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David Johnson - 15 Feb 2007 22:20 GMT Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get enough of that on the Job. I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you can't do that!" involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't use "Run as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would it be easier to just reinstall? Please help.
David
Joshua - 16 Feb 2007 01:07 GMT try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account type to administator.
> Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David buyslake - 16 Feb 2007 02:57 GMT I have the same problem and I am not very happy. I have several programs that tell me I can't uninstall or install because I do not have sufficient priviledges to change. It tells me to log on as administrator. I am the adminstrator and I have administrator priviledges. I also turned off user account control and I still get the same error! I uninstalled Adobe Acobe Professional because it kept wanting to reconfigure itself everytime I turned on the computer. Now I installed that program before I upgraded to vista a week before in the Windows XP environment. I did a home premium vista upgrade.
What is the solution to this Microsoft? I can not uninstall my bluetooth drivers or upgrade them either. Just yesterday I installed them using the new drivers for vista and they installed and set up fine, today my it detected my ipaq via bluetooth and it wants the bluetooth driver but it will not update them because it says I do not have priviledges and I need to log on as administrator. Thats funny, I am the administrator and I installed the drivers fine yesterday!
Wow, I am am really angry I switched to vista, I don't see much advantage and I have had 3 days of pure hell trying to resolve all the issues.!!! Please help!
> try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems > and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > David buyslake - 18 Feb 2007 18:14 GMT Joshua, As you can see in my original post I stated I am the administrator and I did turn off user account control.
Here is a more detail.
I am having several owner permissions rights problems with Windows Vista. I upgraded my Dell XPS M1210 to Windows Vista from Windows XP Media Center addition on 2/14/2007.
I set up myself as the administrator. I am the administrator account. However, on several occasions now I am unable to remove software, reinstall software, install drivers etc. because it says I do not have permissions and I need to re-logon as administrator.
For example I installed a Cannon Selphy CP730 compact printer driver while it was in Windows XP mode. Now I want to upgrade that driver to newer driver supplied by Cannon for Windows Vista. The cannon rep advised me to delete the registry entry for the printer. However I am not able to give myself full rights and delete. I looked to see who the owner is, it says Administrators. Now I am the Administrator but not the AdministratorS. How did this administrators account get on my computer? I never put it there. I did a Belarc Advisor analysis on the computer and it shows there is an Adminstrator account that is marked as locked. I understand I can not lock or unlock an account with Windows Vista Home Premium.
Could someone please tell me how to get rid of the Administrators account and give myself (the owner of the pc and the person who set everything up) the rights to remove/install programs or edit the registry!
I am unable to use my printer, connect my ipaq, run adobe professional reinstall, etc. because of this.
On more thing, when I look at the security tab for the registry edit entry for Group or user names it has 3 enteries 1) Everyone 2) Owner rights 3) System
I even tried to add myself through the advance tab and give myself permissions through the usb and also enum and it won’t work! It will not give me full control.
This is unbelieveable, it is my computer, I purchased windows vista, loaded my software and yet I am not the owner? And it will not give me any control.
This really upsets me, what is wrong with windows vista? How did this other administrators account appear and take control of programs and owns them?
P.S. I have looked in the Microsoft management console and there are no groups set up.
> I have the same problem and I am not very happy. I have several programs > that tell me I can't uninstall or install because I do not have sufficient [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > > > David cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) - 21 Feb 2007 08:42 GMT On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:14:07 -0800, buyslake
>Here is a more detail. I loooove detail :-)
>I am having several owner permissions rights problems with >Windows Vista. I upgraded my Dell XPS M1210 to Windows >Vista from Windows XP Media Center addition on 2/14/2007. Now this raises an interesting potential problem pattern that may apply wherever Vista has been installed as an OS upgrade.
A more generic form of this pattern can be stated like this...
When you install Vista, and then drivers and apps, the installation process will "vet" these. Known-incompatible stuff won't be installed, and where the installer auto-selects between different code and options for different OSs, it will do so for Vista.
When you installed XP, this process would have ensured that everything is selected and set up for XP. When you then upgrade to Vista, you inherit a code base that is XP-OK, but not neceissarily Vista-OK, and Vista doesn't have the opportunity to "vet" anything.
The more specific variant of this is...
When you install Vista, Vista's security model and UAC will vet what can be installed or written where. Installers and apps will not be allowed to do certain things, so these protected things will be free of any app or driver footpring there. Apps and drivers that insist on such access simply won't install or won't work.
When you installed these apps and drivers in XP, Vista's protections weren't in effect, so material may be present within Vista's protected spaces. Now Vista's protections bvecome particularly vexing, because you can't get at those protected spaces to clear out a footprint that should never have been allowed there in the first place.
>I set up myself as the administrator. I am the administrator account. >However, on several occasions now I am unable to remove software, reinstall >software, install drivers etc. because it says I do not have permissions and >I need to re-logon as administrator.
>For example I installed a Cannon Selphy CP730 compact printer driver while >it was in Windows XP mode. Now I want to upgrade that driver to newer driver >supplied by Cannon for Windows Vista. The cannon rep advised me to delete >the registry entry for the printer. However I am not able to give myself >full rights and delete. I looked to see who the owner is, it says >Administrators. Now I am the Administrator but not the AdministratorS. Rights are assigned to groups, which are cataegories of users that have a modifiable template of rights assigned to each.
The addministrators group contains all user accounts that are created or assigned as members of that group. If you give a user account "admin rights", it will prolly become a member of this group.
In addition, XP had a single dedicated "Administrator" account that generally wasn't used outside Safe Mode. This particular account could sometimes do things the AdministratorS group can't.
Vista brings its own value to the party, and how this shakes up the XP Admin account thing, I don't know. As a non-corporate tech, I generally try to avoid having anything to do with user accounts; they are invaluable in pro-IT big-network settings, but in consumerland they just seem to be more hassle than they're worth.
As you've installed Vista over XP, you may have inherited a mix of XP and Vista account rights and logic. Un-fun, if that's the case.
>How did this administrators account get on my computer? It's a group, not an account - a template of rights that can be applied to user accounts. XP Home casts a few of these templates in stone; XP Pro gives you the flexibility to edit these as well as create new group rights templates of your own.
>I did a Belarc Advisor analysis on the computer and it shows there is >an Adminstrator account that is marked as locked. I understand I can not >lock or unlock an account with Windows Vista Home Premium. OK - that's prolly the XP Administrator account that Vista inherited. Vista either creates such an account and locks it, or it doesn't create such an account at all, and has locked the XP account that it found when installing as an upgrade.
A lot of this stuff is surely known, but alas not by me. Check out Microsoft's pages on Vista administration, such as TechNet, MSDN, etc. as there should be rigorous documentation there.
>Could someone please tell me how to get rid of the Administrators account >and give myself (the owner of the pc and the person who set everything up) >the rights to remove/install programs or edit the registry! I hope so; the above is all I can offer :-/
>I am unable to use my printer, connect my ipaq, run adobe professional >reinstall, etc. because of this.
>This is unbelieveable, it is my computer, I purchased windows vista, loaded >my software and yet I am not the owner? And it will not give me any control. >This really upsets me, what is wrong with windows vista? How did this other >administrators account appear and take control of programs and owns them? Good questions - if this is a typical outcome, then we have doors to pound, else if it is not the typical outcome, we need to look at how your particular upgrade process brought you here.
Maybe the bottom line is the same as it's usually been: Do NOT upgrade an existing installation to a new Windows version?
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>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - - pkg_deal - 11 May 2007 02:35 GMT I feel your pain. I installed the program why am I not administrator enough to delete it? Can someone give me a simple step by step instruction on what to do?
> I have the same problem and I am not very happy. I have several programs > that tell me I can't uninstall or install because I do not have sufficient [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > > > David David Johnson - 16 Feb 2007 13:45 GMT Appreciate your reply. In the Users folder under C drive I have "David" and if I right click and click on "properties" then click "security" I have the following listed: SYSTEM, David(David-PC\David, and lastly Administrators(David-PC\David). Am I not an Administrator account? If not how do I delete these accounts and set me up as "Administrator"?
> try disabling the uac (user account control) that will solve most problems > and if you still can't install or do the run as... try switching your account [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > David Williamc_sircon - 16 Feb 2007 14:11 GMT On Feb 16, 1:45 pm, David Johnson <DavidJohn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Appreciate your reply. In the Users folder under C drive I have "David" and > if I right click and click on "properties" then click "security" I have the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The UAC is turned on by default, it's an extra layer of security so that even people WITH admin rights (including the admin) have to acknowlage that a change is to be made to the system.
This can be turned off easily!
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
XP-2 install error, CD needs cleaning - 16 Feb 2007 20:54 GMT Reuben, I have same problem, I can't install software because I dont have Adminstrative rights, " I am the Administrator" so what the hell is going on with Vista. I disabled it in msconfig and it didnt help. Someone please help 't
> On Feb 16, 1:45 pm, David Johnson > <DavidJohn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm XP-2 install error, CD needs cleaning - 16 Feb 2007 21:10 GMT David hilde, I did the regedit thing, value was already zero, I am the adminstrator. Also did the msconfig thing, still get blocked, from installing programs Reuben
> On Feb 16, 1:45 pm, David Johnson > <DavidJohn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm XP-2 install error, CD needs cleaning - 16 Feb 2007 21:10 GMT > On Feb 16, 1:45 pm, David Johnson > <DavidJohn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Reuben, I have same problem, I can't install software because I dont have Adminstrative rights, " I am the Administrator" so what the hell is going on with Vista. I disabled it in msconfig and it didnt help. Someone please help 't
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) - 17 Feb 2007 19:34 GMT On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:20:33 -0800, David Johnson <David
>Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user >on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of >Windows because I have to ask the "Administrator" to do t for me. I get >enough of that on the Job. Yup, this is because the NT security model was developed for corporate networks, and has inappropriately been dropped into place as-is when NT was pushed at "the rest of us" as XP.
The NT model ASSumes each user will do a narrowly-defined range of permitted activities, as befitting their job description. That's fine when you are being paid to do only work-related things on the company's PC, but it becomes inappropriate when you own your own PC.
You may have avoided this problem in XP by simply running as administrator all the time, but that undermines much of the security that XP may have been able to offer you.
Because consumers didn't take to using limited user accounts, and pretending to be someone else when they wanted to admin thier own PC, the software vendors catering for consumers didn't bother to embrace the NT security model either. So games, accounting packages, etc. all required you to have admin rights in order for their software to work.
So it's "chicken and egg"; no-one in consumerland runs with less than admin rights because their sware won't work, and no sware vendor writres for reduced rights because everyone runs as admin anyway.
The result; consumerland misses out on most of NT's security protection, and gets shot to pieces by malware. The aggregate firepower of consumer broadband, coupled with rampant malware infection, leads to huge botnets that act as massive wild virtual servers, currently carrying 95% of spam and being used as hacking and DDoS tools against businesses and so on.
Vista tries to make NT security available to users who have not embraced the "let's all pretend to be corporate serfs" model, i.e. most of us, by retrofitting some of these protections to user accounts that are set up with admin rights.
IMO, this is a great idea, and I also see in Vista the beginnings of a move away from dumbo account-based rights (where everything that happens in a logon session gets the same rights as you) towards more consumer-appropriate per-program rights (e.g. IE 7 runs with less rights than you do, thus limiting the harm web sites can do, and programs have to ask you for permission to do admin things).
Ironically, Vista is seen as inflicting the NT user rights model on consumers even as it moves away from this model, because for many of us, it is the first time we've ever had to think about "admin rights".
It may be new to us, but folks from other platforms (MacOS, Linux) that pride themselves on being "more secure" see these prompts all the time, often with password required. This process is pointed to as one reason why these platforms are "more secure", whereas the same prompts in Vista are complained about as being a meaningless nuisance.
>I am running Vista Home Premium. The latest "you can't do that!" >involved installing my printer software and I'm told I can't use "Run >as..". I must log off and log in as Administrator or else have the >Administrator do it for me. I am at home for god's sake! I am the only >user. Sorry but I am frustrated. Did I miss something at install and would >it be easier to just reinstall? Please help. DON'T "just" re-install.
Consider that these alerts become highly valuable when they pop up unexpectedly, when sware running without your knowledge is trying to rip into the system behind your back.
Think of this as like the discreet "beep" you hear from your home burglar alarm every time you open a door to the outside of your house. When it isn't you that's opening that door, then you may *really* want to know that that is happening.
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>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - - David Johnson - 18 Feb 2007 19:39 GMT I know what you are trying to say, and I really don't mind the security. My problem is that I don't seem to be acknowledged as the ADMINSTRATOR account that I am. "Administrator/David-PC" Just let me sign in as I should and I'll be pleased.
David
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:20:33 -0800, David Johnson <David > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > Be easier to use! > >--------------- ---- --- -- - - - - cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) - 21 Feb 2007 08:44 GMT On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:39:03 -0800, David Johnson
>I know what you are trying to say, and I really don't mind the security. My >problem is that I don't seem to be acknowledged as the ADMINSTRATOR account >that I am. "Administrator/David-PC" Just let me sign in as I should and I'll >be pleased. Heh - I just re-read an earlier post and replied from a completely different perspective :-)
I think when I read it last time, I didn't catch the whole XP Administrator account angle, or that this was a Vista-over-XP install.
So we're on the R(etry) of the ARF <g>
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - - Saws are too hard to use. Be easier to use!
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - - Daniel Côté - 21 Feb 2007 13:18 GMT Basically the same issue here.
It's difficult to install software at times because I don't have the permissions on my own machine. In terms of usability, very disruptive and frustrating. Security issues aside, perhaps different means of security would be beneficial.
Dan
bp - 24 Feb 2007 13:35 GMT You may have an incompatible program that is not requesting rights properly. Have you tried contacting the vender?
> Basically the same issue here. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dan celticmusic - 11 Jun 2007 23:41 GMT Similar problem. I'm trying to add a printer from another computer on my work group and as soon as I press 'add printer' I get a message that says I don't have sufficient rights to do this. How do I get the rights?
> You may have an incompatible program that is not requesting rights properly. > Have you tried contacting the vender? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Dan Stan CounsellS - 06 Oct 2007 09:40 GMT It seems there is a common problem here. When I was working I was for a time "Adminstrator" using NT4 so I should be used to admin rights. I am confused that Vista will not allow me to repair MS Outlook which has gone fatal: it is a complete denial of entry, not even asking for the admin password.
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> Basically the same issue here. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dan Ronnie Vernon MVP - 06 Oct 2007 13:45 GMT Hi Stan
In Vista, administrator accounts are different from the traditional admin accounts you may have been used to working with in previous versions of windows.
A normal, user created, admin account has 2 separate tokens. Standard User and Administrator. The account runs with the Standard User Token at all times, unless a program needs to perform a function that requires admin privileges. At this point the program either requests admin privileges or UAC detects the need for admin privileges and you are presented with a dialog that requests the privilege elevation. The benefit is that you can operate in the relative safer environment of a standard user and still have the power of the admin account that can be easily invoked. This gives you complete power to either allow or deny any program that tries to gain system wide access.
The problem is that some older older programs, that were designed with a traditional admin account in mind, will either not function properly or throw error messages if it cannot access restricted areas of the OS.
This can usually be overcome by starting and running the program as administrator, if you decide that it is safe to do so.
Getting to Know User Account Control: MVP Article of the Month - October 2006: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/secmvp/sv1006.mspx
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> It seems there is a common problem here. When I was working I was for a > time [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Dan Chris Game - 07 Oct 2007 10:40 GMT > The problem is that some older older programs, that were designed > with a traditional admin account in mind, will either not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > This can usually be overcome by starting and running the program > as administrator, if you decide that it is safe to do so. The puzzling thing is why 'Run as administrator' is necessary for the standard user/administrator account set up on installing Vista. This account surely should be able to elevate its privileges for operations that require it through the UAC 'Do you want to continue' dialogs. Why would you need to start the operation using 'Run as administrator', or indeed do you need to at all?
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 07 Oct 2007 23:26 GMT Chris
You may need this option for older programs that were made prior to Vista. Most of these programs were developed assuming that everyone uses an administrator account, despite warnings that they should not be programmed this way.
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>> The problem is that some older older programs, that were designed >> with a traditional admin account in mind, will either not [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > dialogs. Why would you need to start the operation using 'Run as > administrator', or indeed do you need to at all? Chris Game - 08 Oct 2007 23:36 GMT > You may need this option for older programs that were made prior > to Vista. Most of these programs were developed assuming that > everyone uses an administrator account, despite warnings that > they should not be programmed this way. Yes, my question was really to try to understand why the OS wouldn't offer to elevate the privileges of the user when such programs try to access or write data outside the user's usual area, as it does for many operations on files.
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bettyboop - 23 Aug 2007 01:42 GMT I am another person that is NOT happy with Vista however I had the premium and upgraded to Ultimate now ACCESS DENIED is jumping up everywhere,then these parameter incorrect or corrupted messages started.the people on the network rolled my premium up and put it in a file and did what they called a clean install.It worked for one day and I have hit every FAQ,posting place,have ask windows & microsoft.they have a tech working on it no word from him in over 24hrs. People tell me to open User Accounts I have tried The only thing I haven't tried is TNT I go C:\ access denied .go control panel user accounts properties security(tab) advance then its Betty-PC administrator , System , Betty-PC and then everybody when I press the OWNERS tab guess who? Systems is the owner.???? I seem to remember paying for the computer and the upgrade.Help me if you can I will try almost anything.(been told what to do with it NOT NICE.)
I can not download,update or even open a file. At the log-in window where you put your password it says locked but lets me in ????
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> Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David mz carolyn - 07 Nov 2009 12:53 GMT hi im the only user of a used computer but i dont no the administrator log on information so now i cant restart on computer to b the administrator to download or switch users can u tell me how to reset the computer so i can b administrator please help asap , thankz
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> Seems I have the same problems as many users out there. I am the ONLY user > on my computer and I can't do many tasks I enjoyed on past versions of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David
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