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Gigabeat S60, WMP, and Media Center TV Pack .wtv Files

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Yogi - 21 Aug 2008 01:42 GMT
I recently installed the new TV Pack for Windows Media Center (previously
codenamed Fiji). Media Center now records TV shows as .wtv files instead of
the old .dvr-ms files. Now, Windows Media Player 11 does not show them in
its Recorded TV section but instead in the Video section. I used to use the
Sync Playlist "TV Shows Recorded in the Last Week," but it is now empty
since WMP doesn't see the .wtv files as Recorded TV. Also, even if I try to
manually create a playlist to sync the TV shows from the Video section, WMP
fails to convert the files. I love some of the features of the new TV Pack,
but I miss being able to sync my last weeks worth of TV to the Gigabeat.
Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Yogi
zachd [MSFT] - 24 Aug 2008 09:30 GMT
This sounds like you would want to follow up on this in Media Center-centric
forums.  If there are new file types that might require new plug-ins to the
player, that would probably come from Media Center. =\

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>I recently installed the new TV Pack for Windows Media Center (previously
> codenamed Fiji). Media Center now records TV shows as .wtv files instead
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> Thanks,
> Yogi
Yogi - 25 Aug 2008 14:31 GMT
The new .wtv files play fine in Windows Media Player since they are really
just MPEG-2 files the same as .dvr-ms, it just doesn't detect them as "TV
Shows" and it also can't transcode them for syncing. I would think the Media
Center and WMP developers would work together to get their new files to work
correctly. They obviously had to at some point to get the older .dvr-ms
files to be supported in WMP. I'm thinking it probably won't be fixed until
there is an update to WMP, but with WMP obviously now the redheaded
stepchild next to Zune and the Zune Media Player, who knows when/if that
will happen.

Yogi

> This sounds like you would want to follow up on this in Media
> Center-centric forums.  If there are new file types that might require new
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>> Thanks,
>> Yogi
zachd [MSFT] - 28 Aug 2008 09:43 GMT
They're not necessarily MPEG2 files.

This is a Media Center centered question, trust me.  When the DVR-MS files
were added, the Media Center team added that support.  The player's a
pluggable system: if Media Center wants to add WTV support, they can.  Since
I was talking to the Media Center team today about WTV files, I'm pretty
certain that they care greatly about Windows Media Player.

I'm a redheaded stepchild and I feel pretty loved in life.  =\

Take WTV questions to Media Center-centric resources for now.  WTV functions
as a Media Center plug-in format to the player.

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> The new .wtv files play fine in Windows Media Player since they are really
> just MPEG-2 files the same as .dvr-ms, it just doesn't detect them as "TV
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Yogi
Yogi - 17 Sep 2008 22:57 GMT
Didn't mean anything by the redheaded stepchild comment... it's just a
common saying. However, it turns out that I was right about Zune being the
higher priority as the new Zune 3.0 software can see and sync WTV files.

Yogi

> They're not necessarily MPEG2 files.
>
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yogi
zachd [MSFT] - 18 Sep 2008 02:57 GMT
Yeah, I"m aware, I was just joshing you. :)

Yes, the Zune software that shipped post-WTV can do post-WTV code changes.
The player that shipped pre-WTV is not able to forwardly "anticipate" the
WTV changes, and the Media Center team can add the relevant changes as
needed through the variety of extensible systems that the player has in
place (and that Zune does not).  This is very much an apples and oranges
comparison.  I vaguely see your external viewpoint, but 'higher priority' is
making reference to two pretty completely different entities and codebases
such that there really isn't any *useful* comparison that can be made.  From
my point of view.

I don't think I can stress strongly enough my previous comments that for
this area of interest (WTV) you should at this time follow up on the *Media
Center* side.  I'm not interested in advocating players, merely in helping
you find effective routes to get what you want.  =)

Cheers,
-Z
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> Didn't mean anything by the redheaded stepchild comment... it's just a
> common saying. However, it turns out that I was right about Zune being the
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>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Yogi
Yogi - 18 Sep 2008 16:20 GMT
I understand what you're saying about the players being two completely
separate projects. However, when I say that Zune has become a "higher
priority," I am referring to the fact that since the time WMP11 was released
(October 30, 2006) there have been three major releases of the Zune
Software. Features such as Podcasting support and now WTV file support are
in the Zune Software. Meanwhile, WMP becomes more and more stale.

When the Zune first arrived, I was very disappointed that Microsoft had
decided to follow the "Apple" way of doing things and created an end-to-end
ecosystem that was completely closed and proprietary. I much preferred the
open Portable Media Center product that MS had developed that followed the
old-school "Microsoft" way of creating software that can be used by multiple
OEMs and syncs to the much more open WMP. It could be used with many
different media stores available directly within WMP such as Urge. It was a
great design that died on the vine when the Zune was released. It's funny to
me that MS is known as the closed, anti-competition company and they're
becoming more-so by following Apple.

I have resisted replacing my aging Gigabeat S60 with a newer Zune since I
was hoping that MS would give up the "Apple" approach and combine the Zune
Software and WMP and allow both the Zune and other devices to sync with the
unified media player software. Having two competing media players within the
same company is confusing at best. I was also holding out hoping that the
next major version of Windows Mobile would come with a new, enhanced WMP
Mobile that had an interface based on PMC/Zune and that the devices would
have increased storage. It frustrates me to no end when I read articles or
hear technology pundits clamor for Microsoft to release a Zune Phone to
compete with the iPhone. I don't understand why people want MS to become
closed and proprietary like Apple.

I hope this post isn't too off-topic for this newsgroup. I have indeed tried
to follow up on the Media Center side, in such places as
microsoft.public.windows.mediacenter and the forums at thegreenbutton.com
(which is owned by MS), but I've gotten no response. I know that you don't
have any control over getting WTV files to work in WMP, and thank you for
the information that you have provided. I guess this post is more of a rant
of the frustrations from an end-user of multiple Microsoft products and you
happen to be the only MS person that's replied.  :-)

Thanks,
Yogi

> Yeah, I"m aware, I was just joshing you. :)
>
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>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Yogi
Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] - 26 Aug 2008 00:14 GMT
>I recently installed the new TV Pack for Windows Media Center (previously
>codenamed Fiji). Media Center now records TV shows as .wtv files instead of

Is that available for Download ? I thought it was OEM
(manufacturer-only) software and wasn't released to end users ?

If so, where's good to grab the tryout ?

Cheers - Neil
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