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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 12:44 GMT
Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and
inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB titled
Healthy EISA Configuration. My question is, how do I  Merge / Combine this
unwanted partition  back with the 65.86BG External Drive?
Thanks,
Bob
Brink - 21 Sep 2008 14:09 GMT
Hello Bob,

This tutorial will help show you how to delete that partition and
extend the other back into it for one drive again.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/95418-disk-management-delete-extend.html

Hope this helps,
Shawn

Boblink;841448 Wrote:
> Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and
> inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks,
> Bob

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 15:09 GMT
Thank you for your prompt response Brink, I tried "Right click on the volume
(EX: E:\ ) your want to delete and click Delete Volume" but when I view Disk
Management, I see the following  "C" (which is a SEPERATE Drive that contains
the OS), and a 2nd Drive that I Partitions for , "D" (Programs), "E" Data
files, "F"(Photos), "G" (BU) and "N" (Recovery / Images), and then the 80GB
External Drive, which is labeled "H" and the 18.06 Healthy EISA Configuration.
As I previously indicated, I inadvertently created the Healthy EISA
Configuration and want to MERGE it with the "H" Drive. (which sounds like I
need to Delete and Extend) but the  Healthy EISA Configuration appears to be
a Primary Partition (I REALLY screwed up when I created it) and when I click
on it, the only option available is HELP and when I click on FILE or ACTIONS,
none of them include DELETE so my followup question is how do I Delete the
Healthy EISA Configuration?
Thanks again for your help Brink,
Bob
SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 15:59 GMT
Hi Boblink

Could you post back a  .jpeg screenshot of the Disk Management window ?

To post a jpeg , first use your screen capture tool to take a shot and
save it as a .jpeg .Then click the Go Advanced button at the bottom of
the thread page, and use follow 7 onward from this tutorial

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/148532-how-use-snipping-tool-vista.html

Hope that helps

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 16:14 GMT
Could you post back a  .jpeg screenshot of the Disk Management window ?
To post a jpeg , first use your screen capture tool to take a shot and
save it as a .jpeg .Then click the Go Advanced button at the bottom of
the thread page, and use follow 7 onward from this tutorial
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/148532-how-use-snipping-tool-vista.html

   
I DON'T see a Go Advance button at the bootom of the thread, what I see (on
the bottom right) are Reply, Print and Top and then after the thread ends
(bottom of the page) are:

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I have the SCR shot but need directions how to POST it?
Thank you for help and sorry for not better understanding  the Go Advance
instructions.
Bob
Kerry Brown - 21 Sep 2008 16:12 GMT
The Vista disk management console may not be able to deal with this
partition. You may need a 3rd party program. Try Bootit NG.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm

or Acronis Disk Director

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/

You may be able to do this with the diskpart program but it is quite
complicated. It is very easy to delete the wrong partition with this
program.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300415

Whatever you do make sure you have backups of any important data first. With
several partitions on several drives it is very easy to get confused and
make a mistake that causes data loss.

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> Hi, I created a few Partition on my Vista Home Premium system and
> inadvertently Partitioned an External Hard Drive and now have 18.06GB
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Bob
Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 17:24 GMT
Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me.
This is a VERY minor problem with my External Drive where I inadvertently
created a Partition that I don't Need / Want so I view it as a nuisance.
To correct (undo what I did), I would need to Deleting the Partition that I
created and the add the Free Space back to the (remaining) Partition on the
External Drive so I don't think it makes much sense to buy a third party
program for what will essentially be a "one time deal".
Are there any Freeware programs that might be able to help in this situation?
Otherwise, I'll just keep the External Drive as 2 Partitions and move some
of the older BUs to the 16GB Drive / Partition that I created.
Thanks,
Bob
Paul Montgomery - 21 Sep 2008 18:22 GMT
>Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me.

You can stop changing the subject every time you post... NOW, please.
Kerry Brown - 21 Sep 2008 21:29 GMT
Bootit NG has a free trial period. Diskpart is included with Vista.

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> Hi Kerry, thanks for getting back to me.
> This is a VERY minor problem with my External Drive where I inadvertently
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thanks,
> Bob
SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 16:36 GMT
Hi Boblink,

It's all the way at the bottom of the page - right beneath this post
see the attached image

Hope this helps

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 17:16 GMT
I think we may be talking apples and oranges.
I am using the MS Community Vista Users Board and i think you are referring
to the  
Vista Forums Board (i.e. Welcome to Vista Forums we are your forum to
discuss Windows Vista x64 and x86 systems. Whether you need help or just want
to post an idea you have on Vista, this is the forum for you. Register at
Vista forums...the world biggest Windows Vista resource) which I was sent a
link to but have NOT registered.
Further, when I view the Vista Forum page, I do NOT see the Go Advanced
button on the bottom of the page. May be it's available to registered users
and not guests.
BTW, I used the PrintScreen button on my KB and pasted (and saved) the
ScrShot via MSPaint and also copied the page using the Snipping Tool (which I
never saw or heard of until now) so I have the image to POSt, the only
problem is I can't figure out HOW to attach the image?
Thanks again,
Bob
P.S.-Kerry Brown believes that Visa Disk Management function may NOT be able
to unscrew my screw-up
SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 17:42 GMT
Hi Boblink,

Yes I believe you need to register to use the full posting functions -
why not do that - only takes a sec.

Need to see the screenshot to see what is going on , and if Vista can't
do it , for whatever reason, the free bootable GParted may be the
answer.

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 18:29 GMT
Thanks, I think I've got it now hopefully YOU will get it so that we'll
all be on the same page
Bob

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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 18:53 GMT
Hi Boblink,

Yes, got it now.

It shows 2 primary partitions, 4 logical drives inside an extended
partition, then another primary partition which contains your Eisa
configuration - all allocated to Disk 0.

You are asking

> My question is, how do I Merge / Combine this
> unwanted partition back with the 65.86BG External Drive?

Hmmm, I will ask Oldbloke to have a look - he's pretty expert at this
kind of thing.

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 19:16 GMT
Glad that we got Posting the scan figured out, I couldn't understand why you
were telling to look for Go Advanced and I couldn't find it.
I have a Lenovo system and believe that it has a 30GB  "C" Drive (Primary
Partition) that contains the OS and a 270GB Partition that is for everything
else.
I Partitioned the "D" Drive into Programs, Data, Photo and BU and recently
added  another Partition for OneKey (the Lenovo Rescue / Recover) to store
System Images / System BUs, which is when I ran into the problem that I am
now having.
I alos have an External Drive that I BU my Data and Photos on a weekly basis
and inadvertently partitioned this Drive so that's where I am, trying to UnDo
what I did.
Thank you again for your help, I'll be checking the board for a reply (after
you consult with "the old bloke").
Bob
barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 19:50 GMT
hi boblink,
if you can confirm how i see your drive situation.

you have one drive
your main drive contains the system partition and six others and is
working ok
but shows a primary EISA partition 0f 18.06 GB that you want to convert
to free space so that you may add it to you backup drive

firstly the EISA drive partition is your hidden system recovery
recovery drive ( is this by any chance a dell machine? :) although
others do use the same system)

due to the lock on the special EISA partition Disk manager in windows
will not touch it, nor will many commercial programs.

the first thing to try check your system documentation  is see if you
can invoke the partition from the initial boot menu before windows boot,
and if you are lucky you will be able to free the partition using the
manufacturers utility, You may have to create restore disks to enable
the option to clear this partition.

if this is not possible all is not lost if you have a look at the
instructions 'Here '
(http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/02/29/delete-and-remove-to-unlock-eisa-hidden
-recovery-or-diagnostic-partition-in-vista/
)

hope the explanation is clear but if you have any questions please post
back and ask them before you do anything.

also if you do go ahead with this deletion of the eisa partition then
windows will not be able to merge it with your backup you should be able
to extend the last partition (OneKey) into the free space. if you wish
to merge or move partitions you will need to use something like Gparted.
If you do go ahead remember the essential three things to be done -
Backup Backup and Backup:D

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 20:24 GMT
Thank you for your POST Bar-man, the system is a Lenovo (not a Dell) and the
configuration that you described (one drive your main drive contains the
system partition and six others and is working ok but shows a primary EISA
partition 0f 18.06 GB that you want to convert to free space so that you may
add it to you backup drive. Firstly the EISA drive partition is your hidden
system recovery recovery drive is almost correct). The 18.06GB EISA is what I
inadvertently created by Partitioning an EXTERNAL / Irremovable Disk Drive
(it is NOT part  of the Lenovo system).  If in fact this 18.06GB Drive is
Hidden System Recovery that would be very strange since as I mentioned, I
just created it (ran into the problem and POSTED a request for help).
The Lenovo Hidden System Recovery program is called OneKey and it resides on
the "C" Drive (Partition) along with the OS.
What I wanted to do was create a Drive (Partition) where I could store the
OneKey images / backups since the "C" Drive is only 30GB (for BOTH Vista and
OneKey).  I confused myself and Partioned the Exteral Drive instead of
Partitioning one of the Partitions that I created on the Lenovo Hard Drive.
Hope this explains things a little better.
Bob
barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 20:57 GMT
OK so you have two drives, but are only showing one physical device
drive 0

two physical drives I would expect to see as follows...

[image:
http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6710&stc=1&d=1222026103]

namely a drive 0 and a drive 1 as in my two drive system

this is where I get confused as your screenshot shows only one drive

[image:
http://www.vistax64.com/attachments/vista-account-administration/6709d1222018021
-disk-management-disk-manager.jpg
]

all this aside if you wish to delete the EISA partition you will have
to go down the route using Diskpart.exe as in my original post. once
this partition is deleted you should be able to extend the 19GB OneKey
partition into the free space created

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:26 GMT
Please disregard the previous note (request for instructions), which IS
POSTED on the MS Newsgroup board.
Thanks,
Bob
Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:18 GMT
Thanks Nigel, I am not familiar with Diskpart.exe which appears to be a
DOS based program. Can you send me a link to instructions for
Diskpart.exe?
Thanks, Bob

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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 21:41 GMT
OK just for your info ...

According to their site all lenovo machines ship from the factory with
the following partitions to the hard drive installed

C: system drive  containing windows 30GB
Hidden EISA recovery disk          18-20GB
D: Drive - data drive                      Remaining Space on the drive

this would be displayed in the disk manager as Disk0

Your screen shot shows this except that the d: drive has been further
partitioned into D:, E:, F:, G:, & H: Drives.

It does not show *any *indication of an external drive

The full command set for the diskpart Command Line utility is 'Here'
(http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/26/using-diskpartexe-as-disk-management-al
ternative-in-windows-vista-2000-2003-and-xp/
)

The specific instructions for deleting an EISA partition is 'Here'
(http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/02/29/delete-and-remove-to-unlock-eisa-hidden
-recovery-or-diagnostic-partition-in-vista/
)

-*Deleting the EISA partition will remove your ability to perform a
OneKey system restore*-.

hope this clarifies what I read your Screen shot to be indicating, all
the best

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 21:55 GMT
Thank you for ALL your help Nigel, I appreciate the Lenovo information,
which I am familar with since (for no apparent reason) they shipped the
system with the OS, OneKey and OneKey Backups, on a 30GB "C" Drive
although they had a 270GB "D" available. After numerous complaintts they
came up with a patch, which I installed this morning and then started
encountering my self inflicted problems.
In any event, a couple of comments / questions.
You that that "Your screen shot shows this except that the d: drive has
been further partitioned into D:, E:, F:, G:, & H: Drives". True, I
partitioned the "D" Drive into seperate Drives / Partitions for:
Programs, Data files, Photos and BU Files.
-*You also wrote :Deleting the EISA partition will remove your ability
to perform a OneKey system restore",*- which makes NO SENSE to me since
this Partition is on the External Drive which I created (not Lenovo).
Am I missing something?
Also, for some reason the External Drive does NOT appear when I click
on Start ---> Computer (it DID appear until I started playing around
with things).
I also re-named the External Drive, could it  be that the new Drive
letter ("Z" Drive") for the External Drive (that INCLUDES the 16.08
EISA), won't show up until I restart my system?
Thanks again for the great help.
Bob

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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 22:17 GMT
Yes I think it's a good idea to reboot.

if windows can't see the external drive then there is no way that Disk
management or Diskpart will be able to do anything to it.

This is where my confusion stems from, as the screen shot you provided
shows the internal drive only, deleting the EISA partition ON THIS DRIVE
will stop the recovery process working.

If you could reboot and post another screenshot that shows the both
drives I should hopefully be able to guide you further.

As for the 30GB system drive on the lenovo, Which if the size is
changed will also stop the recovery process, hopefully lenovo with the
patch issued are finally listening to their users - its been an issue
around the lenovo forums for some time now

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*Nigel*
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understand.,- frank herbert

SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 22:15 GMT
Hi,

Thanks for having a look Nigel.

He has 8 volumes listed at the top of the Disk management window, but
only 7 allocated to Disk 0. Like you, I would have expected to see his
external hd allocated to Disk 1.

Bob - now I've looked at your screenshot again, I wonder if your
external drive is allocated as Disk 4 or 5 - i.e. off the bottom of the
page.

Could you go into Disk Management and scroll down the bottom window and
if you find your external drive there, post another screenshot?  (Might
be a good idea to restart before doing that.)

You might find it is still showing the full amount of drive space.

Thanks SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 22:59 GMT
Hello again Nigel and crew, thank you all so much for your help.
I have attached a copy of Disk 5 (you were right) along with
Start--->Computer showing the Drives on my system.
Very confusing, the External Drive appears on the Disk Manager List but
not on My Computer.
Thanks, Bob

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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 23:03 GMT
sorry bob no attachment this end can you re-post please

as for the drive not showing in my computer that would suggest the
drive is not formatted

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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 23:07 GMT
Hi Bob,

Great - only we didn't get the screenshot.

Sorry to have to ask you to post that second jpeg screenshot again.
Didn't see you'd asked for it , sorry Nigel

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:16 GMT
Valid file extensions: bat bmp doc exe gif jpe jpeg jpg log nfo pdf png
psd reg swf txt vbs zip

    [image: http://www.vistax64.com/images/styles/vista/attach/jpg.gif]
    'Disk Manager and System.jpg'
(http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6723&stc=1&d=1222035241)
    (242.2 KB)

Additional Options, Attach Files reads "
Valid file extensions: bat bmp doc exe gif jpe jpeg jpg log nfo pdf
png psd reg swf txt vbs zip

[image:
http://www.vistax64.com/images/styles/vista/attach/jpg.gif]     'Disk
Manager and System.jpg'
(http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6723&stc=1&d=1222035241)
(242.2 KB)" so I assume that it will work.
Bob

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barman58 - 21 Sep 2008 23:28 GMT
ok bob that looks better

do you he data on the Z drive?

if you don't it would probably be best to delete the first partition on
DRIVE 5 and create a new partition covering the whole drive.

if you have data on the drive it should allow you to extend your
partition into the unallocated space

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SIW2 - 21 Sep 2008 23:36 GMT
If it was me, I would right click drive z and extend it to it's full
size , as Nigel says (not sure why that unallocated space is showing as
black though ).

Then make whatever partitions I wanted on z - then copy the stuff from
the logical drives onto it.

Then delete the Disk0 logical drives and the extended partition
containing them.

Then extend the C partition to it's full extent. (keeping the Eisa
partition, of course ).

I think what you were after is a bigger C partition?

SIW2

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:36 GMT
Sorry about the previous attachment, second time is the charm.
To answer your question about data on the (External) "Z" Drive, I DON'T
know!
As we've discussed, the "Z" Drive is an External Drive, so I can remove
it by disconnecting the UBS cable,  but I can't "see" the "Z" Drive on
my computer.
It only appears when I  open Disk Manager but I am unable to see its'
contents.
I restarted my computer and disconnected and reconnected the "Z" Drive
but it pulled a Houdini (disappeared).
Bob

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Boblink - 21 Sep 2008 23:39 GMT
Hi SIW2, the only problem is that I have LOTS of (historical) Backup
data on the External Drive that I do NOT want to lose.  I may move the
"Z" Drive to another computer (that one has Xp) and see what appears /
what I can do but right now it's a mystery.
Bob

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 12:29 GMT
*For information purposes, this is a little backround information about
my system from Lenovo:*

Lenovo creates three partitions on the installed Hard Disk Drive:
·          The smaller drive commonly known as the _C_ drive which
contains Windows and your pre-installed software. The _C_ drive should
NOT be resized otherwise your _OneKey_ recovery may no longer operate.
·          The larger drive known as the _D_ drive which is ready for
storing your personal data files such as videos, music, pictures etc.
Both the _C_ and _D_ drives are visible in Windows but the _D_ drive is
MUCH larger to hold all your personal data. The _C_ drive should NOT be
resized otherwise your _OneKey_ recovery may no longer operate.
·          The _Service_Partition_ (the partition without a drive
letter) is used by the _OneKey_ recovery system to backup and recover
the _C_ partition. This -invisible- partition requires only 18GB to 20GB
of HDD space. The service partition should NOT be deleted otherwise your
_OneKey_ recovery will no longer operate.

*And here is what I have done since my last POST.
I disconnected the External ?Z" Drive and my system was able to boot
just fine and appears to operate as it did when the **External Drive**
was connected.
I created a OneKey Backup with the **External Drive** disconnected so I
have to beliece that the 18GB Partition (that I inadvertently created)
is NOT "associated" with the Lenovo OneKey Recovery program.
I am going to try and connect the **External Drive** to another system
(Toshiba Laptop) to see if the Drive is recognized on that system and
will report back later.
Thank* *you again for your help and patients guys,
Bob*

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 13:18 GMT
Hello again guys, I disconnected the External Drive from the Lenovo
system and connected it to a WindowsXp system and an 58.3GB "H"
Drive(with ALL my backup files) appeared on the My Computer.
I find this very VERY strange for two reasons, first this is a 80GB HD
and "only" 58.3GB are recognized, the remainder of the Drive was
Partitioned by me yesterday, it appears as EISA on (Administrative) Disk
Manager and  is "invisible" to me on the Lenovo syste.
Second, althought I am unable to "see" the Drive on the Lenovo system,
it appears (at least 58.3GB of it do), on another system.
TOO much for a non techie to comprehend so I am at your mercy for HELP.
Thank,
Bob

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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 15:16 GMT
Hi Bob,

Thanks for the update - many laptop manufacturers have a similar system
, although they use different names for their recovery systems.

Lenovo put their recovery program on what they label the C partition
(along with their other pre-installed programs and the windows operating
system.

Obviously, they don't recommend messing with this C drive in case you
delete or overwrite that recovery program.

( Merely extending the C drive will not damage any programs on it -
however, if the resizing involved deleting that partition, or formatting
the existing volume, then it would - it is easier for them to say don't
touch it ).

When you start that recovery program ( which they call Onekey ), it
heads off to get the files it needs to restore your machine to factory
condition. These files are kept on a separate partition. They call this
the Service partition.

This Service partition is on your internal hard drive, it is not
visible in Windows  ( i.e. in the Computer window - but it will be
visible in Disk Management ), it does not have a drive letter and is
18-20gb in size.

The partition that fits that description is the Eisa partition - I
don't recommend deleting this.

It looks to me as if the copy of Onekey you made is the last logical  (
green )drive on the right  in your first screenshot of Disk Management -
which you have named Onekey and given drive letter of K.

Hope this helps

SIW2

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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 15:49 GMT
Hi Bob,

Thought I'd do two posts or it would be too long.

As to your second post - if you look at the second screenshot you sent
us, you will see that your Lenovo machine listed your external drive  as
58.42gb primary and 16.11gb unallocated.

This means Windows can see and use the 58.42gb partition, and it can
see, but not use, the 16.11gb partition. This is normally because the
unusable partition has not been formatted in a way that Windows can
understand.

The "cure" for this is normally to right click and format the
unallocated partition as NTFS, and assign it a drive letter - to create
a new usable partition of 16.11gb. The alternative would normally be to
extend the 58.42gb partition to the right to incorporate this
unallocated space and make the external drive just one big partition.

The reason it shows in Disk Management as less than 80gb in total is
that drive manufacturers have a more generous way of measuring GB than
operating systems do.

I am not as familiar with Xp , but to see what is going on on your Xp
machine, could you please send a screenshot of it's Disk Manangement
window

Thanks

SIW2

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 16:01 GMT
Hey SIW, thank you for the VERY detailed explanation, to a confused soul
like me, EVERYTHING helps! One very minor correction to your narrative,
the Lenovo system is s Desktop, the (Toshiba) Laptop is what I used to
"test" the External Drive but everything that you described about the
"Laptop" (really a Desktop) remains the same and gives me a better
understand of "what's what".
I'm attaching another scan '9 22.jpg'
(http://www.vistax64.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6744&stc=1&d=1222094706)
(223.4 KB) that I took a few minutes ago where Disk Manager shows Disk 5
to contain the infamous "Z" Drive with 58.42GB AND 16.11GB of
Unallocated Space which is DIFFERENT that it was yesterday when it was
labeled EISA.
Just to keep everything straight, this morning I REMOVED the External
Drive from the Desktop and plugged it into a Laptop.  After I checked
that the contents of the External Drive were intact and that "only"
58.42GB "appeared" when I opened MY Computer on the Laptop, I plugged it
back into the Lenovo Desktop and the Lenovo system recognized the
External Drive as "new hardware".
Again, I am not a teckie so this is my "novice assumption", if I FORMAT
the Partition that I inadvertently created and that I want to eliminate,
I will be able to EXTEND the "Z" Drive and add the additional space
(that is currently Unallocated).
If this is correct, I could appreciate help as to HOW to Format the
Unallocated Space since FILE and ACTION on the Pulldown Menu do NOT
offer this option.
If this assumption is WAY off line, then I would appreciate your
thoughts / suggestions / advice.
Thanks again for ALL your help guys,
Pain in the &^%$, Bob

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 16:10 GMT
OK guys, if I was confused before, I don't know what you would call me
know!  I decided to change the letter of the "Z" Drive and assigned it
as "H" Drive and low and behold, it popped-up on My Computer (see
attachment).
My concern is that it is in RED while everything else (all the Drives)
are in BLUE.
This is WAY beyond my computer literacy level so your help would be
graetly appreciated.
Thanks, Bob
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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 19:14 GMT
Hi Bob,

In Disk management, right click on the the actual unallocated volume in
the bottom window and see what options that gives you.

SIW2

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 19:26 GMT
Hey guys, I Formatted the Unallocated Space and if I can only Merge /
Extend / Combine / ...... this with the existing "H" Drive (i.e. old "Z"
Drive), I think I'll be all set (and get out of your guys hair)!
Oh, I almost forgot, this Drive is displayed in RED which I am assume
means something and I have to assume that something is not something
good.
In any event, two last questions then, how do I COMBINE the Extended
Drive components (that current are an "H" Drive and New Volume) and what
does a RED bar on the Drive represent and if it is a problem, how do I
fix it.
Thanks again guys,
Bob

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 19:33 GMT
Hello SIW, when I right click on New Volume, the available options are:
Mark Partition as Active, Change Drive Letter, Format, Shrink Volume,
Delete Volume, Properties and Help.  Three other options are "greyed
out" (not available, they are Open, Explore and Extend .
When I right click EXTENDED DRIVE "H", ALL the options listed above ARE
available PLUS Open and Explore. The ONLY option that is NOT available
is Extend.

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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 20:25 GMT
Hi Bob,

If you wish to Extend H , you need to first Delete the partition to the
right of it - I see it gives you those options.

SIW2

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barman58 - 22 Sep 2008 20:27 GMT
Ok Bob

I'm Back

1.
The reason that you have a red drive showing in the system because you
have TWO H: drives When you originally set up your internal drive the
OneKey backup drive you created was allocated H: if you reallocate the
partition on the external drive to something else (except
A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H) the red line will disappear.

reboot

2.
To get back to the original problem go back into the disk manager and
delete the 16.11 partition on the external drive.

3.
reboot

next right click on the 58.3GB partition and choose extend to extend
the drive into the 16.11GB of now Unallocated space.

4.
Reboot

you should now have approx 74GB drive named something other than
A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H

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SIW2 - 22 Sep 2008 21:00 GMT
Hi Nigel

Interesting they've hard coded that partition.

Anyway , hopefully that will have sorted it all out for Bob.

SIW2

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barman58 - 22 Sep 2008 21:05 GMT
yeah that is a bit strange probably just needed a reboot.

vista is normally pretty good with drive allocations internals start
with c: and go upward and externals start with z: and go downwards so
you have to have quite a few before they clash unless you override the
defaults of course :D

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Boblink - 22 Sep 2008 22:48 GMT
Thank you again for straightening me out Nigel, this was all caused by a
little mistake (Partitioning the WRONG Drive), I have to be more
careful!
I'm going to be away this weekend and won't be back until Wednesday or
Thursday of next week and will be looking forward to your tutorial.
The only thing that I have done so far to try and elevate the
(capacity) problem on the "C" Drive was to delete some of the freebee
software came with the system, move some files to the "D" Drive and
store Photos on the "D" Drive.
But after all was said and done, I still only have 5.29GB out of 29.2GB
Free so the Dynamic Buffer problem keeps reoccurring.
Thanks again to EVERYONE and anxious to see what you come up with
Nigel.
Bob

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Boblink - 23 Sep 2008 22:12 GMT
Thanks for PC buyers tutorial SIW, my assumption was that "the biggies"
have the (mass) purchasing power and experience to offer a slew of
machines at competitive prices and never thought about looking into
smaller operations. There are plenty of PC Magazines, I take a look when
I am ready to upgrade (which I don't think will be for several years).
Thanks for the sharing your PC Buying experience with me.
Bob

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Boblink - 06 Oct 2008 00:08 GMT
Hi Nigel, did you get a chance to look at what Lenovo should have done
correctly in the first place "I can see where the that fixed 30GB C:
drive will cause all kinds of problems. there are a few things that
could be done by moving things onto the D:drive, to work around the
limitation. will have to put a few things down on paper and maybe write
a tutorial, maybe this weekend. If I do post a tutorial I'll PM you to
let you know."
Cheers,
Bob

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barman58 - 06 Oct 2008 08:14 GMT
Hi bob,

Have started to put a few options on paper but not had any real chance
to work on things with other pressures, have to earn a crust :D

anyway hopefully should have a little time this week so will try to get
to it, I think the information will help a lot of laptop users with
limited space and external drives too. so will concentrate on things
such as moving data and programs to a separate partition or drive so
that will work in both laptop plus fixed size c: scenarios

the obvious things such as swap files will work for you but not in a
laptop/external drive setup so have to include this type of thing as an
option.

anyway thanks for the reminder, will get to it and let you know

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Boblink - 06 Oct 2008 12:54 GMT
Hi Nigel, I have a opened a Formal Complaint with Lenovo and will keep
you POSTED in the case they come up with a solution (so that you may be
able to incorporate it in your thinking / analysis). Anyway, I sincerely
appreciate your help and hopefully lots of users will be able to benefit
from your Herculean efforts.
Bob

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barman58 - 07 Oct 2008 08:19 GMT
Hi Bob,

Just to keep you up to date I think I have a way, (untested by me so
far), to move the Program Files,(or 3rd party apps,at least),and  Winsxs
folders plus the Virtual memory File which on my setup would clear about
16GB :D the methods look sound although a little scary. It should also
be able to move use user APPDATA and the Windows Udate Filestore, which
are two other major users of drive space, but need more research

I would like to find a machine to try it on (other than my primary
machine,;), just in case). will also try to condense each part into a
script of some kind to ease the process. a lot of this is from people
who have Vista working on an E-PC and USB sticks so does show what is
possible :shock::cool:

will keep you informed

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Boblink - 07 Oct 2008 12:18 GMT
Hello Nigel, you cease to amaze me with your wealth of knowledge and my
first thought is if in fact you have "broken the code" and (after
testing have confirmed that you) have figured out how to free up space
on the HD, you should be able to market (sell) this to algorithm to one
of the PC manufacturers.  As I previously mentioned, I am "doing battle"
with Lenovo on this and the Lenovo Community message board indicates
that many many other users have the same problem so I have to guess
Lenovo has some of its' best people working on it and should be very
willing to to obtain all the help that they can get. Just a suggestion
Nigel and I will be checking back periodically to see how you
progressed. Right now I am busy trying to figure out an IE7.0 problem
but that's another issue, something else to keep me busy.
Thank you again for all your efforts Nigel,
Regards,
Bob

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Boblink - 26 Oct 2008 01:37 GMT
Hi Nigel, just wanted to give you an update.  Lenovo advised me that
they are planning to release an update that will reform the "C" Drive
(which currently is Partitioned to a 30Gs where Vista and the OneKey
Recovery program reside and a 270G partition or "D" Drive where
programs, apps, data,... files are kept), into one big "C" drive which
the end user could do what he/she wants with.  From what I understand
(which is not much), the only thing that will happen is that the 300G
"C" Drive that was Partitioned will be reformatted and no longer
<factory> partitioned. I am not sure if the OneKey recovery program will
be included in this update and when I asked them if I could skip the
updated and just delete the OneKery programs from the "C" partition they
said no, that removing the OneKey recovery program will make Vista
unstable. Anyway, I thought I would give you an update and thank you
again for straightening me out.
Best wishes,
Bob

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