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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / Music, Photo, Video / May 2008Also Problem with Thumbnail view (Windows Vista)
I try to view pictures on a CD using the Explorer (Windows Vista). I have found out that you can change the size of the thumbnail but all I get is a picture of the programm. I have also cleared the checkbox next to "Always show icons, never thumbnails" as well. However, nothing changed. What else do I need to do in order to view the pictures on my CD rather than having to open each picture individually. I am really getting annoyed now with all these unnecessary changes in Vista. Regards Nicole >I try to view pictures on a CD using the Explorer (Windows Vista). I have >found out that you can change the size of the thumbnail but all I get is a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Nicole Sounds like you and many others that ask a similar question are getting confused over terminology. If you want to see thumbnails of your pictures from Windows Explorer then click on View on it's menu bar and move the vertical slider to select one of the following: small, medium, large or extra large icons. Clicking on Organize will add further options. This will produce a screen full of images, (thumbnails)assuming the files are of a supported image type like JPG. Here is a web page that explains it in more detail and shows Explorer in one of it's many possible configurations. http://www.geekgirls.com/vista_superguide_explorer.htm Actually, Explorer is more friendly than ever in Vista, once you understand what's changed. If you have a fairly large monitor and run at a higher resolution selecting medium or large icons works well. Once you can see thumbnails, meaning a screen full of them at once, next click on the Organize button, then Layout, then select Details pane. By default this will open a larger picture of whatever thumbnail (icon) currently has the focus, that's whichever one you just clicked on. You should notice there is a difference in the background color, for example in the default color scheme the top portion of the screen where you see all the thumbnails (icons) is white but now about 15% of the bottom screen is pale blue with a single image (the one you selected) is showing larger and it should also show text details of THAT picture. The details vary depending on what details you select or what may have already been embedded in the image's file. Right click on any image, then properties, then the details tab. Click ok after making changes. You now should be back in the previous view when you see all your icons (thumbnails) in the right pane and one selected in the details pane. Now slowly move your cursor over the dividing line between the area where you see a page full of icons and the larger selected one. When you hit the right spot your cursor will change from a single arrow to a double headed vertical arrow. While holding down your left mouse button drag this barely noticeable shaded line up and you'll see what's called the detail pane grow in size which increases the size of the single profiled image and what details about it are shown. In a similar way you can grab the vertical line that separates the left and right window panes sizing it as you wish which will reveal more or less thumbnails on a single line. Hi Adam, > If you want to see thumbnails of your pictures from Windows Explorer > then click on View on it's menu bar and move the vertical slider to > select one of the following: small, medium, large or extra large > icons. Clicking on Organize will add further options. I have already done that but all I get is a larger picture of the same image but not the picture itself. > Here is a web page that explains it in more detail and shows Explorer > in one of it's many possible configurations. Many thanks, will check it out maybe there is an answer to it. > Actually, Explorer is more friendly than ever in Vista, once you > understand what's changed. Well, that is exactly the problem...understanding it will take me months ;-) In the past I only had to insert the disc and view the pictures on the right hand side in the Explorer. I had expected it to be as easy with Vista but obvsioulsy I was wrong. Thanks again for all the hints. Kind regards Nicole I have exactly the same problem - jpegs do not show as thumbnails of the picture, but rather as a thumbnail of some random landscape. This makes selecting photos for photo editing etc. very difficult and frustrating. The solution proposed was not applicable. I see thumbnails, just not thumbnails of the photo. Any other suggestions? > Hi Adam, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Nicole >I have exactly the same problem - jpegs do not show as thumbnails of the >picture, but rather as a thumbnail of some random landscape. This makes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Any other suggestions? Part of the frustration of trying to help people is getting them to learn HOW to ask questions and provide the necessary details... otherwise no matter how much the person TRYING to help you knows, it often becomes a game of twenty questions. Did you set things up as I suggested? If so, the "landscape" you're seeing is a probably just the placeholder. Does it have a mountain range and some sky? If yes, that IS the Vista placeholder, it should go away by itself ONCE Vista makes the actual thumbnail. In other words it could be as simple as WAITING until Vista generates the actual thumbnails. This can take a long time if you have mixed files, especially videos mixed in or just a large number of files in one folder. When I use large in this context I mean thousands of files in ONE folder. Humor me... Make a new folder. Call it test. Copy ten SMALL sized images files, like some JPEGs to this folder. Be sure it is set to large icon view. Now just wait! How long depends on the total size of the images, plus the speed of your computer. For me, it is instantanous. If you eyes are very fast you may catch Vista in the act changing your "landscape" into one of your thumbnails. Hint: If you have LOTS of files in the folder Vista may not start at the beginning. It could be creating thumbnails out of sight, you can check, by moving the scroll bar to look further down in the folder. Again, give it at least 30 seconds or so after scrolling to start to see any thumbnails developing. If this works, try the folder you had trouble with. Just open it, be sure it is set to show icons, then get up and stretch your legs and come back in a few minutes. You should START to see your thumbnails. I know if you have a lot in one folder it can take awhile the FIRST TIME since Vista is building a database of thumbnails. If you don't see this and you're sure you have the folder set to show icons then one of three things probably: 1. The entire thumbnail database is corrupted. 2. One or more files are corrupted or not of a supported format. 3. None of the images you are trying to generate thumbnails for are in supported formats. See Vista's help for more on this. If either 1-2, a common sign is you have a mixed presentation. You see some actual thumbnails and some placeholders. Usually the first placeholder you see after a bunch of converted thumbnails is the corrupt one. Try removing that single file from the folder. Close the folder, to be sure it is closed open another one, then go back and see if thumbnails are getting creating from that point again. I do lots of video work and that means I run into files using all kinds of weird codecs. This can present a similar problem. Vista will generate normal thumbnails if it understands the codec used. If not instead it will display the icon of the application that is associated with the file type. Example: Vista natively doesn't understand MPEG-4. With a little trickery you can force Media Player to open it once you install a codec via another player. While Media Player will now play the video after first nagging it don't understand the file type it still refuses to generate a thumbnail showing only the GOM Player which is what I used to get a workable codec, so Vista instead of making a thumbnail of MPEG-4 videos instead shows the GOM-4 icon. If you see similar application icons and not actual thumbnails that is another possible problem. If you can't get it to work, you may want to try another application that does the same thing. I've used a little free application called XnView that very quickly builds thumbnails and no surprise to me, does so much better and way faster than Vista. Plus it opens just about any file type there is. Yes, it works find under Vista. >> Hi Adam, >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Nicole Hi Adam, Thanks for the advice and I'll try it and let you know. However I am skeptical for the following reasons: (i) when I go to the Sample Pictures folder that was pre-installed, about a third of them display properly and the others don't; (ii) I tried switching the default viewer to another program (I'll also try the one you mentioned), and the thumbnail was comprised only of that other program's "marker"; (iii) I also note that sometimes, for a split second, the photos are displayed in the thumbnail when I first open the folder - this occurs both with the Windows Photo Gallery and with this other program; (iv) it's kind of like the icon for PDF files, sometimes they show for a split second, then disappear; (v) I tried the Sample Videos which were preinstalled, and these previewed perfectly. Also, I can easily open all the thumbnails if I do so in the Windows Photo Gallery, so it doesn't seem like the entire thumbnail database is corrupted. The files I am trying to open are relatively large jpegs, about 2.75 megs each (there's only about a dozen photos in this folder), but I've left explorer open for quite some time and nothing has ever occurred - if it really is a matter of just waiting much longer, the preview is useless. For example I've had a file highlighted since I began typing this Reply, and nothing has yet appeared. Anyway, I'll give your suggestions a try and let you know the results. > >I have exactly the same problem - jpegs do not show as thumbnails of the > >picture, but rather as a thumbnail of some random landscape. This makes [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >> > >> Nicole I am having the exact same problem as Paul. I came here on a google search looking for answers I hadn't already read elsewhere. The only thing I did find here was "adam" acting condescending and arrogant toward Paul. Adam, "humor ME"... Try understanding that not everyone here is as smart as you, and maybe we just CAN'T get it. We're all stupid I guess. Yeah, we try all your suggestions but none of them help... maybe it's just the fact that Vista is still brand new and screwed up. Ever think of that?? > Hi Adam, > [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > >> > > >> Nicole >I am having the exact same problem as Paul. I came here on a google search >looking for answers I hadn't already read elsewhere. The only thing I did [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >suggestions but none of them help... maybe it's just the fact that Vista is >still brand new and screwed up. Ever think of that?? I guess some people confuse authoritative with condescending. I don't feel people are dumb but look at it from the prospective of the person trying to help. If you keep telling people what to do step by step and they still don't get it, what should I say when the feedback I get is something like "that don't work", or "can I try something else" when I KNOW what I told them to do does work. Understood, people can get very frustrated when something doesn't work. You should also understand the person trying to help gets frustrated too when you tell somebody exactly what to do and they seem to want to argue with you or act like what you told them doesn't work. Vista is different than XP and prior versions of Windows. What has changed is mostly cosmetic. Nothing radical has changed. For reasons you'll have to ask Microsoft some features in Windows Explorer have been redesigned, flat out changed or moved. I know. My big gripe and it is common to all newsgroups is people simply do not know HOW to properly ask technical questions. That often results in the person trying to help needing to guess what they really want. I'm pretty good at guessing, but I'm not a mind reader. Take all the questions about thumbnails. If you are having trouble with that the first thing you should be saying is WHAT file types you are having trouble with. People generally just say they can't see their pictures. That tells me nothing. I need to know what KIND of pictures, JPEG, TIF, maybe a video like DivX, whatever. The reason I need to know what type is Photo Galley can't show thumbnails for certain types of files. If you check in Vista's help it tells what file types Photo Galley has trouble with. Next I need to know your settings. Like in this thread. The OP is describing the icon that typically shows when you are in Detail view. He described it. I KNOW that was what he was looking at so of course you won't see pictures when you're in Detail View, you need to switch to Icon view. That I'm guessing throws off a lot of people because for some odd Reason Microsoft used the word "icon" when people will associate that with something other then their thumbnails, so they may never try one of the icon settings which is the ONLY setting that will show your thumbnails. Then Microsoft foolishly added a double menu bar. Make sure one of the icon choices are checked under View in the top row AND be sure that you select one of the icon views from VIEWS in the second row. Get it? There is both a VIEW and VIEWS setting. If that isn't confusing enough you can undo everything if you click on Tools, Folder Options, View and check "always show icons, never thumbnails" If you have that checked UNCHECK it otherwise you just set Vista to override the other settings and it never with show your thumbnails. Note how dumb Microsoft is in their choices of words. Earlier Microsoft used the icon to represent your thumbnails, yet under View in Folder options they use the word in the context to override showing the very thumbnails you probably want to see. I'm just the messenger, go yell at Microsoft. Finally if you do as I said, are sure the settings are right and you're sure you're in icon view, and you still see application icons not your thumbnails that's Microsoft way of showing that it can't generate a actual thumbnail and instead will try to show the associated application's icon instead. That means the file is corrupt, the database that stores the thumbnail is corrupt or the file type isn't understood and therefore it can't generate a thumbnail, yet dumb Windows may still play the file perfectly. Hi Adam, As I indicated, I've tried pretty much what you've suggested. Both the "View" and "Views" are selected as medium icons. The "always show icons" is unchecked in the Folder Options. When I view the preinstalled Sample Picture folder, 5 of the 15 appear as thumbnails, the remaining 10 appear as the default icon. I have examined the properties of these photos and cannot discern a reason why the 5 would appear and the others would not. These 5 consistenty appear, and the remaining 10 consistenty show the default icons. None of our photos appear as thumbnails. When I double click any of the photos from Explorer, the Office Picture Manager launches, and the photo is opened. If I then click "Thumbnail View" all photos in the folder display properly as thumbnails. Our own photos work the same way. So it does not seem as if the file, or even the database is corrupt. It seems to me that my version of Vista is not working properly. > >I am having the exact same problem as Paul. I came here on a google search > >looking for answers I hadn't already read elsewhere. The only thing I did [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > generate a thumbnail, yet dumb Windows may still play the file > perfectly. Hi everyone! I have same problem, and i was solve them. In Windows Explorer - Tools - Folder Options - View (Tab) - uncheck "Always show icons, never tumbnails" - OK After that, everything work fine. I agree that something fishy goes on with thumbnails in Vista. I have 3 PDF documents in the same folder. Two of them show a thumbnail of the actual document, the other shows only the default PDF icon, placeholder or whatever it is called. I also had a problem with dvr-ms files that I created with Media center (all files have always been recorded to the same folder). The first three that I created always showed a thumbnail view of the actual recorded clip. Then, all of a sudden, any clips that I record in Media Center only show the default Icon if I browse to that folder using explorer (the first three I originally recorded still show the thumbnail. Now, If I open Media Center fisrst, select one of the clips that does not show the thumbnail, paly it in Media Center for a second, then quit Media Center and vrose to the folder in Explorer, the thumbnail will be there from that point forward. As for the PDF file, I do not know why it will not show a thumbmnail view. When I right click on that Icon, select properties and then click the PDF tab, there is no PDF Producer or PDF Version listed. The other two that do have the thumbnals have information in both of these fields. Maybe that has something to do with it. I know this post does not help anyone, but it does show that there is something that does prevent Vista from showing some thumbnails that may not be as a result of the user's lack of knowledge. >I agree that something fishy goes on with thumbnails in Vista. I have 3 PDF >documents in the same folder. Two of them show a thumbnail of the actual [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >something that does prevent Vista from showing some thumbnails that may not >be as a result of the user's lack of knowledge. There are many reasons why Vista can't (won't) show thumbnails besides not having things set up correctly in Explorer. For video files the most common reason is the movie was compressed with a codec Vista doesn't have or understand or the file itself is corrupt. This is fairly common if you got file from the Internet. There are many tools that can successfully rebuild a video file's index, then it can be played correctly and then finally Vista may be able to make a thumbnail for it. Improper file association is another reason. If you have file X that won't show a thumbnail check under Default programs in Control Panel, the look at the master file association table is be sure Photo Gallery is set as the default application to view the file type. Some graphic file types are not supported. The following types are supported: BMP,JPEG,JFIF,TIFF,PNG,WDP,ASF,AVI,MPEG,WMV NOTE some common types are not, like GIF or MOV. You may have a typo in or a missing file extension on the file. You may find the following site useful. It explains how the Vista shell works but more importantly you may get to talk to some of the people that wrote the code, if you're lucky. http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/06/working-with-d ata-in-windows-vista.aspx it worked like a charm, and so simple thank you Miroslav...you are it!!:))  SignatureRG > Hi everyone! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > After that, everything work fine. All cheers for you! your the genius!!!!! Problem solved. Cant believe it's such a simple check on the box in Tools option bar... Thanks again! Miroslav;2941076 Wrote: > Hi everyone! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > After that, everything work fine. Signaturechink69_@hotmail.com http://forums.techarena.in >Hi Adam, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >discern a reason why the 5 would appear and the others would not. These 5 >consistenty appear, and the remaining 10 consistenty show the default icons. It is very strange that even the included samples don't show properly. So you are probably right, something is very wrong with your install of Vista and your only solution would be to reinstall. I was having the same problem as others mentioned. I would browse to a folder with photos in it and the thumbnails would briefly appear then revert back to the default landscape. (I'm beginning to hate that landscape.) The fact that they appeared at all meant the codec was fine. This led me to think it was a database problem. I went to delete the thumbnail database thinking it was corrupt. Same result again. I went back to look at the database file and discovered it was missing. This was the asnwer! The permissions on the folder did not allow me write to the folder. Once I fixed the permissions and made the folder writable the thumbnails stuck around for longer than a few milliseconds! I quite agree about all the changes. Some of them seem totally unnecessary. Try finding Add/Remove programs! Regards David > I try to view pictures on a CD using the Explorer (Windows Vista). I have > found out that you can change the size of the thumbnail but all I get is a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nicole |
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