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~BD~ - 04 Jul 2008 10:09 GMT
"Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment information
is kept confidential and secure.
Shopping on our site is safe!

When you provide us with any personal information including your name,
address, e-mail and credit card number, it is processed over a secure
connection on secure servers. We use Secure Socket Layers (SSL) to encrypt
all information you provide before sending it to our servers. SSL is the
industry standard and the best software available for secure ecommerce
transactions.

The VeriSign (PayPal) Secure Site Seal assures you that this web site has
been authenticated by PayPal and that confidential transactions with our
site are secured by SSL encryption."

Am I right in thinking that if a Keylogger is present on a computer, it can
read the 'raw' information before same is encrypted and sent to a site to
purchase goods, etc. ? In other words, personal and payment information may
NOT be secure.
Shenan Stanley - 04 Jul 2008 14:55 GMT
> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment
> information is kept confidential and secure.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> encrypted and sent to a site to purchase goods, etc. ? In other
> words, personal and payment information may NOT be secure.

Everything you quoted from the web page has nothing to do with everything
you asked about later.

If your computer is already compromised - you were in trouble long before
you ever visited any web page - and no web page (no matter how secure) can
protect you from yourself.

If you do not start with physical and personal security - no matter how
secure everything else is that you utilize (how secure someone else made the
stuff you might use) - you are still at risk.  You have to protect your
own - always and everywhere.

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Leonard Grey - 04 Jul 2008 15:52 GMT
What Shenan said.

Your house alarm ain't any good if you let the burgler in.

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>> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment
>> information is kept confidential and secure.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> stuff you might use) - you are still at risk.  You have to protect your
> own - always and everywhere.
~BD~ - 04 Jul 2008 18:13 GMT
EXACTLY!

So how can *we* let everyone who uses the Internet know this?

There must be a way!

Dave
Shenan Stanley - 04 Jul 2008 21:28 GMT
> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment
> information is kept confidential and secure.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> encrypted and sent to a site to purchase goods, etc. ? In other
> words, personal and payment information may NOT be secure.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Everything you quoted from the web page has nothing to do with
> everything you asked about later.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> else made the stuff you might use) - you are still at risk.  You
> have to protect your own - always and everywhere.

Leonard Grey wrote:
> What Shenan said.
>
> Your house alarm ain't any good if you let the burgler in.

> EXACTLY!
>
> So how can *we* let everyone who uses the Internet know this?
>
> There must be a way!

Not really.

Everyone learns differently and everyone has different access to different
media types (or interests even.)

In the end - you will always have some percentage who will be ignorant of
whatever subject you might believe is important.  What may be 'common
knowledge' to one will be 'complete confusion' to another.

No matter what - the weakest link is the end-user (for everything)... for it
does not matter how good of a tool you hand them, if they do not use it
properly (for whatever reason), the quality craftmanship of the tool does
not come into play.  (Same for knowledge - if you cannot get it to people
*at all* or in a manner they understand or in a way that interests them -
nothing is gained.)

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~BD~ - 09 Jul 2008 07:49 GMT
>> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment
>> information is kept confidential and secure.
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> *at all* or in a manner they understand or in a way that interests them -
> nothing is gained.)

Your comments are appreciated, Shenan Stanley. Thank you. However ..........

This Microsoft page should be 'enforced' reading for everyone wishing to use
a computer connected to the Internet!
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/default.mspx

Dave
VanguardLH - 05 Jul 2008 08:22 GMT
> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment information
> is kept confidential and secure.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> purchase goods, etc. ? In other words, personal and payment information may
> NOT be secure.

No one that is not on your host can secure it for you.  They can only
secure the communications that you send to THEM.  Security on your end
is your responsibility.
~BD~ - 05 Jul 2008 17:04 GMT
>> "Our site uses technology that ensures your personal and payment
>> information
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> secure the communications that you send to THEM.  Security on your end
> is your responsibility.

I'll take that as a 'yes' then!

Thanks for answering.

Dave
 
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