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M4A to what format?

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Rick Humphrey - 27 Apr 2007 18:20 GMT
I goofed and did not think in advance of what I was doing and used iTunes to
rip  80 CD's or so of Jazz CD's that I own, I beleive that all files were
ripped as M4A format.    Later on iTunes did something to start causing me to
have multiple Blue Screens of Death... so I refuse to put it back on my
development machine (that I just resigned myself to re-imaging and haven't
slept in 4 days).....  Ok so now I have 4 GB of music that I can not listen
to..... What is the most reasonable course of action to correct this mess,  
balancing Sound Quality most important with Storage Size 2nd most important
3rd most import what kind of devices can I play the tunes in later...  I
envision having a portable device for playing all this music through my 1)
current stereo 2) Car stereos 3) headphones....  I don't even have an iPod,
what was I thinking? doooobbbbbttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please Help,

Rick
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 27 Apr 2007 18:40 GMT
Hi Rick,

Strange as this will sound, the Microsoft Zune (http://www.zune.net) player
(and you don't need to have a Zune device to use it) will actually play M4A
tracks natively.

Additionally I understand there are some M4A to MP3 converters, I even found
one that's free (AltoMP3 Gold 5.0) but I don't know how well it works or what
comes with it.  

Good luck with whatever you decide!
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> I goofed and did not think in advance of what I was doing and used iTunes to
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Rick Humphrey - 27 Apr 2007 19:24 GMT
Hey thanks Mike,

So I guess I do not have do anything in the way of conversion, to play what
I've already ripped that is, and since this Zune thing is a Microsoft App it
won't mess me up in other ways,  (well it depends....right) .... ok ,,,  So
anything new like the other remaining 120 CD's or so I should then use WMP to
rip, try afew samples and determine what the best Sound Quality is at the
lowest File size, I'm guessing.

Thanks for steering me in the right direction,

Rick


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Mike Poz [MSFT] - 27 Apr 2007 19:58 GMT
Rick,

If you install Zune software, you can use that to rip your remaining CDs to
WMA or MP3 format, it's very similar to WMP in ripping functionality and
formats to which you can rip.

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Rick Humphrey - 27 Apr 2007 20:08 GMT
Yes of course, thanks donwloading Zune to VMC now and uploading ISO of iTunes
to give it a whirl,  any idea if it can play well with W2K3 R2 SP2?

Thanks you are a tremendous help, I may have music again shortly....  Rick

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Mike Poz [MSFT] - 27 Apr 2007 20:42 GMT
Hi Rick,

Unfortunately neither WMP 11 nor Zune will install on Windows Server 2k3.  
You'll have to use XP or Vista.

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> Yes of course, thanks donwloading Zune to VMC now and uploading ISO of iTunes
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Corentin Cras-Méneur - 27 Apr 2007 21:37 GMT
> Hi Rick,
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>  Unfortunately neither WMP 11 nor Zune will install on Windows Server 2k3.
> You'll have to use XP or Vista.

You could try the Real Player. I believe it also reads M4A.

Corentin

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Dale - 28 Apr 2007 02:12 GMT
But iTunes works well on W2K3.

Dale
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Dale - 28 Apr 2007 02:10 GMT
Almost for sure, iTunes was not causing your blue screens.  blue screens are
virtually always the result of hardware failures or defective or corrupted
hardware drivers.

In any case, whether ripping using iTunes or Media Player, I suggest ripping
to MP3 for the ultimate in compatability.  Every MP3 player plays MP3s.  Not
every MP3 player plays WMA.  Not every MP3 player plays AAC.  Nothing says
"MP3" like, well, MP3s.

The only exception is if you are ripping to a lossless format - either AAC
with iTunes or WMA with Media Player - because then you can do a conversion
by burning a CD and then ripping to any format you want.

As it is, if you convert from any lossy format to any other lossy format,
the quality degredation increases logorithmically.

Dale
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> I goofed and did not think in advance of what I was doing and used iTunes to
> rip  80 CD's or so of Jazz CD's that I own, I beleive that all files were
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John Lockwood - 30 Apr 2007 10:53 GMT
On 28/4/07 02:10, in article
4C92CBE9-9191-4A73-BA92-D610C1513314@microsoft.com, "Dale"
<dale0973@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> ... The only exception is if you are ripping to a lossless format - either AAC
> with iTunes or WMA with Media Player - because then you can do a conversion
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> Dale

Dale, AAC is a lossey format, you mean Apple Lossless also known as ALAC
which is as its name suggests is lossless.
Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] - 28 Apr 2007 22:22 GMT
>I goofed and did not think in advance of what I was doing and used iTunes to
>rip  80 CD's or so of Jazz CD's that I own, I beleive that all files were
>ripped as M4A format.  

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> Ok so now I have 4 GB of music that I can not listen to.....

Install the Orban plugin http://www.orban.com/plugin/ and your M4A
tracks will play just fine.

I've not tried the plugin on WS2003 but there's no obvious reason it
wouldn't work on that platform. Note that WS2003 isn't intended to be
operated as a client platform, however.

HTH
Cheers - Neil
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John Lockwood - 30 Apr 2007 10:51 GMT
On 27/4/07 18:20, in article
F3D52289-FE8F-427C-9CF5-6D9E5E9813A4@microsoft.com, "Rick Humphrey"
<RickHumphrey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I goofed and did not think in advance of what I was doing and used iTunes to
> rip  80 CD's or so of Jazz CD's that I own, I beleive that all files were
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> Rick

Depending on what version of iTunes you were trying and what version of
Windows you are running it might be worth updating iTunes (latest version is
7.1.1). However currently it is not 100% compatible with Vista (it causes me
no problems in XP Pro).

Regard M4A, in this case this refers to AAC encoded music which is the
default format used by iTunes (it could also refer to Apple Lossless but
that is not the default and therefore unlikely to be the case here).

There are plenty of AAC directshow filters you can add to Windows Media
Player which along with the WMPTSE plugin will let you add all the AAC files
and play them in WMP.

For example http://www.orban.com/plugin

For WMPTSE see http://wmptagext.sourceforge.net/

As I mentioned there is a much less likely possibility that your music is in
Apple Lossless. This is a different codec to AAC (AAC is lossey) but uses
the same M4A file format and tag format. While there are several AAC
directshow filters there is only ONE Apple Lossless directshow filter. You
will also need to use WMPTSE again (to let WMP read the meta tags).

For Apple Lossless directshow filter go here http://dsp-worx.de/ and follow
the January 8th 2007 entry. As you can see, it is based on my idea.

Note: the above Apple Lossless filter also supports AAC as well and ALAC
stands for Apple Lossless Audio Codec (i.e. it is the same thing as Apple
Lossless).
 
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