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Windows Forum / Security / Viruses / July 2008Malware Attacking Your Router?
"Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger or trojan, malicious programs are increasingly attacking the network router which is common with any internet connected home and/or office. An unwanted program can quickly make a change to your router settings that will immediately open all your computers to the world. The bad guys won't have to install a key logger, they'll be able to record every byte that goes across your network. It's happening now to thousands of routers which are still using their default name and password." So begins a recent item by Bill Pytlovany. Full detail here:- http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2008/06/malware-attacking-your-router.html Comments invited here! Dave [snip] > Comments invited here! Try posting to usenet for a few years before spamming Usenet.  Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) > [snip] >> Comments invited here! > > Try posting to usenet for a few years before spamming Usenet. I'd be grateful if you would explain your comment, Leythos. Do you not agree with the content of the item I posted? Dave From: "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> | I'd be grateful if you would explain your comment, Leythos. Do you not agree | with the content of the item I posted? | | Dave Please don't Multi-Post. Please learn to Cross-Post to pertinent, On Topic, News Groups instead. SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > [snip] > >> Comments invited here! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd be grateful if you would explain your comment, Leythos. Do you not agree > with the content of the item I posted? First, your lack understanding about and use of Usenet, including your broken Usenet client, is a good indicator that you're not highly technical or of a base that understands the Net well enough to be starting a blog to help people that you hope to see your message in here. You asked for comments, and being 100% honest and blunt, which many PC liberal types can't handle, I stated that you should post to usenet for a few years before you start spamming Usenet... with your blog. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) From: "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> | First, your lack understanding about and use of Usenet, including your | broken Usenet client, is a good indicator that you're not highly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | liberal types can't handle, I stated that you should post to usenet for | a few years before you start spamming Usenet... with your blog. Leythos: In all honesty, it isn't "his" Blog. It is by Bill P. author of WinPatrol. WinPatrol is a trusted anti malware utility. SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp >WinPatrol is a trusted anti malware utility. There is no such thing as a trusted anti malware utility. In news:ah5p54ls5gpb3875fkobvqfe7557hqgubj@4ax.com, Root Kit,whose name means 'bottom feeder', after much thought,came up with this jewel: >> WinPatrol is a trusted anti malware utility. > > There is no such thing as a trusted anti malware utility. ok-I'll bite...So how would you describe WinPatrol? -- Virus Removal http://max.shplink.com/removal.html I block all spam/googlegroupers-you can too! http://improve-usenet.org/index.html Change nomail.afraid.org to gmail.com to reply by email. From: "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> >>WinPatrol is a trusted anti malware utility. | There is no such thing as a trusted anti malware utility. Not true at all! Since there are rogue anti malware utilities associated with the WinFixer and SmitFruad Trojan groups that are in fact malware. Trojans are installed on the unsuspecting computer users that goad them to purchase so-called anti malware software that does not do what they puport they will do. Their goal is just to extract money from you. Then there are trusted anti malware utilities that perform what they say they will do. Remove malware. These are trusted and vetted. SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp >From: "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Not true at all! Is that the way you try to convince people? >Since there are rogue anti malware utilities associated with the WinFixer and SmitFruad >Trojan groups that are in fact malware. Trojans are installed on the unsuspecting >computer users that goad them to purchase so-called anti malware software that does not do >what they puport they will do. Their goal is just to extract money from you. Well, as you say, rogue anti malware = malware and therefore irrelevant in context. You are complicating things for no obvious reason. >Then there are trusted anti malware utilities that perform what they say they will do. >Remove malware. These are trusted and vetted. You can't trust any "anti whatever ware" running in the same environment as a "whatever ware" allowed to run with equal credentials. That's just a false assumption. "Anti whatever ware" are mainly "because I don't know better" solutions for average consumers and CYA security solutions for businesses. > From: "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > In all honesty, it isn't "his" Blog. It is by Bill P. author of WinPatrol. > WinPatrol is a trusted anti malware utility. It appeared to be the same as all other other spams and since I didn't recognize the poster I made the comment accordingly. I rarely see the need to advertise a blog in this group like was done, but putting a reputable blog in a sig or posting links in response to people needing help is always a good thing. If it had not been posted in the same light as other spams I would not have replied the way I did. Any of us that have been around for years know how to properly post to usenet, including snipping sigs, even if we had to snip manually.... normally a good indicator that the poster is not familiar with Usenet which means they've not been here long. So far I've not seen any reply from the person that indicates I was wrong, just questioning my post without an explanation of their reason. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> From: "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > So far I've not seen any reply from the person that indicates I was > wrong, just questioning my post without an explanation of their reason. I forgive you, Leythos! <wink> Dave >> [snip] >>> Comments invited here! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'd be grateful if you would explain your comment, Leythos. Do you > not agree with the content of the item I posted? Remember BD "No good deed will ever go unpunished". This is one reason why I hardly ever post here anymore, the person I'm trying to help never answers and I get cra_ from others, I was thinking of posting that link a couple of days ago because it is worth knowing, now you know why I didn't. But thank you. SignatureMike Pawlak [snip] > Remember BD "No good deed will ever go unpunished". > > This is one reason why I hardly ever post here anymore, the person I'm > trying to help never answers and I get cra_ from others, I was thinking of > posting that link a couple of days ago because it is worth knowing, now you > know why I didn't. But thank you. If your post didn't look like spam and the link was to a reputable site, why would anyone be critical of it? Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>> [snip] >>>> Comments invited here! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > posting that link a couple of days ago because it is worth knowing, now > you know why I didn't. But thank you. Hello Mike! :) Thank you for responding. This place is a minefield for a 'newbie' but it really doesn't have to be that way. Please stay here and help whenever you are able! You have my assurance that *I* will respond to any answer you give me! Dave > >>> [snip] > >>>> Comments invited here! [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Dave My sight is failing - I see no message Mike! Dave <snip> See if this will help you understand Dave http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. >> [snip] >>> Comments invited here! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dave See if this will help you understand Dave http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. Hello Peter Foldes! Thank you for trying to help. I'm afraid, though, that when I copy and paste the link you provided into either IE7 or my AOL browser, the page cannot be found. I'd be interested to know whether or not the link (when copied/pasted) works for anyone else. Please advise. TIA. Should I simply click on the link ............ and go wherever it may take me? Hmmmm (stroking chin!) Dave Try this link http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > See if this will help you understand Dave > http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm Try this link http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm SignaturePeter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > See if this will help you understand Dave > http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm FYI Peter - posted in microsoft.public.security.homeusers Perhaps someone here will comment on a point of confusion (for me!) In the 'virus' group mentioned, where I recently posted a message identical to my OP here, a Mr Peter Foldes (PF) posted a link to http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm whiich explains the difference between Multiposting and Crossposting (written by David Stevenson). I have seen it before. Maybe it is genuine, maybe not. I did not click on the link, but copied and pasted same into my browser(s) as mentioned in my response to Mr Foldes yesterday. It failed to take me to the intended page, again as mentioned in my reply to him. Today Peter Foldes has posted another link - which appears identical to the original - and this time it 'works'. Wondering if Gremlins are at work here, I checked both the origal link PF posted and the one in my reply to him. Wow! Today *all* the links work! Is it magic ............ or has someone tampered with the links? I wonder how it was done. Any thoughts anyone? TIA Dave > In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, > ~BD~@nospam.invalid > says...[clueless snip restored]: "Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger or trojan, malicious programs are increasingly attacking the network router which is common with any internet connected home and/or office. An unwanted program can quickly make a change to your router settings that will immediately open all your computers to the world. The bad guys won't have to install a key logger, they'll be able to record every byte that goes across your network. It's happening now to thousands of routers which are still using their default name and password." So begins a recent item by Bill Pytlovany. Full detail here:- http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2008/06/malware-attacking-your-router.html Comments invited here! Dave > Try posting to usenet for a few years before spamming Usenet. LOL! If you are so Usenet savvy, how come you don't know this is "Boater Dave", is *not* spam(look up the definition) and don't seem to even know who the author of the Blog is? I've *very rarely* seen you post *anything* helpful or relevant, preferring instead to post your "rebuttals" (pun intended) to PCButts1's posts ad nauseum... Get a clue! HTH, -jen > "Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger or > trojan, malicious programs are increasingly attacking the network router [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > HTH, > -jen Thank you for responding in this maner 'jen'. Everything I've ever seen *you* post has been helpful and relevant ....... and I hope, by now, you know that BoaterDave (yes, me!) wants nothing more than the bad guys hung out to dry. I'd be grateful if you would take a look at the response to my post (identical) placed in 'microsoft.public.security.homeusers' - the reply is from Kerry Brown (aka TechB) who *doesn't* seem to think this a serious threat. Perhaps you could respond in each group thereafter. TIA Dave >> "Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger or >> trojan, malicious programs are increasingly attacking the network router [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Dave If you wish to reply to me please do so in person. Read my post again. I do take this threat seriously. What the threat can do has been exaggerated in the blog you posted a link to. The seriousness of the threat is not in question. I've been warning people about this for quite a while. SignatureKerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ >>> "Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger >>> or [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > in the blog you posted a link to. The seriousness of the threat is not in > question. I've been warning people about this for quite a while. Hello Kerry Brown/TechB! You mentioned "They could redirect you to sites ....... " Indeed - it appears that might well happen! You mention spyware, but I suspect that one might be sent to URL's which will download *malware* surrepticiously onto one's computer without the knowledge of the user. I fully appreciate that the appropriation of a router does not itself load malware onto a computer, but there is only one more step required to ensnare the associated machines! I'm pleased that you dropped by here. I was just about to reply to you in the 'homeusers' group to tell you that I was involved in discussion here. I am delighted to learn that you agree that the threat is real ........ and very dangerous! What is needed is some simple indication that a router *has* actually been compromised - so that a user may take steps to format/reinstall their operating system(s) and start afresh! Any ideas on how one might be able to tell if a router has been 'got at'? I suspect there is no such indicator! :( Dave >>>>> In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, >>>>> ~BD~@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > malware onto a computer, but there is only one more step required to > ensnare the associated machines! When they have enough control to compromise your router they could just as easily have installed malware on your computer if they wanted to. Changing the DNS settings on your router indicates they probably have other things in mind. They could redirect you to a fake bank site for instance. > I'm pleased that you dropped by here. I was just about to reply to you in > the 'homeusers' group to tell you that I was involved in discussion here. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I suspect there is no such indicator! :( It's quite easy to tell if a router has been compromised. Check which DNS servers the router is using. If they aren't from your ISP the router has been compromised. Formatting or reinstalling your OS would have no affect at all on this. The wrong DNS settings would still exist in your router. Flashing the router's firmware then setting a strong password and disabling uPnP are the steps to take to correct the problem. If you think they redirected you to a bad site that installed malware then yes, to fix that you may need to format and reinstall the OS. SignatureKerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ On Jun 21, 7:01�pm, "Kerry Brown" <ke...@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote: > >>>>> In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, > >>>>> ~...@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > - Show quoted text - While I fear that commenting may cause more suspicious views I wanted to confirm a few things. I don't think I know Dave but I certainly didn't ask him to post a link to my blog. I do appreciate that Dave thought my topic earlier this week was worth discussing. Thanks Dave I certainly understand how messages could be viewed as spam which is I why if you search you won't find any posts promoting my blog or WinPatrol which might appear to be spam. I think anyone who knows me will confirm I'm one of the most reputable people you'll meet online. Perhaps not the most modest. The only reason I found this post is because I have Google Alerts set up to Email me any mentions of WinPatrol. I appreciate Kerry's adding the discussion with valuable tip. The only real tip in my blog post was that people need to change their d*mn default password. Lastly, my BitsfromBill blog is non-commercial with the exception of news about WinPatrol. WinPatrol is free and essentially supported by the 1% of our users who do upgrade to the paid version. Thanks, Bill Pytlovany BillP Studios > While I fear that commenting may cause more suspicious views I wanted to > confirm a few things. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > news about WinPatrol. WinPatrol is free and essentially supported by > the 1% of our users who do upgrade to the paid version. I occasionally read your blog. I have a lot of respect for it and you. While some may have thought Dave was spamming, I am not one of them. Dave is overly focused on conspiracies. He has been known to post links to blogs or forum posts then extrapolate things I'm sure the author never intended. I am of the belief that compromising routers is a very serious issue, possibly one of the most serious we face when surfing the Internet. Changing DNS settings allows criminals to do some very sophisticated things that most users would have a very hard time detecting. It also is OS agnostic as there is no infection of the computer. Fortunately the current attacks are easily defeated but the user has to take action to do this. Blogs like yours help to get the word out so people will take the needed steps to protect themselves. I still think the blog post overstated what they can do, but the fact that the blog brings attention to this issue can only result in good. SignatureKerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ On Jun 21, 7:01?pm, "Kerry Brown" <ke...@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote: "I don't think I know Dave but I certainly didn't ask him to post a link to my blog. I do appreciate that Dave thought my topic earlier this week was worth discussing. Thanks Dave" You're welcome, Bill. I can confirm here that I do not know Bill personally (nor, in fact, on line) although I *have* used Win Patrol in the distant past. Perhaps I will again now! I first became aware of such matters when I read this item in The Register:- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/dns_rebinding_attack/ There are a great many 'help' sites on the net - many purporting to 'clean' a users PC - yet cybercrime continues to flourish. Most people I know would expect that a format and reinstallation of an operating system would *really* give then a fresh start. It seems to me, though, that if one's router has a mind of its own, so to speak, a computer could be back as part of a Botnet in the blink of an eye! Dave >>>>>> In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, >>>>>> ~BD~@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > they redirected you to a bad site that installed malware then yes, to fix > that you may need to format and reinstall the OS. We really aren't too far apart, Kerry! <wink> You will no doubt spot my reply to Bill. Are you able to point me in the direction of *how* to check which DNS servers a router is using? My router is a Netgear DG834G v3 supplied by AOL and which was initially set up by a CD also supplied by AOL - it all happened 'automatically'! Dave >>>>>>> In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, >>>>>>> ~BD~@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > AOL and which was initially set up by a CD also supplied by AOL - it all > happened 'automatically'! You'd have to check with AOL and see which DNS servers should be in use. Then you'd have to look in the manual for the Netgear as to where to check which DNS servers were being used. SignatureKerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ LOL so true. SignatureStalking is a Crime Stalking charges are serious and almost every state now has a strict stalking law. > "Instead of installing malware that continues to run like a key logger or > trojan, malicious programs are increasingly attacking the network router [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > HTH, > -jen I wondered when you would show up using a new nick, Chris. > LOL so true. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> HTH, >> -jen > > In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, > > ~BD~@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > "Boater Dave", is *not* spam(look up the definition) and don't seem to > even know who the author of the Blog is? I don't know BD and I didn't visit the blog, there was no reason. It's that simple and nothing more. > I've *very rarely* seen you > post *anything* helpful or relevant, preferring instead to post your > "rebuttals" (pun intended) to PCButts1's posts ad nauseum... > Get a clue! Unlike you, I can live with being wrong and have been in the past. The post appeared to be spam and was improperly formatted in a reply, like your post is not properly quoting the text you quoted. So, yes, it appears that BD is a good member, that the blog is reputable, but, I had not seen either before and took it for face value. Maybe you can get your Usenet interface fixed while you ponder the simple misunderstanding because of a lack of explanation. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> In article <eTtSYAw0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, >> ~BD~@nospam.invalid [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > HTH, > -jen Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. SignatureMike Pawlak > Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. I've already posted that I could have misunderstood. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. > > Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. I've > already posted that I could have misunderstood. Ya I read it, you admitted some fault while still blaming BD for the way he posted and admittingly stating that you did not click the link. the most non-applogy I've seen in some time. Go ahead and reply, in the past you seem to have a need to have the last word, go ahead I'll give it to you. " Unlike you, I can live with being wrong and have been in the past. The post appeared to be spam and was improperly formatted in a reply, like your post is not properly quoting the text you quoted. So, yes, it appears that BD is a good member, that the blog is reputable, but, I had not seen either before and took it for face value. Maybe you can get your Usenet interface fixed while you ponder the simple misunderstanding because of a lack of explanation." How can you have not reconised BD he's been posting here for several months and you come here often? SignatureMike Pawlak > >> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > non-applogy I've seen in some time. Go ahead and reply, in the past you seem > to have a need to have the last word, go ahead I'll give it to you. As I read what you've posted, your sort of saying you were wrong, but, that's the most non-apology I've seen in some time.... Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> >> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. >> > Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > As I read what you've posted, your sort of saying you were wrong, but, > that's the most non-apology I've seen in some time.... How lame... -jen > >> >> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. > >> > Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How lame... That's what I thought when MAP said it too. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> >> >> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. >> >> > Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > That's what I thought when MAP said it too. Whilst I may be wrong about this, I *think* the lame comment was directed at YOU Leythos! <wink> Just as a reminder, you *have* 'met' me here before. Perhaps this 'cut and paste' will jog your memory:- In line responses: >> Maybe *you* will comment on whether or not you feel AumHa is a 'safe' >> place [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > are unsafe if I've personally confirmed them to be unsafe or practice > bad ethics - like pc butts 1 . com (see sig). A very sensible stance to take! FYI, your link to the speedguide forum article did not work for me (either from here of from the Techaarena thread here: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=978738 > I have never been to the site you ask about, so I can't comment. It often appears - in Malke an PABear responses in particular. I'm surprised that you haven't been sufficiently curious to take a look! ;) Dave > Whilst I may be wrong about this, I *think* the lame comment was directed at > YOU Leythos! <wink> Are you going to use a Usenet client that strips the sig lines? > Just as a reminder, you *have* 'met' me here before. Perhaps this 'cut and > paste' will jog your memory:- I don't pay attention posters names/nic's, all I go on is content. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) In-line responses: >> Whilst I may be wrong about this, I *think* the lame comment was directed >> at >> YOU Leythos! <wink> > > Are you going to use a Usenet client that strips the sig lines? I might - will you recommend one, Leythos? >> Just as a reminder, you *have* 'met' me here before. Perhaps this 'cut >> and >> paste' will jog your memory:- > > I don't pay attention posters names/nic's <snip> Perhaps, just perhaps, you should, Leythos! ;) BD. > In-line responses: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I might - will you recommend one, Leythos? Super Gravity is free and has been around for 10+ years, works on all Win platforms and even lets you decode files if you're into that kind of thing. It's about as clean and easy as it gets, it's a real Usenet client, not a broken Web/Email client. > >> Just as a reminder, you *have* 'met' me here before. Perhaps this 'cut > >> and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Perhaps, just perhaps, you should, Leythos! ;) No point, names mean very little in the FROM field, only the content matters. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) In article <#bc1iQX1IHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com says... "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message In article <uYygn6K1IHA.5300@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com says... In article <ujusFKD1IHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com says... >>>> Just like Andrew E. Leythos will never admit any fault. >>>>> Just like a troll you don't know what you're talking about kido. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> How lame... > That's what I thought when MAP said it too. It seems your lameness knows no bounds, lol. -jen |
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