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SecuROM = rootkit?
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Tessiero - 08 Oct 2007 18:26 GMT Installed the new Sims2 Bon Voyage game. Had problems with Nero software, USB Sandisk's not being read.............found the game came with SecuROM (previously used SafeDisk, dunno why they changed) and now getting conficting information regarding SecuROM. IS it in fact, a rootkit? Is it safe to leave on the computer? I uninstalled all the Sims games that included it but now finding registry keys under HKEY_USERS in a folder labeled SecuROM with a key that says "DO NOT DELETE OR ALTER KEYS" *gasp* Why would this still be on my computer if I uninstalled that game? I have no other games on this computer at all. Please help. Thanks, Tess
Pikey Joe - 09 Oct 2007 15:34 GMT > Installed the new Sims2 Bon Voyage game. Had problems with Nero software, > USB [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > information regarding SecuROM. > IS it in fact, a rootkit? Is it safe to leave on the computer? No, it's not really a rootkit, and I have seen no convincing evidence that it does any harm to your computer (it's not Starforce).
It is just another piece of third party DRM software that has been installed on your computer - probably without your knowledge or your consent, and (depending on which country you live in) possibly illegally.
But even so, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Tessiero - 09 Oct 2007 15:49 GMT Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO PLAY A LEGALLY PURCHASED GAME!!!! I bought this game!!! I paid for it!!! and it keeps telling me my CD version is not "the correct version" I'm beside mysef......then to find out that SecuROM can't be removed? (there are root keys inside my HKEY_USERS registry files that can't be removed) This is a brand new Dell w/Vista. I'm freaking out. I need to know if this is harmful in anyway to Vista. Thanks for your help, Tess
> > Installed the new Sims2 Bon Voyage game. Had problems with Nero software, > > USB [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But even so, I wouldn't worry about it. Pikey Joe - 09 Oct 2007 16:22 GMT > Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software > programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for your help, > Tess As I understand it, SecuROM won't run any software that it's supposed to be protecting if there is anything else running which it's designers thought *may* be used for hacking. It also doesn't allow anything to run which might allow you to see what it's doing (Process Explorer being the the most often quoted example). Maybe try rebooting your machine and closing any services associated with Nero etc? Failing that I suggest the tech support site for The Sims.
SecuROM will provide an uninstall tool if you demand one loudly enough, but this still won't remove the dodgy registry keys. I haven't used it because I still play the game occasionally (and can't be bothered to search for a crack).
My Vista system got it's SecuROM infection from F.E.A.R., but other than managing to piss me off enormously by it's presence, it doesn't seem to have done any harm. It's a bit of a pain to have to reboot if I've had Process Explorer running though.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending SecuROM - in fact I think anyone who decides to use this kind of 'rootkit-like' software on a legitimate buyer's PC should be smashed repeatedly in the face with a brick.
Sorry I can't be more help.
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Tessiero - 09 Oct 2007 17:29 GMT You've been an enourmous help! I've tried with EA games but they're locking threads, banning people and basically trying to sweep the whole thing under the rug. I would never allow SONY to have access to my computer (not after the whole FTC settlement re/Sony BMG where they installed stuff without consent or knowledge) You'd think they'd learn. Sounds like this might be on alot of games..........I hate Sony. (BMG, DACD whatever) All of 'em. I did find a removal method online so it's all gone now. *keeping fingers crossed that my Vista machine is okay* Thanks, Tess
> > Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software > > programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Sorry I can't be more help. Andy [YaYa] - 09 Oct 2007 20:13 GMT > You've been an enourmous help! I've tried with EA games but they're > locking [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> Sorry I can't be more help. I should add in hind-sight, I think some game makers are finally starting to wise up. Oblivion never came with CD protection, though you had to keep the CD inserted to play (even though it never reads off the CD during play), so game developers are wising up, the problem is big publishers are publically held companies and copy protection is, and has always been one way to prove to the money holders that they are trying to combat a real problem.
Bittorrent isn't helping, but what can you do. Buy the good games, return the ones that piss you off.
I don't think your Vista will be messed up, Your dell comes with a restore CD anyways, if your system is really messed up, backup your files to a thumb drive and do a restore.
-A.
Andy [YaYa] - 09 Oct 2007 20:08 GMT > Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software > programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for your help, > Tess No it's not. It's just a more advanced form of Safedisc. I called my buddy at EA who works in compliance and basically just echoed what you hear here every day, Vista just has some issues, that you can smooth out, but there's nothing bad about SecuRom. Game companies have started using it more because the licensing fee is cheaper, the program has more security options, and for the most part it's more compatible with more hardware.
Problem is not with you paying for a game, it's the other 3 guys who don't pay for the game that EA is more worried about.
Also yelling (even in silent caps) usually won't get the problem resolved. I find calm fustration to be the best course of action. EA has a support line that's usually open mon/fri during normal business hours, you can usually call and get free support for your game.
Securom doesn't install anything into your computer, it's all contained within the game executables, all those registry keys are not going to destroy your computer. I suspect whatever problems you are having is due to some other application or a problem with Vista itself.
I'm sure this isn't helping or making you any happier, so I'll just reitterate, contact EA support, they are nice people, and are there to help you. Don't bother emailing, just call them. If you can't find the support number at http://support.ea.com try the back of your game manual, they usually put phone numbers to support there.
Good luck, A.
Tessiero - 09 Oct 2007 20:43 GMT No worries, as I posted above.....I already removed it via another forum. And didn't get any anwers from SecuROM (EA seems to be completely lost, like they aren't even aware of what SecuROM is - way over their heads dealing with the issue) Plus I've already filed a complaint with the FTC about Sony DACD installing this without my consent or knowledge. (dunno what good that will do) So far, computer seems to be working okay again. CD/DVD drives are fine, everything has settled back to the way it was before. Thanks! Di
> > Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software > > programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Good luck, > A. Sandyarcana - 27 Nov 2007 10:52 GMT  Signature hey guys bill gates is only human (MAYBE!!!!!)
> No worries, as I posted above.....I already removed it via another forum. And > didn't get any anwers from SecuROM (EA seems to be completely lost, like they [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > A. > > Hi. My husband bought me a new system 3 weeks ago. dual core pentium 1.8gh chip with a nvidia 8800gtx graphics card and 8gs of ram. I am a avid sims2 player with all expansions I bought and installed bon voyage, cool it worked great for about 10 mins then bsod constantly for the next 3 hours I uninstalled bonvoyage but the problem persisted. then I found i could even look at pics of my own family or home movies because of securom. It gets worse. the next time I booooted up vista it hung like a corpse wouldnt even boot up. so i tried to do a system restore and lo and behold my whole system fell over. we took it back to where we bought it to be told that securom had killed the motherboard and blew the processor nice eh. At the moment I have been banned from the EA website because I am urging everyone to boycot ea games "if we don't buy them then they can@t sell them"
I am very hurt about this matter, some of us work hard to save for our systems. Sony and EA are disgusting and immoral not that they got any morals in the first place. So please guys help get rid of securom boyvot and complain like hell they will listen one day (MAYBE)
Sandyarcana - 27 Nov 2007 10:57 GMT I have one thing to say to you tessiero. How much you getting paid for licking Ea backside then
 Signature hey guys bill gates is only human (MAYBE!!!!!)
> No worries, as I posted above.....I already removed it via another forum. And > didn't get any anwers from SecuROM (EA seems to be completely lost, like they [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Good luck, > > A. Andy [YaYa] - 29 Nov 2007 21:19 GMT They used to pay me 60k/yr, now I do it for nothing.
:) I have support contacts at EA and the SecuROM guys, if you have questions I can pass them along. Might get a more "loving" answer.
-A.
>I have one thing to say to you tessiero. How much you getting paid for > licking Ea backside then [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >> > Good luck, >> > A. Sandyarcana - 27 Nov 2007 11:03 GMT listen people securom WILL kill your system if you beleive all the rubbish about it not being harmful then poor poor sad you it will kill vista it CANNOT be removed its evil and ILLEGAL. if this offends well tough titty, I'm past being nice. some of you out there may have a few spare grand every month or so to go buy new systems well bully for you some of us havent
SAY NO TO EA SAY NO TO SECUROM
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> > Why is it behaving like a rootkit? Disabling drives, killing software > > programs that are legit and most unbelievable to me, NOT ALLOWING ME TO [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Good luck, > A. Andy [YaYa] - 29 Nov 2007 21:20 GMT Aww, someone piss in your Corn Flakes this morning?
-a.
> listen people securom WILL kill your system if you beleive all the rubbish > about it not being harmful then poor poor sad you it will kill vista it [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> Good luck, >> A.
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