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Swifty - 01 Apr 2008 05:48 GMT

I have just acquired a CD by the Swedish group Anglagard, except the
first letter is an A-umlaut and the second "a" is an a-ring.

In my "Songs" display, albums are listed alphabetically by artist, with
Anglagard falling between Andreas Vollenweider and Anonymous 4. This
seems right to me.

However, in the "Artist" display, Anglagard is in a section all by itself.

I don't know the relative merits of these two approaches; I'd need to
get the opinion of someone Swedish, but they are certainly inconsistent.

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Wilkes - 01 Apr 2008 15:57 GMT

Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that they don't do when displaying Artists. Probably converting Ä to just A and then doing the sort.

When doing the sort for Songs the pr-sort filter has probably converted the Ä to just A for the sort. Then when sorting Artists the Ä remains a Ä and is treated as a different character than just A. I believe this would put Ä in the Artist display between the A's and the B's. The sort value for just A is 0x0041 but Ä is 0x00C4.

Just my 2¢

Wilkes

>I have just acquired a CD by the Swedish group Anglagard, except the
> first letter is an A-umlaut and the second "a" is an a-ring.
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> I don't know the relative merits of these two approaches; I'd need to
> get the opinion of someone Swedish, but they are certainly inconsistent.

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Swifty - 02 Apr 2008 19:26 GMT

> Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds
> like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that
> they don't do when displaying Artists. Probably converting Ä to just A
> and then doing the sort.

Yes, I agree. I mentions Swedish input only because it occurred to me
that I have no idea if Ä should be included *with* the "A"s, come before
them, come after them, or come somewhere else entirely.

All I do know is that appearing differently in two panes of the same
application is almost certainly wrong.

However, I've been proven wrong myself often enough that I still apply a
liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg

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Wilkes - 03 Apr 2008 15:34 GMT

Of course the right answer is "it depends" (speaking of weaseling). I think
it should be dependant on the language your PC is set to rather than what
language the word is from. I'm thinking this way because if you set your PC
to English I don't think it can really tell the origin language of a given
word.

For a description of collating sequences see;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collating_sequence

Since the PC doesn't change languages when displaying Songs or Artists in
WMP11 I believe WMP should show things in the same order in both the Song
and Artist display.

Wilkes

>> Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds
>> like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that
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> liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
> See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg

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Vincent - 03 Apr 2008 23:48 GMT

In the advanced tag editor is an option to choose a language.
Slightest ID if this helps

> Of course the right answer is "it depends" (speaking of weaseling). I think
> it should be dependant on the language your PC is set to rather than what
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> > liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
> > See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg

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zachd [MSFT] - 01 May 2008 09:23 GMT

I swore I responded to this recently, maybe under the guise of the Swedish
V/W discussion. If I recall correctly, it's simply a difference in the Sort
vs alphabetize calls as noted and there's naught to be done that I'm aware
of there.

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>I have just acquired a CD by the Swedish group Anglagard, except the first
>letter is an A-umlaut and the second "a" is an a-ring.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I don't know the relative merits of these two approaches; I'd need to get
> the opinion of someone Swedish, but they are certainly inconsistent.

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