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JB - 17 Aug 2007 04:23 GMT
When playing reg. or spider solitaire, the screen goes black, then I get a
message,
"Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
Sarah - 17 Aug 2007 13:46 GMT
Hi JB,

My husband and I spent 29 days of HE-L getting the nvlddmkm message and
watching the games crash. Unfortunately, we installed Vista and NVidia at the
same time. After all the frustration of trying to download updates, talking
to thousands who had this problem, this is what we found and how we fixed our
computer:

1.  NVidia is not compatible with Vista at this time. They are working on
drivers. The more updates Windows installed, the worse the problem got. We
changed our Windows Update settings so that we can pick and chose them,
rather than have all the new ones installed. It only further confuses the
problem.
2.  In order to run games, movies, etc. with Vista you MUST have at least
1-2 gb of RAM for anything to run and not stall out on you... no black
screens.

It's worth the money to get as much RAM as you can. We were told that unless
you have the RAM, the programs constantly "borrow" from each other when
things are running. It even makes our screens look nicer. If you're running
NVidia, take it back to the store and get VisionTek X1550. It's awesome!! If
the store gives you problems, tell them you KNOW NVidia won't work with Vista.

Hope this helps,
Sarah

> When playing reg. or spider solitaire, the screen goes black, then I get a
> message,
> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
Dave - 17 Aug 2007 14:22 GMT
Which nVidia card did you have?
I have a GeForce 7800 GTX, which works fine.

> Hi JB,
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
>> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
VRG Scotty© - 17 Aug 2007 15:37 GMT
> Hi JB,
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> the store gives you problems, tell them you KNOW NVidia won't work with
> Vista.

Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
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Andy [YaYa] - 17 Aug 2007 17:05 GMT
>> Hi JB,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?

I DID, nVidia SUX! (Joking...)

It's not a load of crap nVidia has some issues, but usually on the SLI
front, (and most of that stuff is fixed now) but not with SOLITARE. nVidia
cards and chipsets are on a "vast" majority of PCs (I don't know exact
numbers, that's why I said "vast".) If nVidia was really having problems
we'd hear about it. Not to mention I wouldn't be typing this to you since
all my Vista boxes use nVidia cards.

Whoever told you nVidia cards don't work with Vista probably works for/gets
paid by ATi or AMD. Don't get me wrong, ATi cards are good, the x1550 is
prety cheapo, but for Solitare it should work fine.

As for the message, if you spent "months" working on this problem what
suggestions did you receive? I mean if you did the driver troubleshooting,
did you ever replace the card? Probably was simply a defective card.
Replacing the card with a new one would of resolved the problem.

Sorry you had problems, but whoever is your IT guy, fire him/her and hire
someone else. He/She's only making you look like an a.s.

Also, Vista runs "ok" with 512 Ram. If you can't get Solitare to run in
Vista it's not the ram. Yes, programs borrow ram, it's called multitasking.
Yes, more ram means less waiting and less swapping from RAM to the HD. The
black screen usually occurs when Vista tries to elevate a program to admin
level. Dunno if that'll ever be fixed.

Argh, JB don't listen to Sarah, please.
Crazy Noddy - 18 Aug 2007 16:58 GMT
> As for the message, if you spent "months" working on this problem what
> suggestions did you receive?

I think Sarah is a troll.
Andy [YaYa] - 20 Aug 2007 17:12 GMT
>> As for the message, if you spent "months" working on this problem what
>> suggestions did you receive?
>
> I think Sarah is a troll.

So am I, kindda, I like to encourage them because I need to laugh constantly
or I'll explode. Thank god for Newsgroups. Always someone to make me
chuckle. :)
Paul Smith - 17 Aug 2007 18:38 GMT
> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?

Work perfectly?  Even now, 6 months after launch there is 10 pages of "known
issues" on nVidia's release notes.

A few months ago nVidia's drivers were nothing less than a disaster.

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Andy [YaYa] - 17 Aug 2007 19:02 GMT
>> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
>> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> A few months ago nVidia's drivers were nothing less than a disaster.

Please, coming from a developer point of view, 10 pages of known issues for
something like a video driver is nothing. At least nVidia fixes their
issues. I'll give ATi props for adhearing to MS standards more closely, and
nVidia props for Linux support. Each have their strengths and weaknesses,
but even with the occasional problems, nVidia cards work. so do ATi cards.
Dave Cox - 17 Aug 2007 19:50 GMT
>> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
>> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A few months ago nVidia's drivers were nothing less than a
> disaster.

Yea  I wouldn't go as far as saying Nvidia works perfectly. But I must
admit  with the latest drivers  I haven't had the video drivers stopped
working issue.

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Dave - 17 Aug 2007 20:08 GMT
Same here...
I sometimes get a BSOD after installing the latest Nvidia driver, but then
it works fine after that....
Quite acceptable.

>>> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
>>> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> admit  with the latest drivers  I haven't had the video drivers stopped
> working issue.
VRG Scotty© - 17 Aug 2007 21:56 GMT
>> Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
>> perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> A few months ago nVidia's drivers were nothing less than a disaster.

Funny that cos I've had Nvidia mobos and graphics cards since they were
available with no probs...also had them all the time I've been using
Vista(since the beta release) and have had no problems driver wise at all,
and I test beta drivers as well as full release.
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Crazy Noddy - 18 Aug 2007 17:07 GMT
> Funny that cos I've had Nvidia mobos and graphics cards since they were
> available with no probs...also had them all the time I've been using
> Vista(since the beta release) and have had no problems driver wise at all,
> and I test beta drivers as well as full release.

Have you tested them with a CRT? I've had the Vista Nvidia drivers send my
CRT timings out causing screen mayhem and a hard reboot. The latest ones
that Microsoft are providing work with my CRT fine though but they have no
OPenGL driver. Which is OK as I still have XP for any OpenGL games I have.
VRG Scotty© - 18 Aug 2007 18:44 GMT
>> Funny that cos I've had Nvidia mobos and graphics cards since they were
>> available with no probs...also had them all the time I've been using
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> that Microsoft are providing work with my CRT fine though but they have no
> OPenGL driver. Which is OK as I still have XP for any OpenGL games I have.

Good point...no I haven't
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Crazy Noddy - 18 Aug 2007 17:04 GMT
> Work perfectly?  Even now, 6 months after launch there is 10 pages of
> "known issues" on nVidia's release notes.
>
> A few months ago nVidia's drivers were nothing less than a disaster.

Yes, there are still some issues but what is the alternative? ATI drivers
are no better. For a gamer that is our only two choices for graphics cards.
Nvidia or ATI. And Nvidia's latest video cards are better than ATI's so most
people are using Nvidia. It's up to Microsoft to help Nvidia make sure they
get their drivers up to a stable state because it is due to the changes in
the Vista driver model as to why Nvidia are having issues. The latest XP
Nvidia drivers are near perfect so it is obvious the issue is Vista and not
so much Nvidia. Microsoft's Vista has caused big head-ache driver issues for
everyone. We should all be paid to beta test Vista and not have to pay for
it.
Paul Smith - 18 Aug 2007 18:43 GMT
> Yes, there are still some issues but what is the alternative? ATI drivers
> are no better. For a gamer that is our only two choices for graphics
> cards. Nvidia or ATI.

ATI's drivers were solid months prior to launch.

> And Nvidia's latest video cards are better than ATI's so most people are
> using Nvidia.

Yes their cards are better, if you're willing to spend more money, from a
price - performance standpoint they're pretty much equal.

Actually most people use ATI, I think nVidia come in 3rd after Intel.

> It's up to Microsoft to help Nvidia make sure they get their drivers up to
> a stable state because it is due to the changes in the Vista driver model
> as to why Nvidia are having issues.

nVidia were at all the WinHECs, just like ATI.

> Microsoft's Vista has caused big head-ache driver issues for everyone.

Yes because Microsoft dropped Windows Vista on everybody 3 weeks prior to
launch, and nobody had heard about it before then.

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Crazy Noddy - 18 Aug 2007 16:56 GMT
> 1.  NVidia is not compatible with Vista at this time. They are working on
> drivers. The more updates Windows installed, the worse the problem got.

Gee, I'm using a Nvidia 7900GT with the latest Nvidia drivers that Microsoft
provide on their update site and Solitaire runs fine for me. Actually, I
have no issues with any games installed on Vista with these drivers.
Paul Smith - 17 Aug 2007 14:24 GMT
> When playing reg. or spider solitaire, the screen goes black, then I get a
> message,
> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?

Hello JB.

This is probably caused by a bug in the nVidia graphics drivers.  It is
certainly disappointing that HP choose to sell a product with such a blatant
flaw.

However I suspect the drivers on your machine are at least a couple of
months behind the latest release.  So I'd recommend heading over to:

http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

And downloading the latest graphics drivers, if you're not sure what model
card you have (GeForce 8 series for example) if you follow the directions on
this webpage:

http://www.windowsresource.net/vista/guides/hardware.php

There's a walkthrough on how to get up all your computers hardware details.

You're probably running Windows Vista 32-bit so select that in the final box
and download the driver.  Once its downloaded try installing it and seeing
if that clears the problem up.

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PanthernSwe - 19 Aug 2007 17:06 GMT
I have tested both ATI and Nvidia and they have both the same problem and I
have that problem that you have right now, AND the problem is the VISTA not
the Nvidia or ATI, the problem is that nvlddmkm.sys is old in the VISTA(if
your use Nvidia graficcard then it´s nvlddmkm.sys that will install when you
install VISTA and it´s from 2006 somthing)that need to replace with the new
one.... and here comes problem number two.... I have tested to delete and
even replace the old nvlddmkm.sys with the new one but it seems that even if
I´m log in as admin i dont have authority not even when i´m in safemode and
disconnected the UAC............
SO i hope that Microsoft do something that fix that problem and fast,
because you go crazy everytime it happens, i can have it every hour,
everytime i play a game or when i watch a movie....
SO VISTA = NO FUN.......

> When playing reg. or spider solitaire, the screen goes black, then I get a
> message,
> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
DaveM - 20 Aug 2007 02:22 GMT
That can't possibly be true. I have documented scientific proof gathered
from around the world that vVidia or Microsoft do not have a problem with
combining their hardware and software. Just a minute I think I put that
proof somewhere........  oh here it is:

   "Jeeeeeez  what a total load of crap..Vista and Nvidia work
   perfectly...always have,  who gave you this information?
   --
   VRG Scotty©"

Now you have proof that anyone who THINKS they might have a problem - well
they were mistaken.

>I have tested both ATI and Nvidia and they have both the same problem and I
> have that problem that you have right now, AND the problem is the VISTA
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
>> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
VRG Scotty© - 20 Aug 2007 12:44 GMT
> That can't possibly be true. I have documented scientific proof gathered
> from around the world that vVidia or Microsoft do not have a problem with
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Now you have proof that anyone who THINKS they might have a problem - well
> they were mistaken.

That coming from a troll that believes this little gem....

'If you're running NVidia, take it back to the store and get VisionTek
X1550. It's awesome!! If the store gives you problems, tell them you KNOW
NVidia won't work with Vista'

I stand by my statement because I have had no problems with both Vista and
Nvidia and neither have countless others.

Now off you pop troll the grown ups are chatting
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Mark - 20 Aug 2007 20:16 GMT
After reading http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
I find it amazing the driver mfgs can even make a driver that will function
in Vista!

Mark

>> That can't possibly be true. I have documented scientific proof gathered
>> from around the world that vVidia or Microsoft do not have a problem with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>    --
>>    VRG Scotty©"
Paul Smith - 20 Aug 2007 22:46 GMT
> After reading http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
> I find it amazing the driver mfgs can even make a driver that will
> function in Vista!

You need to ask the question if anything in that article (I'm not going to
call it a paper) is true.  The answer is no.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/2006/12/31/windows_vista_drm_nonsense

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DaveM - 20 Aug 2007 23:24 GMT
I didn't comment on on the on the poster in any way - I only pointed out
that the answer was a little harsh. For the record I will also add that the
answer was unhelpful, meaningless and borderline stupid.

>> That can't possibly be true. I have documented scientific proof gathered
>> from around the world that vVidia or Microsoft do not have a problem with
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Now off you pop troll the grown ups are chatting
VRG Scotty© - 21 Aug 2007 12:51 GMT
>I didn't comment on on the on the poster in any way - I only pointed out
>that the answer was a little harsh. For the record I will also add that the
>answer was unhelpful, meaningless and borderline stupid.

Good for you
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ELGWretched - 27 Sep 2007 00:30 GMT
Ok since none of the other responders EVEN REMOTELY addressed you question, I
will attempt to answer with what I know.  I have vista Ultimate x64.  I began
having the same error when playing BF2142.  I was losing my mind trying to
figure out what was causing it, and pretty much went through every LAME
"sollution" found on the web.  It has been about 5 mos, and five nvidia
driver versions later, and guess what...I still get it from time to time.  I
am pretty sure that Microsoft (who promised a gaming OS) could care less, I
know for sure that Nvidia could care less, and I am absolutely convinced that
there is not ONE complete sollution for this problem.  

What has helped my system, however, is to turn down my RAM settings to cool
my chipset.  I am currently running an E6420 core 2 duo on an Asus P5N32-E
Sli with 4 GB of DDr2-800 RAM, and an 8800 GT ACS3.  The other thing that has
become a catch 22 is that I cannot run any 3rd party vendor software like
Rivatuner 2.4 because of the driver signing issue with vista.  Therefore, I
can not increase my fan speeds to help cool my chipset which is overheating
because I can't cool it with Rivatuner.  VISCIOUS CYCLE brought on by
MICROSOFT controlling everything we do on OUR systems, and 3rd party vendors
not getting their software signed to run on microsoft vista OS'es.  

Basically people, we are getting screwed by microsoft and all the other
software manufacturers.  I have a creative SB audigy2 ZS gamer that STILL
does not have FULL drivers for Vista x64.  iTunes WILL NOT work with Vista
x64 and I just bought an iPhone.  In order to use an iPhone, you have to use
iTunes.  SEE MY FRUSTRATIONS????!!!!!!  I have sent requested to Microsoft,
Creative, Nvidia, Asus, and Intel.  Noone, after all this time since Vista
released, has done anything to correct these issues.  

Basically, everyone that bought Vista to game on is going to have major
problems.  Everyone that bought Vista x64 is going to have MASSIVE MAJOR
PROBLEMS!  Especially until SP1 and SP2 are released.  ERRRRRR!!!!!  

BG if you are listening, which I highly doubt, WHY DON'T YOU DO WHAT YOUR
COMPANY PROMISED!  You have billions, most of us barely survive and we spend
a ton of money on your products that are VERY expensive.  The least you can
do is MAKE THEM WORK.  

> When playing reg. or spider solitaire, the screen goes black, then I get a
> message,
> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
Andy [YaYa] - 27 Sep 2007 16:29 GMT
http://whambulance1.ytmnd.com/

Dude, the original poster has an HP computer, do you think they have any
idea what you're talking about? I mean they might, but I think you lost them
when you said BF2142 and "DDr2-800 RAM"

Run XP or linux, give your heart a break or you're gonna die from stress.

Vista 64, press F8 during boot up, turn off Driver Signing. That should help
with your catch 22.

iPhone, take it back, if it doesn't work, why keep it? Buy an XBox 360. ;)

FYI, I don't think "BG" is listening to you. I know if I were him I
wouldn't, because if I was BG, and I was listening to you, I'd quit my job,
oh wait BG did quit his job. MAYBE HE'S LISTENING! Quick say something.

http://whambulance1.ytmnd.com/

Not that.

Turn off your computer, go outside and get some air buddy. Better yet, go
back to ms.public.windows.vista.general with the rest of the trolls.

-A

> Ok since none of the other responders EVEN REMOTELY addressed you
> question, I
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
>> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
ELGWretched - 27 Sep 2007 17:18 GMT
I do disable the driver signing, but that in itself creates other issues.  
And why should I run xp or linux.  Linux sux for gaming!  I have built
systems and gamed for over ten years now.  Microsoft has the SP1 complete,
they need to release it.  I am definately NOT blaming this all on Microsoft,
I think third party vendors are not doing their job as well.  Whether or not
the guy understands, I gave him an accurate portait of what is probably
occurring.  Makes no difference if he bought a proprietary system or built it
himself, the issues are the same.  

> http://whambulance1.ytmnd.com/
>
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> >> "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. Display driver
> >> nvlddmkm". It is a new HP computer running Vista. Any suggestions?
Andy [YaYa] - 27 Sep 2007 17:59 GMT
>I do disable the driver signing, but that in itself creates other issues.
> And why should I run xp or linux.  Linux sux for gaming!  I have built
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> it
> himself, the issues are the same.

Get on MSDN and download the beta of SP1.
Andy [YaYa] - 27 Sep 2007 16:36 GMT
> Ok since none of the other responders EVEN REMOTELY addressed you
> question, I
> will attempt to answer with what I know.  I have vista Ultimate x64.  I
> began

Oh lord, I completely overlooked this. What exactly did you answer in that
rant of yours? Not once did I notice any bullet points or steps to "address
you question".

You take 20 minutes to type up this beautiful letter for "BG" and you end up
saying nothing.

Read your message BEFORE you hit send.
ELGWretched - 27 Sep 2007 17:25 GMT
By the way Andy, you might be able to accept mediocre products, but I don't.  
When I pay for stuff that has been released as a final product, I expect it
to work as advertised.  As far as the x-box...HAVE ONE!  As far as BG is
concerned...DUH!  I know he isn't listening, but then again thats the WHOLE
POINT.  NOONE IS!  Gamers are the ones that shell out the most money for the
latest and greatest.  NOT HP business users.  They are content with 5 year
old POS'es.  If you advertise a gaming platform, THEN MAKE IT A GAMING
PLATFORM!  

> > Ok since none of the other responders EVEN REMOTELY addressed you
> > question, I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Read your message BEFORE you hit send.
Andy [YaYa] - 27 Sep 2007 18:25 GMT
> By the way Andy, you might be able to accept mediocre products, but I
> don't.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> old POS'es.  If you advertise a gaming platform, THEN MAKE IT A GAMING
> PLATFORM!

Heh, I got my Vista for $20, and my system runs great. Sorry you're having
so many problems. As a gamer I never shell out more than I have too. As a
gamer, I'm perfectly content with 5 year old POS, if the game works on it. I
spent more money on my XBox 360 the other day than I have on my PC in the
last 4 years.

Gamers do NOT shell out the most money for PCs, some of the businesses I
work for just shelled out $2400 a pop for new Sony Viao notebooks (you know
those ones with the real thin screens?), and paid me a decent chunk of
change to set them up for them. IMO the computers are crap, they run slow as
sin dispite being the latest centrino duos, but they got portability down
pat. So don't tell me Gamers are the only ones that shell out lots of money
for the latest and greatest. Businesses that budget $5000 per computer, talk
about money... I won't even go into how much governement agencies spend on
this stuff.

I remember hearing like 5 years ago that Microsoft made over $23k per SECOND
on licensing fees alone (Pieces of paper that say you can run this program
on more than 1 computer). Assuming that number has gone up it's probably
more like $40k/second now. You think gamers spend that kind of money? Vista
has put in some neat things that (once smoothed out) could make Vista the
best gaming platform for the PC ever, and the Games for Windows branding has
taken great strides to improve labeling and system standardization for
games, but that's probably like 10% of the focus on Vista. I don't know what
the other 90% goes too, honestly there are some neat new things in Vista,
but nothing I am terribly impressed with.

I cut out a bunch of this message, I lost my train of thought somewhere
around here. If you want a good gaming OS, get an XBox 360 or a Wii.
(Wii60!)

-A.
 
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