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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 12:44 GMT Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB titled Healthy EISA Configuration. My question is, how do I Merge / Combine this unwanted partition back with the 65.86BG External Drive? Thanks, Bob
Brink - 21 Sep 2008 14:09 GMT Hello Bob,
This tutorial will help show you how to delete that partition and extend the other back into it for one drive again.
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/95418-disk-management-delete-extend.html
Hope this helps, Shawn
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> Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and > inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks, > Bob
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 15:09 GMT Thank you for your prompt response Brink, I tried "Right click on the volume (EX: E:\ ) your want to delete and click Delete Volume" but when I view Disk Management, I see the following "C" (which is a SEPERATE Drive that contains the OS), and a 2nd Drive that I Partitions for , "D" (Programs), "E" Data files, "F"(Photos), "G" (BU) and "N" (Recovery / Images), and then the 80GB External Drive, which is labeled "H" and the 18.06 Healthy EISA Configuration. As I previously indicated, I inadvertently created the Healthy EISA Configuration and want to MERGE it with the "H" Drive. (which sounds like I need to Delete and Extend) but the Healthy EISA Configuration appears to be a Primary Partition (I REALLY screwed up when I created it) and when I click on it, the only option available is HELP and when I click on FILE or ACTIONS, none of them include DELETE so my followup question is how do I Delete the Healthy EISA Configuration? Thanks again for your help Brink, Bob
SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 15:59 GMT Hi Boblink
Could you post back a .jpeg screenshot of the Disk Management window ?
To post a jpeg , first use your screen capture tool to take a shot and save it as a .jpeg .Then click the Go Advanced button at the bottom of the thread page, and use follow 7 onward from this tutorial
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/148532-how-use-snipping-tool-vista.html
Hope that helps
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 16:14 GMT Could you post back a .jpeg screenshot of the Disk Management window ? To post a jpeg , first use your screen capture tool to take a shot and save it as a .jpeg .Then click the Go Advanced button at the bottom of the thread page, and use follow 7 onward from this tutorial http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/148532-how-use-snipping-tool-vista.html
I DON'T see a Go Advance button at the bootom of the thread, what I see (on the bottom right) are Reply, Print and Top and then after the thread ends (bottom of the page) are:
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Kerry Brown - 21 Sep 2008 16:12 GMT The Vista disk management console may not be able to deal with this partition. You may need a 3rd party program. Try Bootit NG.
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm
or Acronis Disk Director
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/
You may be able to do this with the diskpart program but it is quite complicated. It is very easy to delete the wrong partition with this program.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300415
Whatever you do make sure you have backups of any important data first. With several partitions on several drives it is very easy to get confused and make a mistake that causes data loss.
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> Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and > inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks, > Bob Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 17:24 GMT Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me. This is a VERY minor problem with my External Drive where I inadvertently created a Partition that I don't Need / Want so I view it as a nuisance. To correct (undo what I did), I would need to Deleting the Partition that I created and the add the Free Space back to the (remaining) Partition on the External Drive so I don't think it makes much sense to buy a third party program for what will essentially be a "one time deal". Are there any Freeware programs that might be able to help in this situation? Otherwise, I'll just keep the External Drive as 2 Partitions and move some of the older BUs to the 16GB Drive / Partition that I created. Thanks, Bob
Paul Montgomery - 21 Sep 2008 18:22 GMT >Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me. You can stop changing the subject every time you post... NOW, please.
Kerry Brown - 21 Sep 2008 21:29 GMT Bootit NG has a free trial period. Diskpart is included with Vista.
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> Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me. > This is a VERY minor problem with my External Drive where I inadvertently [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks, > Bob SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 16:36 GMT Hi Boblink,
It's all the way at the bottom of the page - right beneath this post see the attached image
Hope this helps
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 17:16 GMT I think we may be talking apples and oranges. I am using the MS Community Vista Users Board and i think you are referring to the Vista Forums Board (i.e. Welcome to Vista Forums we are your forum to discuss Windows Vista x64 and x86 systems. Whether you need help or just want to post an idea you have on Vista, this is the forum for you. Register at Vista forums...the world biggest Windows Vista resource) which I was sent a link to but have NOT registered. Further, when I view the Vista Forum page, I do NOT see the Go Advanced button on the bottom of the page. May be it's available to registered users and not guests. BTW, I used the PrintScreen button on my KB and pasted (and saved) the ScrShot via MSPaint and also copied the page using the Snipping Tool (which I never saw or heard of until now) so I have the image to POSt, the only problem is I can't figure out HOW to attach the image? Thanks again, Bob P.S.-Kerry Brown believes that Visa Disk Management function may NOT be able to unscrew my screw-up
SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 17:42 GMT Hi Boblink,
Yes I believe you need to register to use the full posting functions - why not do that - only takes a sec.
Need to see the screenshot to see what is going on , and if Vista can't do it , for whatever reason, the free bootable GParted may be the answer.
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 18:29 GMT Thanks, I think I've got it now hopefully YOU will get it so that we'll all be on the same page Bob
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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 18:53 GMT Hi Boblink,
Yes, got it now.
It shows 2 primary partitions, 4 logical drives inside an extended partition, then another primary partition which contains your Eisa configuration - all allocated to Disk 0.
You are asking
> My question is, how do I Merge / Combine this > unwanted partition back with the 65.86BG External Drive? Hmmm, I will ask Oldbloke to have a look - he's pretty expert at this kind of thing.
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 19:16 GMT Glad that we got Posting the scan figured out, I couldn't understand why you were telling to look for Go Advanced and I couldn't find it. I have a Lenovo system and believe that it has a 30GB "C" Drive (Primary Partition) that contains the OS and a 270GB Partition that is for everything else. I Partitioned the "D" Drive into Programs, Data, Photo and BU and recently added another Partition for OneKey (the Lenovo Rescue / Recover) to store System Images / System BUs, which is when I ran into the problem that I am now having. I alos have an External Drive that I BU my Data and Photos on a weekly basis and inadvertently partitioned this Drive so that's where I am, trying to UnDo what I did. Thank you again for your help, I'll be checking the board for a reply (after you consult with "the old bloke"). Bob
barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 19:50 GMT hi boblink, if you can confirm how i see your drive situation.
you have one drive your main drive contains the system partition and six others and is working ok but shows a primary EISA partition 0f 18.06 GB that you want to convert to free space so that you may add it to you backup drive
firstly the EISA drive partition is your hidden system recovery recovery drive ( is this by any chance a dell machine? :) although others do use the same system)
due to the lock on the special EISA partition Disk manager in windows will not touch it, nor will many commercial programs.
the first thing to try check your system documentation is see if you can invoke the partition from the initial boot menu before windows boot, and if you are lucky you will be able to free the partition using the manufacturers utility, You may have to create restore disks to enable the option to clear this partition.
if this is not possible all is not lost if you have a look at the instructions 'Here ' (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/02/29/delete-and-remove-to-unlock-eisa-hidden -recovery-or-diagnostic-partition-in-vista/)
hope the explanation is clear but if you have any questions please post back and ask them before you do anything.
also if you do go ahead with this deletion of the eisa partition then windows will not be able to merge it with your backup you should be able to extend the last partition (OneKey) into the free space. if you wish to merge or move partitions you will need to use something like Gparted. If you do go ahead remember the essential three things to be done - Backup Backup and Backup:D
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 20:24 GMT Thank you for your POST Bar-man, the system is a Lenovo (not a Dell) and the configuration that you described (one drive your main drive contains the system partition and six others and is working ok but shows a primary EISA partition 0f 18.06 GB that you want to convert to free space so that you may add it to you backup drive. Firstly the EISA drive partition is your hidden system recovery recovery drive is almost correct). The 18.06GB EISA is what I inadvertently created by Partitioning an EXTERNAL / Irremovable Disk Drive (it is NOT part of the Lenovo system). If in fact this 18.06GB Drive is Hidden System Recovery that would be very strange since as I mentioned, I just created it (ran into the problem and POSTED a request for help). The Lenovo Hidden System Recovery program is called OneKey and it resides on the "C" Drive (Partition) along with the OS. What I wanted to do was create a Drive (Partition) where I could store the OneKey images / backups since the "C" Drive is only 30GB (for BOTH Vista and OneKey). I confused myself and Partioned the Exteral Drive instead of Partitioning one of the Partitions that I created on the Lenovo Hard Drive. Hope this explains things a little better. Bob
barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 20:57 GMT OK so you have two drives, but are only showing one physical device drive 0
two physical drives I would expect to see as follows...
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namely a drive 0 and a drive 1 as in my two drive system
this is where I get confused as your screenshot shows only one drive
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all this aside if you wish to delete the EISA partition you will have to go down the route using Diskpart.exe as in my original post. once this partition is deleted you should be able to extend the 19GB OneKey partition into the free space created
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:26 GMT Please disregard the previous note (request for instructions), which IS POSTED on the MS Newsgroup board. Thanks, Bob
Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:18 GMT Thanks Nigel, I am not familiar with Diskpart.exe which appears to be a DOS based program. Can you send me a link to instructions for Diskpart.exe? Thanks, Bob
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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 21:41 GMT OK just for your info ...
According to their site all lenovo machines ship from the factory with the following partitions to the hard drive installed
C: system drive containing windows 30GB Hidden EISA recovery disk 18-20GB D: Drive - data drive Remaining Space on the drive
this would be displayed in the disk manager as Disk0
Your screen shot shows this except that the d: drive has been further partitioned into D:, E:, F:, G:, & H: Drives.
It does not show *any *indication of an external drive
The full command set for the diskpart Command Line utility is 'Here' (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/26/using-diskpartexe-as-disk-management-al ternative-in-windows-vista-2000-2003-and-xp/)
The specific instructions for deleting an EISA partition is 'Here' (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/02/29/delete-and-remove-to-unlock-eisa-hidden -recovery-or-diagnostic-partition-in-vista/)
-*Deleting the EISA partition will remove your ability to perform a OneKey system restore*-.
hope this clarifies what I read your Screen shot to be indicating, all the best
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:55 GMT Thank you for ALL your help Nigel, I appreciate the Lenovo information, which I am familar with since (for no apparent reason) they shipped the system with the OS, OneKey and OneKey Backups, on a 30GB "C" Drive although they had a 270GB "D" available. After numerous complaintts they came up with a patch, which I installed this morning and then started encountering my self inflicted problems. In any event, a couple of comments / questions. You that that "Your screen shot shows this except that the d: drive has been further partitioned into D:, E:, F:, G:, & H: Drives". True, I partitioned the "D" Drive into seperate Drives / Partitions for: Programs, Data files, Photos and BU Files. -*You also wrote :Deleting the EISA partition will remove your ability to perform a OneKey system restore",*- which makes NO SENSE to me since this Partition is on the External Drive which I created (not Lenovo). Am I missing something? Also, for some reason the External Drive does NOT appear when I click on Start ---> Computer (it DID appear until I started playing around with things). I also re-named the External Drive, could it be that the new Drive letter ("Z" Drive") for the External Drive (that INCLUDES the 16.08 EISA), won't show up until I restart my system? Thanks again for the great help. Bob
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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 22:17 GMT Yes I think it's a good idea to reboot.
if windows can't see the external drive then there is no way that Disk management or Diskpart will be able to do anything to it.
This is where my confusion stems from, as the screen shot you provided shows the internal drive only, deleting the EISA partition ON THIS DRIVE will stop the recovery process working.
If you could reboot and post another screenshot that shows the both drives I should hopefully be able to guide you further.
As for the 30GB system drive on the lenovo, Which if the size is changed will also stop the recovery process, hopefully lenovo with the patch issued are finally listening to their users - its been an issue around the lenovo forums for some time now
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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 22:15 GMT Hi,
Thanks for having a look Nigel.
He has 8 volumes listed at the top of the Disk management window, but only 7 allocated to Disk 0. Like you, I would have expected to see his external hd allocated to Disk 1.
Bob - now I've looked at your screenshot again, I wonder if your external drive is allocated as Disk 4 or 5 - i.e. off the bottom of the page.
Could you go into Disk Management and scroll down the bottom window and if you find your external drive there, post another screenshot? (Might be a good idea to restart before doing that.)
You might find it is still showing the full amount of drive space.
Thanks SIW2
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 22:59 GMT Hello again Nigel and crew, thank you all so much for your help. I have attached a copy of Disk 5 (you were right) along with Start--->Computer showing the Drives on my system. Very confusing, the External Drive appears on the Disk Manager List but not on My Computer. Thanks, Bob
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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 23:03 GMT sorry bob no attachment this end can you re-post please
as for the drive not showing in my computer that would suggest the drive is not formatted
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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 23:07 GMT Hi Bob,
Great - only we didn't get the screenshot.
Sorry to have to ask you to post that second jpeg screenshot again. Didn't see you'd asked for it , sorry Nigel
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:16 GMT Valid file extensions: bat bmp doc exe gif jpe jpeg jpg log nfo pdf png psd reg swf txt vbs zip
[image: http://www.vistax64.com/images/styles/vista/attach/jpg.gif] 'Disk Manager and System.jpg' (http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6723&stc=1&d=1222035241) (242.2 KB)
Additional Options, Attach Files reads " Valid file extensions: bat bmp doc exe gif jpe jpeg jpg log nfo pdf png psd reg swf txt vbs zip
[image: http://www.vistax64.com/images/styles/vista/attach/jpg.gif] 'Disk Manager and System.jpg' (http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6723&stc=1&d=1222035241) (242.2 KB)" so I assume that it will work. Bob
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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 23:28 GMT ok bob that looks better
do you he data on the Z drive?
if you don't it would probably be best to delete the first partition on DRIVE 5 and create a new partition covering the whole drive.
if you have data on the drive it should allow you to extend your partition into the unallocated space
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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 23:36 GMT If it was me, I would right click drive z and extend it to it's full size , as Nigel says (not sure why that unallocated space is showing as black though ).
Then make whatever partitions I wanted on z - then copy the stuff from the logical drives onto it.
Then delete the Disk0 logical drives and the extended partition containing them.
Then extend the C partition to it's full extent. (keeping the Eisa partition, of course ).
I think what you were after is a bigger C partition?
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:36 GMT Sorry about the previous attachment, second time is the charm. To answer your question about data on the (External) "Z" Drive, I DON'T know! As we've discussed, the "Z" Drive is an External Drive, so I can remove it by disconnecting the UBS cable, but I can't "see" the "Z" Drive on my computer. It only appears when I open Disk Manager but I am unable to see its' contents. I restarted my computer and disconnected and reconnected the "Z" Drive but it pulled a Houdini (disappeared). Bob
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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:39 GMT Hi SIW2, the only problem is that I have LOTS of (historical) Backup data on the External Drive that I do NOT want to lose. I may move the "Z" Drive to another computer (that one has Xp) and see what appears / what I can do but right now it's a mystery. Bob
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 12:29 GMT *For information purposes, this is a little backround information about my system from Lenovo:*
Lenovo creates three partitions on the installed Hard Disk Drive: · The smaller drive commonly known as the _C_ drive which contains Windows and your pre-installed software. The _C_ drive should NOT be resized otherwise your _OneKey_ recovery may no longer operate. · The larger drive known as the _D_ drive which is ready for storing your personal data files such as videos, music, pictures etc. Both the _C_ and _D_ drives are visible in Windows but the _D_ drive is MUCH larger to hold all your personal data. The _C_ drive should NOT be resized otherwise your _OneKey_ recovery may no longer operate. · The _Service_Partition_ (the partition without a drive letter) is used by the _OneKey_ recovery system to backup and recover the _C_ partition. This -invisible- partition requires only 18GB to 20GB of HDD space. The service partition should NOT be deleted otherwise your _OneKey_ recovery will no longer operate.
*And here is what I have done since my last POST. I disconnected the External ?Z" Drive and my system was able to boot just fine and appears to operate as it did when the **External Drive** was connected. I created a OneKey Backup with the **External Drive** disconnected so I have to beliece that the 18GB Partition (that I inadvertently created) is NOT "associated" with the Lenovo OneKey Recovery program. I am going to try and connect the **External Drive** to another system (Toshiba Laptop) to see if the Drive is recognized on that system and will report back later. Thank* *you again for your help and patients guys, Bob*
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 13:18 GMT Hello again guys, I disconnected the External Drive from the Lenovo system and connected it to a WindowsXp system and an 58.3GB "H" Drive(with ALL my backup files) appeared on the My Computer. I find this very VERY strange for two reasons, first this is a 80GB HD and "only" 58.3GB are recognized, the remainder of the Drive was Partitioned by me yesterday, it appears as EISA on (Administrative) Disk Manager and is "invisible" to me on the Lenovo syste. Second, althought I am unable to "see" the Drive on the Lenovo system, it appears (at least 58.3GB of it do), on another system. TOO much for a non techie to comprehend so I am at your mercy for HELP. Thank, Bob
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 15:16 GMT Hi Bob,
Thanks for the update - many laptop manufacturers have a similar system , although they use different names for their recovery systems.
Lenovo put their recovery program on what they label the C partition (along with their other pre-installed programs and the windows operating system.
Obviously, they don't recommend messing with this C drive in case you delete or overwrite that recovery program.
( Merely extending the C drive will not damage any programs on it - however, if the resizing involved deleting that partition, or formatting the existing volume, then it would - it is easier for them to say don't touch it ).
When you start that recovery program ( which they call Onekey ), it heads off to get the files it needs to restore your machine to factory condition. These files are kept on a separate partition. They call this the Service partition.
This Service partition is on your internal hard drive, it is not visible in Windows ( i.e. in the Computer window - but it will be visible in Disk Management ), it does not have a drive letter and is 18-20gb in size.
The partition that fits that description is the Eisa partition - I don't recommend deleting this.
It looks to me as if the copy of Onekey you made is the last logical ( green )drive on the right in your first screenshot of Disk Management - which you have named Onekey and given drive letter of K.
Hope this helps
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 15:49 GMT Hi Bob,
Thought I'd do two posts or it would be too long.
As to your second post - if you look at the second screenshot you sent us, you will see that your Lenovo machine listed your external drive as 58.42gb primary and 16.11gb unallocated.
This means Windows can see and use the 58.42gb partition, and it can see, but not use, the 16.11gb partition. This is normally because the unusable partition has not been formatted in a way that Windows can understand.
The "cure" for this is normally to right click and format the unallocated partition as NTFS, and assign it a drive letter - to create a new usable partition of 16.11gb. The alternative would normally be to extend the 58.42gb partition to the right to incorporate this unallocated space and make the external drive just one big partition.
The reason it shows in Disk Management as less than 80gb in total is that drive manufacturers have a more generous way of measuring GB than operating systems do.
I am not as familiar with Xp , but to see what is going on on your Xp machine, could you please send a screenshot of it's Disk Manangement window
Thanks
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 16:01 GMT Hey SIW, thank you for the VERY detailed explanation, to a confused soul like me, EVERYTHING helps! One very minor correction to your narrative, the Lenovo system is s Desktop, the (Toshiba) Laptop is what I used to "test" the External Drive but everything that you described about the "Laptop" (really a Desktop) remains the same and gives me a better understand of "what's what". I'm attaching another scan '9 22.jpg' (http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6744&stc=1&d=1222094706) (223.4 KB) that I took a few minutes ago where Disk Manager shows Disk 5 to contain the infamous "Z" Drive with 58.42GB AND 16.11GB of Unallocated Space which is DIFFERENT that it was yesterday when it was labeled EISA. Just to keep everything straight, this morning I REMOVED the External Drive from the Desktop and plugged it into a Laptop. After I checked that the contents of the External Drive were intact and that "only" 58.42GB "appeared" when I opened MY Computer on the Laptop, I plugged it back into the Lenovo Desktop and the Lenovo system recognized the External Drive as "new hardware". Again, I am not a teckie so this is my "novice assumption", if I FORMAT the Partition that I inadvertently created and that I want to eliminate, I will be able to EXTEND the "Z" Drive and add the additional space (that is currently Unallocated). If this is correct, I could appreciate help as to HOW to Format the Unallocated Space since FILE and ACTION on the Pulldown Menu do NOT offer this option. If this assumption is WAY off line, then I would appreciate your thoughts / suggestions / advice. Thanks again for ALL your help guys, Pain in the &^%$, Bob
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 16:10 GMT OK guys, if I was confused before, I don't know what you would call me know! I decided to change the letter of the "Z" Drive and assigned it as "H" Drive and low and behold, it popped-up on My Computer (see attachment). My concern is that it is in RED while everything else (all the Drives) are in BLUE. This is WAY beyond my computer literacy level so your help would be graetly appreciated. Thanks, Bob 'New News about the Z DRIVE.jpg' (http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6745&stc=1&d=1222095951) (166.2 KB)
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 19:14 GMT Hi Bob,
In Disk management, right click on the the actual unallocated volume in the bottom window and see what options that gives you.
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 19:26 GMT Hey guys, I Formatted the Unallocated Space and if I can only Merge / Extend / Combine / ...... this with the existing "H" Drive (i.e. old "Z" Drive), I think I'll be all set (and get out of your guys hair)! Oh, I almost forgot, this Drive is displayed in RED which I am assume means something and I have to assume that something is not something good. In any event, two last questions then, how do I COMBINE the Extended Drive components (that current are an "H" Drive and New Volume) and what does a RED bar on the Drive represent and if it is a problem, how do I fix it. Thanks again guys, Bob
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 19:33 GMT Hello SIW, when I right click on New Volume, the available options are: Mark Partition as Active, Change Drive Letter, Format, Shrink Volume, Delete Volume, Properties and Help. Three other options are "greyed out" (not available, they are Open, Explore and Extend . When I right click EXTENDED DRIVE "H", ALL the options listed above ARE available PLUS Open and Explore. The ONLY option that is NOT available is Extend.
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 20:25 GMT Hi Bob,
If you wish to Extend H , you need to first Delete the partition to the right of it - I see it gives you those options.
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barman58 - 22 Sep 2008 20:27 GMT Ok Bob
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1. The reason that you have a red drive showing in the system because you have TWO H: drives When you originally set up your internal drive the OneKey backup drive you created was allocated H: if you reallocate the partition on the external drive to something else (except A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H) the red line will disappear.
reboot
2. To get back to the original problem go back into the disk manager and delete the 16.11 partition on the external drive.
3. reboot
next right click on the 58.3GB partition and choose extend to extend the drive into the 16.11GB of now Unallocated space.
4. Reboot
you should now have approx 74GB drive named something other than A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 21:00 GMT Hi Nigel
Interesting they've hard coded that partition.
Anyway , hopefully that will have sorted it all out for Bob.
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barman58 - 22 Sep 2008 21:05 GMT yeah that is a bit strange probably just needed a reboot.
vista is normally pretty good with drive allocations internals start with c: and go upward and externals start with z: and go downwards so you have to have quite a few before they clash unless you override the defaults of course :D
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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 22:48 GMT Thank you again for straightening me out Nigel, this was all caused by a little mistake (Partitioning the WRONG Drive), I have to be more careful! I'm going to be away this weekend and won't be back until Wednesday or Thursday of next week and will be looking forward to your tutorial. The only thing that I have done so far to try and elevate the (capacity) problem on the "C" Drive was to delete some of the freebee software came with the system, move some files to the "D" Drive and store Photos on the "D" Drive. But after all was said and done, I still only have 5.29GB out of 29.2GB Free so the Dynamic Buffer problem keeps reoccurring. Thanks again to EVERYONE and anxious to see what you come up with Nigel. Bob
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Boblink - 23 Sep 2008 22:12 GMT Thanks for PC buyers tutorial SIW, my assumption was that "the biggies" have the (mass) purchasing power and experience to offer a slew of machines at competitive prices and never thought about looking into smaller operations. There are plenty of PC Magazines, I take a look when I am ready to upgrade (which I don't think will be for several years). Thanks for the sharing your PC Buying experience with me. Bob
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Boblink - 06 Oct 2008 00:08 GMT Hi Nigel, did you get a chance to look at what Lenovo should have done correctly in the first place "I can see where the that fixed 30GB C: drive will cause all kinds of problems. there are a few things that could be done by moving things onto the D:drive, to work around the limitation. will have to put a few things down on paper and maybe write a tutorial, maybe this weekend. If I do post a tutorial I'll PM you to let you know." Cheers, Bob
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barman58 - 06 Oct 2008 08:14 GMT Hi bob,
Have started to put a few options on paper but not had any real chance to work on things with other pressures, have to earn a crust :D
anyway hopefully should have a little time this week so will try to get to it, I think the information will help a lot of laptop users with limited space and external drives too. so will concentrate on things such as moving data and programs to a separate partition or drive so that will work in both laptop plus fixed size c: scenarios
the obvious things such as swap files will work for you but not in a laptop/external drive setup so have to include this type of thing as an option.
anyway thanks for the reminder, will get to it and let you know
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Boblink - 06 Oct 2008 12:54 GMT Hi Nigel, I have a opened a Formal Complaint with Lenovo and will keep you POSTED in the case they come up with a solution (so that you may be able to incorporate it in your thinking / analysis). Anyway, I sincerely appreciate your help and hopefully lots of users will be able to benefit from your Herculean efforts. Bob
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barman58 - 07 Oct 2008 08:19 GMT Hi Bob,
Just to keep you up to date I think I have a way, (untested by me so far), to move the Program Files,(or 3rd party apps,at least),and Winsxs folders plus the Virtual memory File which on my setup would clear about 16GB :D the methods look sound although a little scary. It should also be able to move use user APPDATA and the Windows Udate Filestore, which are two other major users of drive space, but need more research
I would like to find a machine to try it on (other than my primary machine,;), just in case). will also try to condense each part into a script of some kind to ease the process. a lot of this is from people who have Vista working on an E-PC and USB sticks so does show what is possible :shock::cool:
will keep you informed
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Boblink - 07 Oct 2008 12:18 GMT Hello Nigel, you cease to amaze me with your wealth of knowledge and my first thought is if in fact you have "broken the code" and (after testing have confirmed that you) have figured out how to free up space on the HD, you should be able to market (sell) this to algorithm to one of the PC manufacturers. As I previously mentioned, I am "doing battle" with Lenovo on this and the Lenovo Community message board indicates that many many other users have the same problem so I have to guess Lenovo has some of its' best people working on it and should be very willing to to obtain all the help that they can get. Just a suggestion Nigel and I will be checking back periodically to see how you progressed. Right now I am busy trying to figure out an IE7.0 problem but that's another issue, something else to keep me busy. Thank you again for all your efforts Nigel, Regards, Bob
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Boblink - 26 Oct 2008 01:37 GMT Hi Nigel, just wanted to give you an update. Lenovo advised me that they are planning to release an update that will reform the "C" Drive (which currently is Partitioned to a 30Gs where Vista and the OneKey Recovery program reside and a 270G partition or "D" Drive where programs, apps, data,... files are kept), into one big "C" drive which the end user could do what he/she wants with. From what I understand (which is not much), the only thing that will happen is that the 300G "C" Drive that was Partitioned will be reformatted and no longer <factory> partitioned. I am not sure if the OneKey recovery program will be included in this update and when I asked them if I could skip the updated and just delete the OneKery programs from the "C" partition they said no, that removing the OneKey recovery program will make Vista unstable. Anyway, I thought I would give you an update and thank you again for straightening me out. Best wishes, Bob
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