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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / Administration / December 2006Vista public release date
I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement, I had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM. And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!! I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating systems and the Internet. I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues? Absof#@kinglutely! I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf. I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP. No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people. Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well) is from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several sources, and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry, and, last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support. I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft. But...I gotta tell ya... things don't look good. Too early! Too soon! I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this forum, a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not give Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date. Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have a final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your posts, Vista is ailing. I am going to click on the "Post" button now. I probably shouldn't... But... ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been cleared up.. >I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" >TV [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords Mike -- I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and missed RC2], and it is working well for me. I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update process take it from there? Thanks, Russ Walden > It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for > me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been > cleared up.. Russ; No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM. Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not. IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded. You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade. However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta. This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS. Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting the process.  SignatureJupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org > Mike -- > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Russ Walden I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok, some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they want to continue selling software > Russ; > No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> Thanks, >> Russ Walden Most of the problems I'm seeing with RTM are driver related of issues around third party apps no longer having access to parts of the OS due to security. If the latter of these mean that Vista is more secure and STABLE I'll put up with waiting for third party software producers to release Vista versions. I have to say though there are very few things that I can't do on Vista and for those I have an XP Virtual machine loaded on Vista. I've even left UAC on for the first time when I installed RTM, I still am yet to be convinced that UAC is worth the hassle but I'll give it a go. Colin T >I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has >finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> Thanks, >>> Russ Walden Having been part of the team of volunteers (only a small part tho lol) I have seen vista grow and improve from the start. The only issue I have now is that companies like ATI/AMD and NVIDIA have not rleeased drivers for their hardware! They got as far as RC1 and then went no further - even tho there are RC2 and RTM which have been produced and tested as much as they can be, so any new issues that come up with hardware on your systems when vista is released will be down to them, NOT MS - and NOT the thousands of beta testers who hounded the hardware companies for updated drivers cdesigned to work with vista. I have Vista Ultimate running on my machine at the mo and am a hardened gamer playing BF2 and BF2142 for the most part, and all I can say is that VISTA rocks! I have my system dual booted so that my XP is still available, but have found that bearing in mind i am on a lower graphics card than normal at the mo the games are smoother on vista, i can set my graphics higher and not get any problems. The card I have at the mo is a 128mb Radeon 9550 - look up the specs to see how slow it is lol, the card I had before was the Radeon X700 256mb - compare the specs!, and the card I am awaiting delivery of is the Radeon X1300 PRO check out those specs agains the other two (256mb memory on this one too). While they are not as sharp as the x700 was, they are sharper than under XP which when you consider a nice fresh XP uses only around 190mb of system ram, and a standard Vista fresh install uses between 300 and 450mb of ram depending on the features you run the fact that the games work better tells you a lot! Vista is as ready for release as it can be under the circumstances, dont blame MS for probs on release, blame the lazy sods who produced your hardware for not producing the stuff they should have so we could iron out hardware bugs! Happy new year Stu > Most of the problems I'm seeing with RTM are driver related of issues > around third party apps no longer having access to parts of the OS due to [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>>> Thanks, >>>> Russ Walden I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista drivers and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not Microsoft's fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months now. The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here or on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it for a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having the same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with MS. If it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back. > I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV > advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date are: 1) Occasional Explorer crashes 2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items 3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell workstations 4) Network password functionality loss Stuart. ---------- > I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real > complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista drivers [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting in a force shutdown >I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations > were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date are: [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> > >> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords I'm now seeing problems re-enabling my monitors on both of these Vista systems after Vista turns them off according to the power plan. Guess I'll have to disable that too :( Oh well, that's what we get for being early deployers :) > I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting in a > force shutdown [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > >> > > >> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords Did you upgrade or clean install for these problems? I havent had any of those (clean install). However I did fnd that there is an issue when your computer puts itself on standby if you use a router, you get local network instantly, but you have to either fiddle around and reair or restart the system before it gives back internet access! Stu > I'm now seeing problems re-enabling my monitors on both of these Vista > systems after Vista turns them off according to the power plan. Guess I'll [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] >> >> > >> >> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=9 1320940-b2ae-470a-a830-82ec322fdb48&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.administra tion_accounts_passwords |
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