enter the name once for each track.

Of course I've tried the "Find Album Info" method, but this
can be even more bizarre.

The "Find Album Info" is actually helpful as I use "Type
information for a personally created CD..." to get a set of
fields I can fill in, such as Album title and Artist name
for the album in addition to the track names. Plus, when I
enter an artist for an individual track, it nicely copies
the same artist to all tracks. (Of course, why it won't let
you move on without giving at least one track a name is a
complete mystery to me...and inconvenient.)

However, when I try to "Finish" with these fields filled
in, the player often seems to thrash while updating the
Media Library. It seems to be looking for this "Album" on
the internet (metaservices.windowsmedia.com ???), despite
the fact that I just told it I'm typing in names for a
personally created CD. While sometimes the method works,
correctly renaming the fields of my ripped files as I
indicated, frequently it comes back with a message "The
service is not available at this time, click CLOSE and try
again later." Then it loses all the information I entered. Ugh.

I don't have to tell any of you how ridiculous this is.
While super-duper internet lookups for album information
are clearly very useful, why is it so difficult to do the
simplest of tasks, like entering track and album data
manually? OK, editorial over.

Can someone help me here? How do I name these albums and
artists without all these hassles?
Mike Williams [MVP] - 30 Dec 2004 03:38 GMT
> I'm trying to use WMP's CD ripping capability with some
> lectures-on-CD and I'm having a fit trying to get my
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> information directly on the screen, but how do I give the
> "album" a title and artist name?

Fill in the Album-title and Album-Artist fields. If you do it in the rip
pane, it updates all tracks (same goes for genre), but not elsewhere.

<snip>

> I don't have to tell any of you how ridiculous this is.
> While super-duper internet lookups for album information
> are clearly very useful, why is it so difficult to do the
> simplest of tasks, like entering track and album data
> manually? OK, editorial over.

No idea. But given the downward trend with v10, I don't think anyone's
looking at this issue closely (on the team that is).

> Can someone help me here? How do I name these albums and
> artists without all these hassles?

See http://msmvps.com/thinice/articles/15229.aspx for description of
issues associated with naming. The rest of the blog mainly covers the
rest of the problems with WMP v9/10 library.
Lawrence - 31 Dec 2004 02:26 GMT
Thanks for your response. However, I'm still confused. I
must be missing something.

You suggested that I "Fill in the Album-title and
Album-Artist fields. If you do it in the rip pane, it
updates all tracks (same goes for genre), but not elsewhere."

When I am in the rip pane the album title and album artist
are displayed above the spreadsheet-like list of tracks,
but those two pieces of information are displayed as
editable fields. So how can I enter that information? The
only way I have found to get editable fields for the album
title and artist is to click first on the "Find album info"
and to select.

And if I do click on the "Find album info" button and enter
my own information, upon trying to "Finish" and update the
library I get the "Service unavailable" error and WMP
deletes all that information I entered.

So how do I reliably enter this information? Sorry to
repeat myself, but I'm not sure I understood the suggested
solution.

And, implied in this question is also the question "is
there a better WMA ripper than WMP?"

Thanks for your help.

>-----Original Message-----
>> I'm trying to use WMP's CD ripping capability with some
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>rest of the problems with WMP v9/10 library.
>.
Mike Williams [MVP] - 31 Dec 2004 05:53 GMT
> Thanks for your response. However, I'm still confused. I
> must be missing something.
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> but those two pieces of information are displayed as
> editable fields. So how can I enter that information?

Double-click on a track to get into Edit mode, or right-click on a track
and select Edit or Advanced Tag Editor.
Brandy - 27 Jan 2006 21:26 GMT
Mike:

  All of the information you've given suggests that there is NO way to
manually override the Artist/Album information unless you do it from the RIP
screen, either before or after they are rip'd.  It seems ludicrous that if
you can manually enter the track information on a CD that you just put in the
computer to listen to, (and don't plan to rip), and WMP can recognize and
pull up that information on subsequent insertions of the CD, you should be
able to manually enter the Album title and Artist the same way.

  I make MANY versions of my own demo-CD's, or demo-CD's of other
musician-friends, and I should be able to use the WMP library to keep and
store this information like other products do, (WinAmp, iTunes, to name a
couple).  Why is this so difficult?

 B. Herbert

> > Thanks for your response. However, I'm still confused. I
> > must be missing something.
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> Double-click on a track to get into Edit mode, or right-click on a track
> and select Edit or Advanced Tag Editor.
Mike Williams - 29 Jan 2006 18:14 GMT
> Mike:
>
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>>Double-click on a track to get into Edit mode, or right-click on a track
>>and select Edit or Advanced Tag Editor.

My post is being read out of context. In the RIP pane the cited fields
only have to be filled in for one track and are updated across all the
album tracks. In the LIBRARY pane this does not apply.
Brandy - 31 Jan 2006 23:08 GMT
That was my point... It doesn't work in the LIBRARY pane, and it makes no
sense to me that you can edit track-names in the LIBRARY pane, but not
Album/Artist information.   I'm not trying to be confrontational, but as I
mentioned before, WinAmp, iTunes, Roxio/AudioCentral, and all of the other
major juke-box type applications allow that information to be modified simply
by clicking on the field.  Why does WMP not allow it?

Thanks,

 B>

> My post is being read out of context. In the RIP pane the cited fields
> only have to be filled in for one track and are updated across all the
> album tracks. In the LIBRARY pane this does not apply.

Brandy:
> > It seems ludicrous that if (in the LIBRARY pane)
> > you can manually enter the track information on a CD that you just put in the
> > computer to listen to, (and don't plan to rip), and WMP can recognize and
> > pull up that information on subsequent insertions of the CD, you should be
> > able to manually enter the Album title and Artist the same way.
Mike Williams - 31 Jan 2006 07:07 GMT
> That was my point... It doesn't work in the LIBRARY pane,

Ah the central point that you failed to mention...very common on this
newsgroup.

 and it makes no
> sense to me that you can edit track-names in the LIBRARY pane, but not
> Album/Artist information.   I'm not trying to be confrontational, but as I
> mentioned before, WinAmp, iTunes, Roxio/AudioCentral, and all of the other
> major juke-box type applications allow that information to be modified simply
> by clicking on the field.  Why does WMP not allow it?

My point is that WMP usually does. You may be trying to do something
differently, like switching my bottom-post to top-post to make this
conversation harder to read.

> Thanks,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>>pull up that information on subsequent insertions of the CD, you should be
>>>able to manually enter the Album title and Artist the same way.
Lawrence - 31 Dec 2004 05:53 GMT
I hadn't realized that the the fields on the top half of
the "Rip" window were user-controlled.

I can just add "Album Artist" and "Album Name" to the list
and edit them as I would edit any other field.

My screen was pre-set not to include those fields and I
didn't realize I could change that.

Again, thanks for your help.
>-----Original Message-----
>> I'm trying to use WMP's CD ripping capability with some
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>rest of the problems with WMP v9/10 library.
>.
 
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