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Having quite a few problems with WMP11

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Tharrick - 16 Jun 2007 11:43 GMT
I've had a few problems with WMP11 since I switched to Vista.
I guess the main one is that it keeps randomly removing artists from my
library. Tracks will still play if they're part of a playlist, but I have to
re-add the artist. It's not even obscure unplayed ones either - the latest
one was Children of Bodom, and lastfm lists them as my 11th favourite artist
The other one is that it won't show the length of many of my playlists in
the playlists screen. It shows the number of tracks and the length of three
of the 8 playlists I have set up, but not the rest. And when I try the
'select all the items and it'll display in the chrome' thing - it doesn't. It
tells me the number of items, but not the total length.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 16 Jun 2007 18:30 GMT
Tharrick,

 The duration thing you're seeing is typically caused by content that
doesn't have a duration in the file header.   Are you using WAV content?

 By "randomly removing artists from my playlist, are you saying the whole
albums by that artist disappears or is the content still listed in the
library it's just that the artist metadata is no longer present?

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> I've had a few problems with WMP11 since I switched to Vista.
> I guess the main one is that it keeps randomly removing artists from my
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> 'select all the items and it'll display in the chrome' thing - it doesn't. It
> tells me the number of items, but not the total length.
Tharrick - 16 Jun 2007 19:36 GMT
> Tharrick,
>
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> albums by that artist disappears or is the content still listed in the
> library it's just that the artist metadata is no longer present?

By 'randomly removing artists from my library' I mean that the artist is no
longer in the library - all the information on them is gone, their entry
disappears from the library entirely. Any tracks I have in playlists remain
in playlists though and play fine.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 16 Jun 2007 23:47 GMT
Okay, let's try something.  Interestingly enough, a corrupted media library
database file can cause all kinds of strangeness, and given that you're
actually having library issues, let's see if this will resolve the issue.

Go to this website:  http://www.zachd.com/pss/pss.html#medialibrary and
follow the instructions for Vista on resetting your library.  Please ignore
the MDAC note at the top of that section, that's for very old versions of
Windows.

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> > Tharrick,
> >
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> disappears from the library entirely. Any tracks I have in playlists remain
> in playlists though and play fine.
Tharrick - 19 Jun 2007 09:29 GMT
Cheers - i've renamed my media player folder, hopefully that'll resolve it.

As for the playlist durations not displaying, at least half of the playlists
that have the problem are made up entirely of mp3 files, not wav.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 19 Jun 2007 18:43 GMT
Even after the media library reset?  Our code reads the values out of the MP3
files headers, so if your media library is working properly and the MP3 files
all have a valid duration in their header, then the duration should work.

Right click one of the MP3 files in Windows Explorer, select the Summary tab
and then make sure you're in the advanced view.  Can you see the duration
there?

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> Cheers - i've renamed my media player folder, hopefully that'll resolve it.
>
> As for the playlist durations not displaying, at least half of the playlists
> that have the problem are made up entirely of mp3 files, not wav.
Tharrick - 19 Jun 2007 18:50 GMT
Even after that.

Yup, got a valid duration in there.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 19 Jun 2007 19:07 GMT
Okay, let's try a different approach.

Try creating a new profile and scanning the content into that profile's
media library.

Do you see the duration there?
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> Even after that.
>
> Yup, got a valid duration in there.
Tharrick - 25 Jun 2007 09:55 GMT
I have no idea how to create a new profile

Also, my library isn't fixed - it just deleted half of itself - playlists,
artists, tracks, the works.

> Okay, let's try a different approach.
>
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> >
> > Yup, got a valid duration in there.
Tharrick - 25 Jun 2007 13:21 GMT
OK, new profile created. Still doesn't have the duration of the playlist in
there.

All the tracks in the playlist have a duration listed in the media library
(on both profiles).
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 25 Jun 2007 20:24 GMT
Wait, I don't think I'm understanding you.  I thought you told me the tracks
didn't display the duration.  Now you're not saying that, it looks more like
you want a compiled playlist duration.

All this time you've wanted to know what the duration of all the combined
tracks in one playlist is?

This is addition to some artist data that seems to keep disappearing on you,
right?

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> OK, new profile created. Still doesn't have the duration of the playlist in
> there.
>
> All the tracks in the playlist have a duration listed in the media library
> (on both profiles).
Tharrick - 26 Jun 2007 18:03 GMT
I did say in my first post 'The other one is that it won't show the length of
many of my playlists in the playlists screen. '
What I want is to see,  when I go into the library and select 'playlists'
from the bar on the left, is the total duration of my playlist

In addition, whole sections of my library are spontaneously removing
themselves from the library (but the files remain on my hard drive) - for
example, I may find when I go into my library that many artists beginning
with 'd' are no longer recorded in the library, or that many of my playlists
are no longer there.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 26 Jun 2007 19:18 GMT
My apologies, I read into that something else.  I read into it that the items
*in* the playlists had no durations.  Not that there wasn't a duration total
for the playlist.  Reading the original post the word "total" doesn't exist
there.

Okay, with *that* understood, you're sadly out of luck with WMP 11.  It's a
complaint that we've received from many customers about WMP 11 and it's being
re-addressed for the next version.  Someone figured that nobody would care so
it got removed.  

Now they see that it was not the correct thing to do and so in the next
version it should be back.  Sorry for the confusion and wasting of your time
in trying to resolve this.

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> I did say in my first post 'The other one is that it won't show the length of
> many of my playlists in the playlists screen. '
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> with 'd' are no longer recorded in the library, or that many of my playlists
> are no longer there.
Tharrick - 26 Jun 2007 21:10 GMT
OK, cheers for helping anyway. I'll wait around for the next version - got no
other choice, since I'm running vista :P

Any advice on the other problem? 'Cause it's getting a bit irritating having
to constantly reimport whole chunks of my library every few days.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 26 Jun 2007 21:51 GMT
I went back through the posts and I'm still unclear about something.  You say
the artists disappear but the playlists you created still contain them.  Are
the actual music files still referenced in the general WMP library under the
Songs node or are they no longer there as well?

If they're no longer in the library in any manner other than the playlists
you created, are the disappearing artists files on an external hard drive or
network location?

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> OK, cheers for helping anyway. I'll wait around for the next version - got no
> other choice, since I'm running vista :P
>
> Any advice on the other problem? 'Cause it's getting a bit irritating having
> to constantly reimport whole chunks of my library every few days.
Tharrick - 27 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT
The actual music files are no longer referenced anywhere in the library,
except for within the playlists that some of them appear in. Some are on an
external, and some on my internal. Both go missing.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 27 Jun 2007 20:12 GMT
If it were external only, I would suggest that Windows is, from time to time,
"loosing" the drive, but an internal drive becoming unavailable is not common.

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea whe you're experiencing this, I've
pretty much run into a wall.  

The only thing I can think of is that there's something about your system
configuration that's causing this behavior but I wouldn't have the slightest
idea where to go from here.

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> The actual music files are no longer referenced anywhere in the library,
> except for within the playlists that some of them appear in. Some are on an
> external, and some on my internal. Both go missing.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 27 Jun 2007 20:14 GMT
A question:  Is it always the *same* artists that disappear or does it rotate
through different artists?

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> The actual music files are no longer referenced anywhere in the library,
> except for within the playlists that some of them appear in. Some are on an
> external, and some on my internal. Both go missing.
Tharrick - 28 Jun 2007 15:42 GMT
There are a few which vanish just about every time, but there'll usually be a
few vanish that hadn't before as well.

And since the majority of my music collection is on the one hard drive, I'd
have thought that if windows 'lost' it, most of my library rather than just
chunks would vanish.
Mike Poz [MSFT] - 29 Jun 2007 00:48 GMT
Hmm...  Okay, if it were the same artists consistantly, then I would either
suggest something about those files or the location of the drive that they're
on.  I dunno.

I'm at a complete loss here, I don't know why this is happening.  We've
tried resetting your library, tried creating a new profile, both with the
same results.

It's almost like there's a backup program that is reverting your library
because it's obviously not corrupted.

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> There are a few which vanish just about every time, but there'll usually be a
> few vanish that hadn't before as well.
>
> And since the majority of my music collection is on the one hard drive, I'd
> have thought that if windows 'lost' it, most of my library rather than just
> chunks would vanish.
 
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