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Ben - 02 Apr 2007 19:18 GMT
Ive found a technical page on the Microsoft web site that explains my problem
(see link below) but it doesnt tell me how to put it right simply so someone
with very little computer knowledge can do it - any help gratefully recieved.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926183/en-us
Ronnie Vernon MVP - 02 Apr 2007 20:52 GMT
Ben

That article simply describes the built-in Administrator account in Vista.
This is an account that is hidden, by default and should not be used except
in cases of an emergency. If for some reason all other administrator
accounts get deleted, this account will still be available when you log into
Safe Mode.

Can you describe the problem you are having?

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Ben - 02 Apr 2007 21:14 GMT
I purchased a pc with Vista basic pre-installed. I set up 2 user accounts and
an Administrator account as directed. The 2 user accounts were for myself and
my wife and the Administartor account was there for when I needed it (as per
Windows advice). Everything was good and I decided to upgrade to Premium
using the Windows Anytime upgrade disc after puchasing the licence on-line.
The upgrade completed and my machine re-booted but the welcome screen only
showed the log in for the two user accounts. The administrator log in has
disapeared.
When I go control panel>user accounts>manage another account it shows the 2
user accounts and the administrator account. I just need a method of logging
in to that administator account so I can give the administrator control to
one of the other accounts.
This is getting very frustrating as I cant even clean re-install from the
upgrade disc because I dont have the right privilages - no control over my
own pc after spending 90 quid on an upgrade..
Any help gratefully recieved

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 02 Apr 2007 23:26 GMT
Ben

You need to boot to Safe Mode. When you go to Safe Mode, you can only log-in
with an Administrator account. If there are no other administrator accounts
left, Vista is designed to log you on with the Built-in Administrator
account. This account does not have a password, by default.

Reboot the computer and start tapping the F8 key while it restarts. You will
eventually see a black screen with several menu options, use the Arrow Keys
to select Safe Mode and press the Enter Key.

Once in Safe Mode, you can either create a new Administrator account change
one of the Standard User accounts to Administrator.

I'm not sure what may have happened to your original administrator account
when you performed the upgrade?

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>I purchased a pc with Vista basic pre-installed. I set up 2 user accounts
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SROC4 - 03 Apr 2007 03:16 GMT
I posted a similar problem above. The difference in my case is that I did not
program a password for my administrator profile. I tried running the Safe
Mode process you suggested, but it just goes straight to my standard user
profile. I do not see any option for me to log in as an administrator.

What am I missing?

Help!

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 03 Apr 2007 07:25 GMT
SROC4

I don't see your previous message. It may not have posted properly?
Please repost your original message.

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SROC4 - 03 Apr 2007 08:32 GMT
Here it is:

I bought my computer with Vista Business intalled. I've been using the
administrator profile (as my profile) up until yesterday when I switched it
to a "user". I assigned the ASP.NET profile as administrator and did not
assign a password. When I restarted my PC, now there is no way for me to
access the administrator rights since it requires me to input a password. Is
there a default password for this, since I did not assign one in th first
place? Now there is no way for me to change the settings of my PC.

Please help!!!

Thanks!

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 03 Apr 2007 23:38 GMT
The way I understand this is the ASP.NET account is created when the .Net
Framework is installed. This account has special permissions configured and
a random password is generated for the account. This account is
automatically accessed and used when you perform ASP.NET development work
for web applications. I don't think this account was designed for everyday
use.

The only thing I can suggest is that you go to the MSDN Developer Forums and
describe the problem and ask if there is a way to retrieve or change the
automatically generated password for that account. Post the message in one
of the ASP.NET forums there.

MSDN Forums:
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?SiteID=1

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SROC4 - 04 Apr 2007 00:00 GMT
I'll check it out. I hope they can help me or else I'm screwed.

Thanks!

> The way I understand this is the ASP.NET account is created when the .Net
> Framework is installed. This account has special permissions configured and
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 04 Apr 2007 01:05 GMT
Post back here and let us know, good or bad. Things are always evolving with
different issues and someone here may come up with more information on this
problem.

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Carl G - 09 Apr 2007 22:49 GMT
Hi All
I always get that ASP.NET acount installed when I install my ATI video
drivers. As it installs Netframework.
I just delete the acount and the files. Have never had it create a problem
for what I do.
I don't know what I or any regular User would use it for.
It don't seam to hurt anything by deleteing it.

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SROC4 - 03 Apr 2007 19:02 GMT
Ronnie,

I found this link and tried it. The problem is when I try to Save the
changes it tells me my access is denied since I am only signed in as a User.
This is really frustrating!

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleI
d=9001970&pageNumber=1


What sucks is I did not assign a password when I switched the Administrator
profile and automatically assigned one. Is there a way to recover a password?

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Ben - 03 Apr 2007 18:22 GMT
Ronnie,
Ive rebooted in safe mode but there remains no Administrator log in only the
usual standard users. I went to Control panel>user accounts>manage another
account and it will only let me change the pictures nothing else. When I try
to create a new account it says I cant because the name contains ^'|.><* even
though it doesnt.
Even though its in safe mode it seems to be behaving exactly as it does
normally.

Brick in hand-close to smashing!!!!!

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 04 Apr 2007 01:12 GMT
Hi Ben

I have been trying to recreate what you are seeing. I did some testing and
here's what I found.

I had one administrator account on the test system with Vista Home Premium
installed. This was the only account on the system. I demoted this account
to a Standard User and checked to make sure that it was indeed a standard
account without administrator privileges. I then booted into Safe Mode and
at the Welcome screen, the built-in administrator account appeared as an
available account. I logged into this account without a password. This is
the way that Vista was designed to work, but apparently, not what you are
seeing.

A question.

What happens when you are logged on and you try to elevate a program with
administrator privileges?

You can check this by going to Start and type   cmd.exe   in the search box.
In Programs, right click cmd.exe and select Run As Administrator. What
should happen is that you get a UAC prompt to select an administrator
account to use for the elevation. What do you see?

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Ben - 04 Apr 2007 07:44 GMT
Hi Ronnie
First of thanks thanks for helping me with this it is appreciated.

I did as you said and I got a black box with C:\windows\system32> with a
flashing cursor at the end.

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 04 Apr 2007 19:55 GMT
Ben

Sorry for the delay.

OK, perform the same procedure to bring the command window up as
administrator and then do the following.

In the command prompt window, copy/paste this command.

net user administrator /active:yes

Press Enter.

You should see a message, "The command completed successsfully."

Reboot the computer and at the Welcome screen, you should now see the
built-in administrator account. Log on with this account and make the
changes you need. You should create at least one administrator account or
change one of your Standard accounts to an administrator account in Control
Panel/User Accounts.

Once all of the changes are made, go back and repeat the steps above, but
this time use the following command to disable the built-in administrator
account.

net user administrator /active:no
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Ben - 05 Apr 2007 15:24 GMT
Ronnie,

I did as you said and got the following message:
The syntax of this command is:

NET USER
[username [password : * ] [options]] [/DOMAIN]
                username {password : * } /ADD [options] [/DOMAIN]
                username [/DELETE] [/DOMAIN]
                username [/TIMES:{times : ALL}]

and then it returns to the

C:\Windows\system32>


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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 05 Apr 2007 20:27 GMT
Ben

Open the command prompt, as before with Run as administrator. type the
following command.

net user

Press Enter.

Click the small icon on the top left of the window and click Edit/Select
All. Press the Enter Key. This should copy the text on the screen. Paste the
results back here in a reply.

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Ben - 05 Apr 2007 21:32 GMT
Ronnie,

Results as requested.

C:\Windows\system32>net user

User accounts for \\BEN1

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Administrator            ASPNET                   Ben
Benn                     Guest
The command completed successfully.

I'm assuming this means the administrator account is one called Benn. This
is the account I use all the time but when I log in it says its a standard
user account and when i go to control panel it says the same. It also wont
let me change anything without being logged on as an admistrator. The guest
account on control panel is shown as being turned off and it wont let me turn
it on. Ben was the admistrator account before I upgraded.

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 06 Apr 2007 00:25 GMT
Ben

That command only shows all of the user accounts on the system. So you have
4 accounts which are:
Administrator    ASPNET     Ben      Benn     Guest

The first account is the built-in Admionistrator account. I wanted to see
this to make sure that it was available.

Do you have User Account Control disabled? To check this, go to Control
Panel and double click User Accounts. Click the "Turn user account control
on or off" link. There should be a check mark in the box "Use user account
control (UAC) to help protect your comuter" option.

If this is OK, open the command prompt in administrator mode, using my
previous directions and try that
net user administrator /active:yes   command again. Make sure that it is
entered exactly as shown including the spaces, slash and colon.

If this still does not work, then enter these commands, pressing Enter after
each command.

net user benn

net user ben

net user administrator

Post back with the results.

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Ben - 06 Apr 2007 08:32 GMT
Ronnie
UAC is disabled in all acounts - I can check the box to turn it on but when
you return to the page the box is again unchecked - in other words it wont
let me turn it on.

I tried the net user administrator / active:yes again and got the same
results as shown before.

Below are the results of the net user commands:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>net user benn
User name                    Benn
Full Name                    Benn
Comment
User's comment
Country code                 000 (System Default)
Account active               Yes
Account expires              Never

Password last set            19/03/2007 22:37:31
Password expires             30/04/2007 22:37:31
Password changeable          19/03/2007 22:37:31
Password required            No
User may change password     Yes

Workstations allowed         All
Logon script
User profile
Home directory
Last logon                   06/04/2007 08:15:14

Logon hours allowed          All

Local Group Memberships      *Users
Global Group memberships     *None
The command completed successfully.

C:\Windows\system32>net user ben
User name                    Ben
Full Name                    Julie
Comment
User's comment
Country code                 000 (System Default)
Account active               Yes
Account expires              Never

Password last set            13/03/2007 21:32:16
Password expires             Never
Password changeable          13/03/2007 21:32:16
Password required            No
User may change password     Yes

Workstations allowed         All
Logon script
User profile
Home directory
Last logon                   06/04/2007 08:15:02

Logon hours allowed          All

Local Group Memberships      *Users
Global Group memberships     *None
The command completed successfully.

C:\Windows\system32>net user administrator
User name                    Administrator
Full Name
Comment                      Built-in account for administering the
computer/dom
ain
User's comment
Country code                 000 (System Default)
Account active               No
Account expires              Never

Password last set            26/02/2007 20:43:26
Password expires             Never
Password changeable          26/02/2007 20:43:26
Password required            Yes
User may change password     Yes

Workstations allowed         All
Logon script
User profile
Home directory
Last logon                   19/03/2007 19:21:16

Logon hours allowed          All

Local Group Memberships      *Administrators
Global Group memberships     *None
The command completed successfully.

C:\Windows\system32>

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 06 Apr 2007 20:04 GMT
Ben

One more question. At what point was UAC turned off, was this before or
after the upgrade?

This has me stumped because if there are no administrator accounts
available, except the built-in admin account, booting into safe mode should
make the buit-in administrator account available for log on. This is the
built-in safety net for Vista.

The results of the commands you ran shows that this account is indeed on the
system, but not available, this is the built-in admin account. If UAC was
turned on, you should be getting a UAC elevation prompt, but since it's
turned off, and you only have a standard user account to work with,
everything that needs admin privileges will just silently fail. You can
disable UAC with a standard account, but you cannot re-enable it with a
standard account?

Stand by, I'm going to escalate this problem.

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Ben - 07 Apr 2007 14:00 GMT
Hi Ronnie

I disabled UAC after the upgrade when I was trying to get the log in icon
back (blindly trying anything). At that time it also let me change the name
of the administrator (shown on control panel) but now it will not let me
change anything - not even the administrators account picture or anything on
any of the other accounts even the one Im logged into.

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Ben - 09 Apr 2007 17:38 GMT
Thanks for your help anyway Ronnie

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Darrell Gorter[MSFT] - 10 Apr 2007 00:19 GMT
Hello Ronnie,
What about the ASPNET account?
If that is truely an administrator account that would block the
"Administrator" account from showing up in Safe Mode.
If that ASPNET account is an administrator account we may be blocked.  That
account doesn't show as a logon account so it's displayed on the logon
screen.  If it's an administrator account it does however count as a local
admin account for for Safe Mode so the disabled local administrator would
not show.
Ben,
run net user aspnet and report back the output.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 10 Apr 2007 03:36 GMT
Hi Darrell

I have always been under the impression that the ASP NET account was a
special account that could only be used for ASP.NET development work. I
remember someone stating that it was configured as a "fixed" (?) account
with a randomly generated password that could only be read by the ASP.NET
development software?

In XP, after this account was created by installing the Net Framework we
always recommended that it just be deleted if the user did not intend to be
doing any development work.

I hope you're right and that it is an administrator account. This may be
what is causing several users in these groups who are experiencing the same
type of problem when trying to recover from problems caused by not having
access to an admin account.

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Jane C - 10 Apr 2007 04:02 GMT
Ronnie, I've just checked on mine, and the ASP.NET account is listed as a
Standard User account.  Somebody else did report having problems after
making the ASP.NET account an Administrator account, in the belief that he
could use that for Admin duties - not a wise decision considering that the
password is unknown for that account.

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> Hi Darrell
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 10 Apr 2007 04:22 GMT
Hi Jane

This account being created when you install the .net framework has always
been a pita. There is a huge number of messages in the XP newsgroup archives
where people are just asking "where did this account come from, I didn't
create it?

Thanks for this information, I was hoping that it would turn out to be an
admin account. This could have solved a lot of problems.

I am hoping that Darrell will be able to escalate this problem at Microsoft.
There are several other users who are having similar problems. They have all
been tweaking their user accounts, for whatever reasons and are now
effectively locked out of their systems because the built-in admin account
is not showing up in Safe Mode even when they no longer have any other admin
account on the system. This is supposed to be the "safety net" that is built
into Vista. So they only have standard user accounts to work with.

One user even changed his last admin account to a standard user, which
should not even be possible. On every Vista system that I have seen, that
option is always unavailable if you only have one admin account left?

Ain't this fun. <g>

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> Ronnie, I've just checked on mine, and the ASP.NET account is listed as a
> Standard User account.  Somebody else did report having problems after
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Jane C - 10 Apr 2007 06:12 GMT
Hi Ronnie,

From the User Accounts in Control Panel, you can't demote your Admin account
to a Standard User if there are no other Admin acounts (I did a check to see
if it was possible and it's not), but unfortunately, you can via gpedit or
the registry.   And we know how some folk just love to fiddle and tweak in
the registry :-(   At least those with Home Editions can't use gpedit to get
themselves into trouble <g>.

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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 10 Apr 2007 07:44 GMT
Hi Jane

I have been testing this problem on a VPC for some time and just am not able
to re-create what is being reported here. Every time I manage to demote or
delete all admin accounts, I can still boot to safe mode and the disabled
admin account is available for log on?

Check my thread in the private Vista group, maybe we can generate some
interest there.

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Darrell Gorter[MSFT] - 10 Apr 2007 22:51 GMT
Hello Ronnie,
I was looking at a prior post where the asp.net account was alluded to be
changed to an administrator account:

>I bought my computer with Vista Business intalled. I've been using the
>administrator profile (as my profile) up until yesterday when I switched
it
>to a "user". I assigned the ASP.NET profile as administrator and did not
>assign a password. When I restarted my PC, now there is no way for me to
>access the administrator rights since it requires me to input a password.
Is
>there a default password for this, since I did not assign one in th first
>place? Now there is no way for me to change the settings of my PC.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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Jane C - 03 Apr 2007 00:29 GMT
Ben, when you first set up the pc, how did you name the first account, ie
the one that has Administrator rights?  I presume that you set up that
account before creating your 2 Standard User accounts (Ben and Mrs Ben).

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Ben - 03 Apr 2007 18:14 GMT
Jane
The accounts were called Ben (Administrator) and me & her (user accounts). I
did set the administrator account up first. I was running the sytem perfectly
for about a month before I took the decision (in hindsight -stupid)  to
upgrade.

The sad part is I really like Vista but this is starting to confirm to me
all the negative things that people have been saying about it.

> Ben, when you first set up the pc, how did you name the first account, ie
> the one that has Administrator rights?  I presume that you set up that
> account before creating your 2 Standard User accounts (Ben and Mrs Ben).
whibbs@btopenworld.com - 14 Apr 2007 19:16 GMT
You can get this back in any version of Vista. However, caution is the keyword
here and you should not use the built-in administrator account other than on
a temporary basis.

Go to Start and type   cmd

In the programs list, right click on CMD and select Run As Administrator.

In the command prompt window, type the following command.

net user administrator /active:yes

(Note the spaces and colon)

Press Enter.

Log off of your user account and you will see the Administrator account on
the Welcome screen. This account will not have a password associated with
it. The first thing you need to do is go into Control Panel / User Accounts
and create a strong password for this account.
is should work ok

Wayne

> Ive found a technical page on the Microsoft web site that explains my problem
> (see link below) but it doesnt tell me how to put it right simply so someone
> with very little computer knowledge can do it - any help gratefully recieved.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926183/en-us
Ben - 18 Apr 2007 22:00 GMT
Thanks Wayne

I did as you sugested but I just get the message 'Access denied'

I'm running out of patience now

> You can get this back in any version of Vista. However, caution is the keyword
> here and you should not use the built-in administrator account other than on
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newsgroups.comcast.net - 19 Apr 2007 06:07 GMT
Is there a way to reverse the "net user administrator /active:yes" command
to hide the administrator again?

> Thanks Wayne
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 19 Apr 2007 17:54 GMT
This is simple, just change the "yes" to "no" in the command.

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> Is there a way to reverse the "net user administrator /active:yes" command
> to hide the administrator again?
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Ben - 19 Apr 2007 19:38 GMT
Whatever I do I just get 'access denied'

Ronnie, do you know if there's anyway I can reinstall Vista in these
circumstances. I would need to use the anytime disc but I cant just reformat
my hard drive as the licence for the anytime disc is in the digital locker
and to get varification for that I need to be online. I thought I could just
put the disc in and get it to do a clean install but as Im not the
administrator, it wont let me - got any ideas? - bearing in mind the machine
came pre-loaded with Vista basic so I dont have the operating system on disc.

> This is simple, just change the "yes" to "no" in the command.
>
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 20 Apr 2007 23:22 GMT
I haven't had any experience with the anytime upgrade disk or with the
digital locker. Did you get a product key when you bought the anytime
upgrade? If so, you should be able to perform a clean install to a formatted
drive using the procedure outlined here:

Use Vista's 'upgrade' version to clean-install
http://www.windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1

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> Whatever I do I just get 'access denied'
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Jerry - 20 Apr 2007 00:40 GMT
Ronnie,

"no" doesn't work.

Thanks anyway
> This is simple, just change the "yes" to "no" in the command.
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Ronnie Vernon MVP - 20 Apr 2007 23:07 GMT
Jerry

I tested this extensively and it works everytime? You might want to try a
reboot immediately after you run the command. Make sure that you have
another account in the administrators group before you do this, otherwise
you could lock yourself out of the system.

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Windows Shell/User

> Ronnie,
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Baz - 30 Apr 2007 00:08 GMT
Well I ahve just run this and did NOT get  an Admin account set up???? and
although I ahve set users to everyone/Administrator and groups link to admin
too, I still have not enough access rights???????

Barry

> Jerry
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