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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / Games / February 2007ATI 7.2 drivers are released
Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! 32bit http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista32/common-vista32.html 64bit http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista64/common-vista64.html Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people yipeeeee > Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people >yipeeeee > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Quick question. With Xp installing newer Ati drivers one could use Drive Cleaner to cleanup old drivers. Is this still required with Vista? I'm going to say no, since the Vista drivers offer you an Upgrade function. I believe that unless you're just having an odd problem, then you should be fine with the upgrading of the drivers instead of the un-install, re-install approach. >>yipeeeee >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Drive Cleaner to cleanup old drivers. Is this still required with > Vista? > Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Still no FireGL driver updates... ss. So is it possible to install the driver without the Catalyst Control Center stuff? Thank you. > Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Yeah thankfully  SignatureByron Hinson ActiveWin Windows Site: http://www.activewin.com Photos: http://www.byronhinson.com > So is it possible to install the driver without the Catalyst Control > Center stuff? Thank you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Thank you , Byron. If one wants to get the driver only is that a seperate download, which I cannot find or is that option presented during installation of the Catalyst package. Thank you > Yeah thankfully > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>> >>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people During the install you get to choose. SignatureByron Hinson ActiveWin Windows Site: http://www.activewin.com Photos: http://www.byronhinson.com > Thank you , Byron. If one wants to get the driver only is that a seperate > download, which I cannot find or is that option presented during [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>> >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Choose Custom install. Then you can uncheck the CCC. SignatureJane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-) > Thank you , Byron. If one wants to get the driver only is that a seperate > download, which I cannot find or is that option presented during [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>> >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Thank you very much for your help, Jane and Byron. > Choose Custom install. Then you can uncheck the CCC. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or Doom 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience). Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom? Can i do anything to improve this? PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista 32-bit) Thanks > Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD system Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements in OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers. Doom 3 with Ultra high settings Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2 Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2 Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2. If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64 Fear with Max settings, no softshadows Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2 Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2 Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2 Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra, the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2. Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High. So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out. > Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or > Doom [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Hehe, i dont have a doubt that 7.2 is realy worst than 7.1 in terms of gaming, i dont understand whats is going on there. Dont they have a bounch of gamers testing these drivers before they release it? Well, you actually have good benchmarks, not like XP of course, but still playable. I can't even play Quake4 or Doom even in Low Quality 800*600, and XP i finished the games in high quality 1280*1024... this is not good, i hope that they can resolve this issues fast, because not all of us can pay a ultra-computer just to play in Vista. :\ You probably have a ultra-game-computer for those results :D I'm going to stick in Vista for the moment, because i can still play CS for now. And Playstation 3 is almost out here in Portugal (March 23) :-P Is there any advantege on having the ATI Catalyst Control Panel installed? > Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD system > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > >> > >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo? ChrisC > Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD > system [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>> >>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I would say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy P4 and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different product to say :) > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo? > ChrisC [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>>> >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard, another processor and memory... ohh about 700€, thats nice :'( > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I would > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy P4 [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >>>> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-a.s Video Card, and thats is just about 600€ more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\ > I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard, > another processor and memory... ohh about 700€, thats nice :'( [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > >>>> > > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850 card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system and here's what I saw with Doom3 Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87. Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows on, the score was 52. What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3. Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd system, when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266. You have to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400. Originally I ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory speeds are wrong, it possible that's your big problem. I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia 6600, with 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you system is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong. One thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off all the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again. > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-a.s Video Card, and thats is just about 600? > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\ [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia >> > >>>> people Dale, I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right? I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i havent try Asus AI Overclocking yet. Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores? Thanks again. > Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's > system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850 [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia > >> > >>>> people When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is running at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On ASUS, there should be an option called Advance settings. A easy way to figure out if RAM speed is the problem, is to remove two of the sticks, the system should boot under the normal DDR400 mode. Overclocking will not fix your problem, in fact you may cause your system to hang. Not that Im against overclocking, I've just had more trouble overclocking with 4 sticks of memory than 2 sticks, which is why I traded in my 4 sticks and bought 2x1GB sticks. To run the doom3 benchmark, you start the game. Hit Ctrl + ~ this should drop down your console window and you would type in timedemo demo1 1 You can bind this command to a key so that you can skip the a few steps, from the console you would type bind F5 timedemo demo1 1 from that point on, anytime you press the F5 key the demo benchmark will start. That will run the basic Doom3 benchmark and give you a score. > Dale, > I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right? [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia >> >> > >>>> people Well, my system boot dosent show my memory detail nor speed. I tryed to check in BIOS but i can't find the memory speed :\ I used a aplication called CPU-Z (you probably know) that shows us the current cpu speed, and memory speed, etc etc... and it says in memory: size: 2048 mb frequency: 159.9 mhz And Doom3 at medium quality at 1024*768 gave me the excelent result of: 5.8 FPS Yes 5(dot)8, not 58!!! This is bad right? :'( But in XP i had excelent results in high quality, i played the game very well there. What can i do? pleaseeeeee helpppp :) > When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is running > at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On ASUS, [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia > >> >> > >>>> people Whoa 5.8, that's just crazy. you've got something funky going on. Here is my report for verison 1.39 of CPU-Z http://images1.filecloud.com/373464/mem_speed.jpg Notice my memory is reporting 225, that's because it is overclocked from the standard 200. 200 is the speed for DDR400 aka PC3200 Your memory is reporting 159.9 or basically 160, which x2 would basically be 320 which is close enough to 333, to tell me your memory speed is slow. Which is odd, traditionally Intel chipsets don't act as bad as AMD Also, look and make sure you memory is saying DUAL in teh channels,it almost sounds like you're running in single channel mode. Odd that this wasn't a problem under Vista, or did oyu just recently add the other GB of ram ? You might still have some other problem going on. Did oyu install your chipset drivers ? if you run DXDIAG and look at display, everything should say enabled. if not, you're probably missing somechipset drivers or something http://images1.filecloud.com/373466/dxdiag.jpg Not sure what else to tell you, maybe you just have a bad install of Vista. > Well, my system boot dosent show my memory detail nor speed. I tryed to > check [quoted text clipped - 205 lines] >> >> >> > >>>> nVidia >> >> >> > >>>> people Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again. Here is my DirectX Display: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2861/directxdisplaypd5.jpg Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista... I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I just turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the follow: http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5397/cpuzmemoryafterpd6.jpg &CPU http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4439/cpuzcpuafteron4.jpg But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me FPS = 7.8 :'( One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me a "windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave me before i did this changes. What do you think Dale? > Whoa 5.8, that's just crazy. you've got something funky going on. > [quoted text clipped - 229 lines] > >> >> >> > >>>> nVidia > >> >> >> > >>>> people I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using? >Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again. >Here is my DirectX Display: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >What do you think Dale? I'm using ASUS P4P800, that has the Ai overclocking feature. > I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > >What do you think Dale? If you look at you memory screen it says your memory is running in Single channel versus Dual channel.That will be a performance hit, though I wouldn't think it would be a massive one. I'd say, take out the extra 2 sticks of memory and then run the Doom3 benchmarks again, also check the CPU-Z to make sure channels says Dual. > I'm using ASUS P4P800, that has the Ai overclocking feature. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > >> >What do you think Dale? yeah, i notice the single channel :\ Ok, i've take out 2 of the sticks and let it be 1024mb. CPU-Z still tells me Single Channel and frequency of 199mhz. I ran Doom3 and had 7 FPS :( How do i put it in Dual Channel? And do you think that the memory is the cause of the very low FPS at Doom3? I'm getting very sad and frustrated :( > If you look at you memory screen it says your memory is running in Single > channel versus Dual channel.That will be a performance hit, though I [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >> > > >> >What do you think Dale? I think running in Single channel at the very most should only cost you like half your performance but that's only memory speed, but that shouldn't mean 7fps, you should still get in the neighborhood for 50fps with your config. I don't know of a way to make a system run in Dual Channel. I looked on the ASUS site and though I don't know which flavor of the P4P800 you have, they all are listed as being Dual Channel boards http://usa.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=p4p800 I'll ask the obvious question, on the older boards you know you put the memory in banks 1 &3 and not banks 1&2 right ? On the Asus boards, you should have 2 blue slots and 2 black slots. You'll want to put them in the 2 blue slots if I remember correctly. Something else you can do, is goto www.guru3d.com and download the SANDRA 2005 or Xl version and run the benchmarks. It will tell you how your system compares to other systems. You can also goto www.futuremark.com and download 3dMark05 or 06 and run that benchmark and get a score and report back here, you can also upload that score and compare it to other systems like yours and see if there is a huge difference. the 3dmark's are mainly DX and not OpenGL, so it won't tell you about problems with Doom3 or Quake4, but it will let you know how your system is doing overall. So then you'll know if it's just a Doom3 problem or a System problem. > yeah, i notice the single channel :\ > Ok, i've take out 2 of the sticks and let it be 1024mb. CPU-Z still tells [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> > >> >> >What do you think Dale? On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:52:09 -0500, "Dale \"Mad_Murdock\" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote: >I'll ask the obvious question, on the older boards you know you put the >memory in banks 1 &3 and not banks 1&2 right ? On the Asus boards, you >should have 2 blue slots and 2 black slots. You'll want to put them in the 2 >blue slots if I remember correctly. Yes Dale that is correct. There are four memory banks. Banks 1 (Blue), Bank 2 (Black), Bank 3 (Blue) and Bank 4 (Black). You will want to install the memory sticks for Dual Channel in the same colored slot, Bank 1 (Blue) and Bank 3 (Blue). Anything other than that will be Single Channel. Unless you get four sticks of memory (preferably all matched) then will revert back to Dual Channel. my motherboard is the standard model "P4P800". Yes i had the memorys put correctly, but i dont remember if they ever worked in Dual channel. Because in XP i didnt need to check that, the games run fast there. I've made the benchmarks tests, and let me tell you, there is realy something wrong :\ Here is the results: sisoftware sandra-> Cpu was normal, memory is normal, altough its says that it would be better if there were more memory to equal the processor. 3dmark06 3d mark score: 1479 SM2.0 score: 781 CPU socre: 630 And let me tell you, when i was running the bests, i was getting 6 - 9 FPS... In XP i always had good results in 3d mark, please tell me that this can be fixed and its not just because of the Vista. > I think running in Single channel at the very most should only cost you > like half your performance but that's only memory speed, but that shouldn't [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> >What do you think Dale? Well, I don't think it's because of Vista, but I think there is probably something wrong with your vista install.Maybe you need to un-install your drivers, reboot, grab a program called nasty file remover (hope it works under Vista) and let it clean up any traces of the ATI driver., re-install the 7.1 or 7.2 drivers and not installed the CCC. Before you do that, you could look in the CCC and make sure that the setting for Vsync didn't accidentally get turned on. At the end of it all, you might be forced to format and re-install vista. > my motherboard is the standard model "P4P800". > Yes i had the memorys put correctly, but i dont remember if they ever [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> >What do you think Dale? So, I uninstall the drivers, reboot, run Nasty File Remover in safe mode (cause it needs permitions the delete the files), reinstalled the 7.1 driver only. The results were better: Doom3 benchmark at high 800*600 = 15.6 FPS Doom3 benchmark at medium 1024*768 = 33.5 FPS 3dmark06 at 1024*768 score = 1766 Still, very far from Windows XP. Is this the better i can do before they release new drivers? From my experience 7.1 is much better than 7.2. So i'll probably wait till they release 7.3 right? Is there any thing else i can do? Thanks for all your help Dale. > Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! ! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people Wish I had a answer for you, but something just seems to be out of whack. You can wait for the 7.3s, though you know it will be close to a month before they are released. I'm still thinking you might need a format re-install of Vista. > So, I uninstall the drivers, reboot, run Nasty File Remover in safe mode > (cause [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people |
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