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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / Music, Photo, Video / July 2007Is Movie Maker sending anyone else round the twist?
My project has a mix of mpegs and avi's and photos and titles. Sometimes the timeline will play but add another video and it won't. Splice that piece of video and delete a part - hey, it plays! This problem doesn't exist in any of my other video editing software. I'm losing the will to live.... Come on Microsoft, pull the finger out!! Any suggestions helpful community?! Thanks you. G I found that WMM did not handle my mpeg files reliably. I convert my mpeg's to avi first, using VirtualDub for MPEG-2; then I am putting only avi's on the timeline and that works well for me. > My project has a mix of mpegs and avi's and photos and titles. Sometimes > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks you. > G >My project has a mix of mpegs and avi's and photos and titles. Sometimes the >timeline will play but add another video and it won't. Splice that piece of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Thanks you. >G It seems Movie Maker doesn't do a good job of transcoding. A good video editor should be able to handle any supported type of file you throw on the timeline and transcode (convert it) into whatever file type your project is set to publish (render). It also seems judging on what I read here that Movie Maker in very finicky over even the slightest variation in a file's internal structure and will crash and burn from the slightest imperfection. Again a sign of a BAD video editor. What version of Vista are you using?... the Home Premium and Ultimate versions have Microsoft's new MPEG2 codec... while other versions would need an MPEG2 codec added by the computer's OEM or you.  Signaturewebsite references are to www.papajohn.org PapaJohn > My project has a mix of mpegs and avi's and photos and titles. Sometimes > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks you. > G >What version of Vista are you using?... the Home Premium and Ultimate >versions have Microsoft's new MPEG2 codec... while other versions would need >an MPEG2 codec added by the computer's OEM or you. I have several MPEG-2 encoders and Movie Makers is simply too stupid to know what to do with them. Pathetic. I have a low end $399 Toshiba Home Basic laptop.... without a DVD burner... Toshiba put ULead DVD software with an MPEG2 codec on it... I can view MPEG-2 files in WMP, and make DVD files with the ULead software, but Movie Maker 6 doesn't effectively use the codec to let me edit movies with MPEG-2 files. Except for the Home Premium and Ultimate versions (I have an Ultimate system which has MM6 and handles MPEG2 files fine), the other versions of Vista work the same as MM2.1 in XP. The Vista section of my website has tips about Movie Maker 6, covering such things as this.. Signaturewebsite references are to www.papajohn.org PapaJohn >>What version of Vista are you using?... the Home Premium and Ultimate >>versions have Microsoft's new MPEG2 codec... while other versions would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have several MPEG-2 encoders and Movie Makers is simply too stupid > to know what to do with them. Pathetic. >I have a low end $399 Toshiba Home Basic laptop.... without a DVD burner... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >The Vista section of my website has tips about Movie Maker 6, covering such >things as this.. I assume you are referring to the Compatibility section under tools/options. Two problems with Microsoft implementation. If you have all kinds of codecs as I do since I do professional video work disabling one at a time from such a long list just to see what Movie Maker chokes on is ridiculous. What's even lamer is as many people reported and I've experienced myself is some videos play fine in Media Player, but just choke in Movie Maker. Only Microsoft is dumb enough to write a operating system that rumor has it spans 50 million lies of code and still ends up with a hodgepodge where some Microsoft application understands a certain codec and others don't. Absurd! the thread started with migrant 99 asking for suggestions, but not saying what version of Vista he or she is running... I just stopped by to offer a comment. If you're suggesting migrant 99 shift to other software, what software? Lots of users are interested in knowing. Mine is Adobe Premiere Elements. Start with a full featured 30 day trial download. I specialize in things wrong with Movie Maker... so I'm not disagreeing with you... my main goal is to help users, not knock Microsoft or sell other apps. Signaturewebsite references are to www.papajohn.org PapaJohn >>I have a low end $399 Toshiba Home Basic laptop.... without a DVD >>burner... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > a hodgepodge where some Microsoft application understands a certain > codec and others don't. Absurd! >the thread started with migrant 99 asking for suggestions, but not saying >what version of Vista he or she is running... I just stopped by to offer a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >you... my main goal is to help users, not knock Microsoft or sell other >apps. I'm not disagreeing with you either. Pointing out how screwed up Movie Maker is actually is something people should be made aware especially since my guess a lot of people posting here are new to video editing and could be thinking they're doing something wrong when they're not, the fault often being with Movie Maker, Media Player or Photo Gallery. I assume people posting to a Vista support group are running Vista, unless they state otherwise. I've said many times I use Sony's Vegas. A highly respected video editor among professional ranks. We never could figure out how it got such a odd name as Vegas. Best guess, you get a lot of bang and glitz for your buck, so, maybe that's it. <wink> I also realize Vegas is probably a bit much for casual use. Why Sony also has a entry level version based on Vegas called their home studio line. Both have free trials as well. My view, which I expressed here many times is Microsoft's Movie Maker is good enough is good enough is all you want. Fine to just see how to do very basic video editing and probably still fine if you're only going to make a video just once in awhile. However if anybody is serious about making videos, then don't walk, RUN as fast as you can away from Movie Maker. There are many applications out there that run under Windows that are way better. My opinion, Elements is ok, but still a basic, somewhat bland entry level application. While Sony's home studio line includes many of the way more powerful Vegas features. That makes a HUGE difference in what you can do and can't. This page shows what Vegas can do, compared to it's little brother. http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=446&PageID=89 A couple slick features I don't think Elements has, (correct me if I'm wrong) is Event reverse and track motion. The first is obvious, click a button play any part of the timeline in reverse, the second allows you to have multiple videos all merged into the same frame. That means you can grab a control at the track header and reduce the space Video A takes up in the frame then add in Video B and do the same. In Vegas no limit how many, lessor version have limited tracks. Not that I want to get embroiled in an arguement, but Sony Vegas is not "A highly respected video editor among professional ranks." It is certainly a very good editing application, but more prosumer, as a next step up from the likes of MM. Why are there so many forums for users of vegas? Why are they full of problems to answer as well? The answer is the same as the app I use, Canopus Edius, none are perfect, there are far to many variables with PC and equipment to test with every combination, so they do the best they can and then hopefully try to sort out any problems as they go along. MM should handle other file types better by now, it is a big paina dn we argue hard and long for it, but we have to live with what we have, and as Papajohn says, try to help out those who are experiencing difficulties SignatureGraham Hughes MVP Digital Media www.myvideoproblems.com >>the thread started with migrant 99 asking for suggestions, but not saying >>what version of Vista he or she is running... I just stopped by to offer a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > A takes up in the frame then add in Video B and do the same. In Vegas > no limit how many, lessor version have limited tracks. >Not that I want to get embroiled in an arguement, but Sony Vegas is not "A >highly respected video editor among professional ranks." Well, you sure have a funny way of trying to avoid it. How many professionals you know? I know several who work for the BBC, ITV and for themselves. I am also a professional, though I still wouldn't call my editing app, Canopus Edius a truly professional one. SignatureGraham Hughes MVP Digital Media www.myvideoproblems.com >>Not that I want to get embroiled in an arguement, but Sony Vegas is not "A >>highly respected video editor among professional ranks." > > Well, you sure have a funny way of trying to avoid it. How many > professionals you know? >I know several who work for the BBC, ITV and for themselves. > >I am also a professional, though I still wouldn't call my editing app, >Canopus Edius a truly professional one. Well I took exception to you claiming Vegas wasn't a professional grade editor since I know many professionals besides myself that use it. One example would be Douglas Spotted Eagle who's used Vegas and other Sony video/audio products and teaches classes on their use world wide. Douglas has won Grammy, Emmy, DuPont, Peabody, and many other awards for his work both behind and in front of the camera and is an accomplished musician as well. Sony Vegas+DVD Receives "Best of 2006" Honors from Videomaker Magazine The Editors of Leading Industry Resource for Video Professionals Have Selected Vegas+DVD as One of the Best Video Production Products of 2006. I think you need to be more careful and avoid letting your opinions get wrongly elevated to factual status. Everyone has their favorite tools. If or not the tool or the user of the tool is "professional" really is in the eyes of the beholder I guess. <wink>. Quote "..........avoid letting your opinions........... Everyone has their favorite tools." Exactly my point, :) SignatureGraham Hughes MVP Digital Media www.myvideoproblems.com >>I know several who work for the BBC, ITV and for themselves. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > tools. If or not the tool or the user of the tool is "professional" > really is in the eyes of the beholder I guess. <wink>. Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident! I'm relieved it's not jus me then. I'm using Vista Home Premium. The laptop is only a few months old. Since my question I converted all my mpegs into AVI's with... Sony Vegas! Why not use that instead I hear you ask. Well, I like some of the transitions, effects and titles it uses (even though titling is a struggles too!). For the present job I wanted to use it's more basic functions. However, since converting all files to AVI's as Microsoft help suggested, I STILL get the same problems. I've discovered that on saving a project that worked and re-opening that project, it doesn't play, so, I move one clip to another place, move it back and hey presto it plays. I have to do this everytime I re-open my project. NOW I find that one of my AVI's which plays fine independently, plays out of sync with the sound if I start trimming the clip. I'm thinking of shooting myself so I don't have to suffer the purgatory of Microsoft's lethargic responses to it's sooperdooper new operating system advance! Any advice or suggestions for ANY of the above entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. G If you can't have a bit of friendly banter here we are all doomed ;-0 What sort of avi did you make? AVI is just a wrapper, it's the bit which sits in front of this that matters. So, dv.avi is good and works with MM - or it should divx.avi is bad and won't work You can also get xvid and even mpeg2 can be wrapped in avi, along with hundreds of other file types, which don't work with MM. If you don't know which sort of avi it is, then use something like avicodec or Gspot to tell you. I have links here http://www.myvideoproblems.com/WebPages/UsefulProgrammes.htm SignatureGraham Hughes MVP Digital Media www.myvideoproblems.com > Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident! > I'm relieved it's not jus me then. I'm using Vista Home Premium. The [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. > G Thanks for not abandoning the thread... When you do the MPEG to AVI conversion in Vegas, you get to pick the compression codecs used. As Graham said, it's a matter of which ones you used. That's not the whole answer, but the right help starts with knowing the codecs used. Signaturewebsite references are to www.papajohn.org PapaJohn > Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident! > I'm relieved it's not jus me then. I'm using Vista Home Premium. The [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. > G Thanks to both of you, very much. That link was very usefull and I used the Gspot program. My AVI's are DV type 2 AVI. I'm not sure whether this is ok but I've discovered that although one of the files I mentioned in my last post rendered in Vegas from mpeg seems to be in sync at the begining and out by the end! Very odd. Trying to render again. Perhaps I'll have to lift from the original DVD again. Maybe that's where the problem lies. But strange thing is, I've played this file from the point where it's in sync and just let it run. The sound and pictures are together right to the end! What's that all about?! Cheers guys G > Thanks for not abandoning the thread... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. > > G PS This video plays in sync in the preview pane of Vegas. I'm losing my will... G > Thanks to both of you, very much. That link was very usefull and I used the > Gspot program. My AVI's are DV type 2 AVI. I'm not sure whether this is ok [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. > > > G the DV file is high quality for editing purposes... if it's losing sync during playing or previewing, it probably won't effect the finished product. in Movie Maker, render it to a small PocketPC choice and check it there.... if it kept the sync, then you're OK to keep going. Signaturewebsite references are to www.papajohn.org PapaJohn > PS > This video plays in sync in the preview pane of Vegas. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> > > entirely welcome. Thanks again guys. >> > > G >Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident! What incident... you should see the squabbling in the general group. ;-) >I'm relieved it's not jus me then. I'm using Vista Home Premium. The laptop >is only a few months old. Since my question I converted all my mpegs into >AVI's with... Sony Vegas! That may or may not be a good idea depending on what you do next. What kind of projects are you making? Did you already buy Vegas or are you just sampling the program? If you're just trying the demo you don't have access to the MPEG-2 encoder yet. Thanks Adam, I've borrowed a copy. I think mpeg2 is working. I don't fully understand the codecs but I'll endevour to. Incidenally, I'm rendering as Pal DV in Vegas. Don't suppose it matters too much if I'm importing them into WMM? Thanks again. G > >Thanks to all who've answered. Didn't mean to start an incident! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just sampling the program? If you're just trying the demo you don't > have access to the MPEG-2 encoder yet. >Thanks Adam, I've borrowed a copy. I think mpeg2 is working. >I don't fully understand the codecs but I'll endevour to. >Incidenally, I'm rendering as Pal DV in Vegas. Don't suppose it matters too >much if I'm importing them into WMM? >Thanks again. Shouldn't matter. Vegas can transcode most file types. For the few it can't what you need to do is either first render in VirtualDub as a uncompressed AVI then drop the result of that on the Vegas timeline or use Microsoft's Media Encoder as a pre-render. What DOES matter is how you set Vegas up. First thing check Properties under File then select the appropriate template. In the same window be sure you're using the PAL aspect ratio for pixels. Other setting here depends on your choices. Next drop a source file on the timeline. Go to the very end. Notice the two boxes that appear in the video frame. Click on the top one. In the Event Pan/Crop window that opens click on the 'lock' icon this will sync anything you do in key frames to the main timeline. You should look under options and set preferences for other choices. Thanks Adam. That's useful information. I'm a little lost with all the codecs to be honest. Wish there was one format, make things a lot easier. Either that or have windows be able to handle them all without the user having to constantly solve their software problems along the way. It's utterly ridiculous. Not to mention finding answers on this. It be helpful if there was a facility to search within your answers. If I click on help - Movie Maker On The Web I expect to be taken to an area exclusive to the program but instead I've got to search the page to find clues to links to take me there....what is going on?! ...I hope they read this! Thank goodness for helpful folk like yourselves. Cheers again. Greg > >Thanks Adam, I've borrowed a copy. I think mpeg2 is working. > >I don't fully understand the codecs but I'll endevour to. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > anything you do in key frames to the main timeline. You should look > under options and set preferences for other choices. >Thanks Adam. That's useful information. I'm a little lost with all the codecs >to be honest. Wish there was one format, make things a lot easier. Either >that or have windows be able to handle them all without the user having to >constantly solve their software problems along the way. That's the part I don't get either. A codec should be instantly recognized by the system and shared by any application on the system that needs it. That's why I and others here in this newsgroup have asked how come Media Player can play a certain file, yet Movie Maker won't accept it on the timeline or only plays either the video or audio steam. Enough to drive you crazy. ;-) Quite! Cheers G > >Thanks Adam. That's useful information. I'm a little lost with all the codecs > >to be honest. Wish there was one format, make things a lot easier. Either [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > won't accept it on the timeline or only plays either the video or > audio steam. Enough to drive you crazy. ;-) |
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