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DirtyDawg - 19 Jun 2008 11:26 GMT Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is already getting a little sluggish.
Thank you for your time.
Mick Murphy - 19 Jun 2008 11:40 GMT Never use a Registry Cleaner!!! They do more harm than good! If you can't manually work in your Registry, leave it alone, or get a competent Computer Technician to do it for you.
Try doing a disk cleanup, delete temp files, delete temp internet files. Cut back on number of restore Points, delete Programs that you don't use. Check for Spyware. There is so much you can do without touching the Registry.
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> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Malke - 19 Jun 2008 13:06 GMT > Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. None. See:
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 - registry cleaner thread
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Zoloft - 19 Jun 2008 13:07 GMT and to answer your question without paranoia, warranted or not,
JV16 Power Tools 2008 and SuperWin RegVac Registry Cleaner
are both x64 compatible, and very handy lil aps. You will, of course, want to make sure to back up all changes you make, in case they do cause issues.
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CuttersChoice - 19 Jun 2008 13:18 GMT Well i have use Registry Mechanic and i have found that it removes pretty much everything you need to worry about and so far it has caused no problems with me. It saves so much time over doing it manualy and does not cause any problems with performence. (atleast it didnt with me in the last year or so that i have used it with 2 machines.) But i dont know if it will work with a 64 bit os.
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Victek - 19 Jun 2008 14:38 GMT > Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Registry "cleaning" may seem like a good idea, but can you really attribute any improvement in performance to it? I've tried it from time to time and I've never noticed the slightest difference. On the other hand, I have seen registry cleaners damage the registry resulting in programs not loading properly. One thing you can do to optimize the registry which IS safe is to defrag/compress it. There are a number of free utilities, such as NTRegOpt which do this.
As others have mentioned there are many safe ways to optimize a Windows system which do produce noticeable gains in performance. If you need suggestions just ask.
Brink - 19 Jun 2008 15:38 GMT DirtyDawg;751643 Wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just > recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Hi DirtyDawg,
This will help improve your computer's performance better than just a registry cleaner can.
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/81176-speed-up-performance-vista.html
However, I have used the free Wise Registry Cleaner program without having any problems with it.
'WiseCleaner.com - Downloads' (http://www.wisecleaner.com/download.html)
Hope this helps, Shawn
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ICQM Houston - 19 Jun 2008 15:39 GMT perform regular disk cleanup, defrag - i suggest not using antivirus as this will cause more frustrations (but if you found one that best suit your needs that's OK) - use the best firewall instead - scan your PC of spyware daily.
system restore makes your PC much worst after you run it so much as well disable it - i suggest careful manual registry cleaning as it require perseverance and studiosness to manually clean the registry file
> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. John Barnett MVP - 19 Jun 2008 16:21 GMT The only way to 'clean' the registry is to do it manually. In most cases the software that purports to be able to clean the registry causes more problems than it solves. If you are not confident enough to manually remove defunct registry entries then leave the registry well alone and keep as far away from registry cleaners as you possible can.
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> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. hpwuest - 19 Jun 2008 16:48 GMT 'RegCure Free Download' (http://www.fast-download.info/regcure.html)
I've bought it for my Vista 32 Ultimate - no problems so far - has good critiques in the Internet.
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Steve Thackery - 19 Jun 2008 16:58 GMT > ........it seems like it is already getting a little sluggish. But it's a heck of a leap to assume there's a registry problem, or that "cleaning" the registry makes any difference at all to responsiveness.
I've been playing around with these damn things for years and can tell you three things:
1/ Running a registry cleaner gives you a warm feeling as you tell yourself you've "improved" things in your computer.
2/ Your computer doesn't share your feelings because it doesn't have any. Never, not once, have I honestly been able to spot an improvement in responsiveness by cleaning (or defragging) the registry.
3/ On a handful of occasions I've actually buggered up some functionality as a result of using registry cleaning tools, and had to restore the backup. Sometimes you don't notice the problem for a few days, which is actually the worst kind of problem.
My conclusion is that they are the 21st century equivalent of snake oil. Don't waste your time (and run the risk of breaking something).
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Victek - 20 Jun 2008 15:08 GMT > 1/ Running a registry cleaner gives you a warm feeling as you tell > yourself you've "improved" things in your computer. > > 2/ Your computer doesn't share your feelings because it doesn't have any. > Never, not once, have I honestly been able to spot an improvement in > responsiveness by cleaning (or defragging) the registry. Defragging the registry does not improve responsiveness, but it does free up a little disk space <g>.
Steve Thackery - 20 Jun 2008 16:43 GMT > Defragging the registry does not improve responsiveness, but it does free > up a little disk space <g>. Well, a tiny bit! But the OP was complaining about sluggish performance.
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Hans-Georg Michna - 20 Jun 2008 19:16 GMT >> ........it seems like it is already getting a little sluggish.
>But it's a heck of a leap to assume there's a registry problem, or that >"cleaning" the registry makes any difference at all to responsiveness. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >My conclusion is that they are the 21st century equivalent of snake oil. >Don't waste your time (and run the risk of breaking something). Steve,
I believe you are exactly right.
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999mizta999 - 19 Jun 2008 17:12 GMT i use Auslogics Registry cleaner and no problems :D
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CuttersChoice - 19 Jun 2008 22:21 GMT I use registry mechanic and have noticed a increase in responsiveness, even in things as simple as the boot time of my machine. Plus Virus often create registry entrys on your machine so it is nice to get rid of them, especialy if you can use something like spybot s&d to stop them from re creating it. But I dont rely on he and to go over the registry myself and have bad experiences with several scanners in the past.
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> > ........it seems like it is already getting a little sluggish. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > SteveT
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DirtyDawg - 19 Jun 2008 23:12 GMT Thank you all very much for your input. I'll mull it all over/do more research and then make my decision as to what to do. Again, I appreciate the input.
> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Bruce Chambers - 20 Jun 2008 02:18 GMT > Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just > recently purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like > it is already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Any so-called registry "cleaner" is nothing more than a worthless snake oil remedy whose sole purpose is to separate you from some of your money.
Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?"
If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change.
Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be.
More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.
I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user.
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Tom Lake - 20 Jun 2008 15:27 GMT > Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is already > getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Most people will tell you to not use one at all. I have used CleanMyPC when reinstalling software wouldn't work. It seems to do the trick just fine. the stubborn software would then install with no problem. I don't use the cleaner on a regular basis, just when I need it. I do know what the registry entries do and could do all the work myself but a good registry cleaner saves me a lot of time.
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Mark H - 20 Jun 2008 16:03 GMT Makes one wonder why Microsoft makes a registry cleaner part of Live One Care? http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm
> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Bruce Chambers - 20 Jun 2008 17:13 GMT > Makes one wonder why Microsoft makes a registry cleaner part of Live One > Care? For the money, of course. If idiots are willing to spend good money for snake oil products, why shouldn't Microsoft also try to cash in? It is, after all, a business.
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DirtyDawg - 20 Jun 2008 17:18 GMT It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a program, the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the "Add/Remove Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost always seemed to be something left behind to lag/clog up the registry. I have been using Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, but at the moment it is not compatible with 64bit systems.
I must admit though, I don't think I've EVER seen Microsoft admit that there is a need to clean the register until now. I wish that they would incorporate that kind of feature into Live One Care.
> Makes one wonder why Microsoft makes a registry cleaner part of Live One > Care? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Thank you for your time. Bruce Chambers - 20 Jun 2008 17:59 GMT > It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry > cleaner is very important. Then you've been laboring under a severe misunderstanding of how the registry works for just as long, I'm afraid.
> A lot of the times when you go to uninstall > a program, the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the > "Add/Remove Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost > always seemed to be something left behind.... For badly written programs this is often true; for properly designed and coded uninstallers, it's a non-issue.
> .... to lag/clog up the registry. Utterly untrue. Orphaned entries have absolutely no affect upon performance, and only a microscopic affect upon disk space.
> I have been using Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, ... Why? What's the point? Do you also play Russian Roulette?
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Victek - 20 Jun 2008 18:05 GMT > It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry > cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have been using Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, but at the > moment it is not compatible with 64bit systems. For thoroughly uninstalling programs have you tried a dedicated uninstall program, such as Revo Uninstaller? It will search the hard drive and registry after the application's uninstall completes and find the bits that were missed, such as registry keys. I don't know if Revo Uninstaller support 64 bit Windows though. I looked around their web site and couldn't find a specific statement about support OS's.
Brink - 20 Jun 2008 18:36 GMT Victek;753078 Wrote:
> > It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry> > > > > > cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > couldn't > find a specific statement about support OS's. Sorry, it does not support 64 bit OS's yet.
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> > Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003, Windows Vista > 64 bit operating systems are NOT supported!
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DirtyDawg - 20 Jun 2008 18:55 GMT No I haven't. I didn't even know that there were programs such as that out there. In the past, I just looked for anything that would take out the dead registry entries and when I found Registry Mechanic, I stopped looking. I hope pctools gets on the ball and makes Registry Mechanic compatible with 64bit windows. I'll look around and see what I can come up with in regards to your program suggestion. Thanks for your time.
>> It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry >> cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > support 64 bit Windows though. I looked around their web site and > couldn't find a specific statement about support OS's. Tom Lake - 20 Jun 2008 19:19 GMT > It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry cleaner is > very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a program, the > uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the "Add/Remove Programs" > option through the Control Panel. There almost always seemed to be something left > behind to lag/clog up the registry. I have been using Registry Mechanic for a good > long time now, but at the moment it is not compatible with 64bit systems. CleanMyPC is compatible with 64-bit Vista. It's not free but it's reasonable. I've never had it mess up my registry. Of course I always back up before running any program that changes the registry. If I ever I forget to, something will go wrong!
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Athanasian Creed <>< - 30 Jun 2008 02:19 GMT > It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry > cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall > a program, the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the > "Add/Remove Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost > always seemed to be something left behind to lag/clog up the registry. ...
For the fragments left after a program uninstall, i'd HIGHLY recommend a free program called 'Revo Uninstaller' which not only uninstalls the program but scans the registry for keys left behind by the uninstaller. It clearly points out what keys should be deleted (colour-coded)
An excellent, excellent program IMO.
HTH,
Ray
Mark - 21 Jun 2008 03:55 GMT I searched for a benchmark for these Registry Cleaners and couldn't find any substantiating their claims, so I performed my own. While simple in nature and very limited, it provided some information on the topic:
1. Made a full backup so I could recover after this experiment. 2. Installed a popular benchmark (3DMark08) that would give me a base number to compare before and after. 3. Installed CCleaner, which seems to get more recommendations than most from this newsgroup.
History: My computer is used to test lots of software, so I have a lot of garbage registry entries from all the products I install, including MS Office 2003, DVD/CD burners, games, etc. (I mention these because they are currently all uninstalled with the uninstaller provided by the vendor. Yet, if you look in the registry, there are traces of each all over the place.) I run Avast as my anti-virus and Windows Firewall. (These were left on for both the before and after.)
Run 1: As-is Scores: 5301 (generic score) 6209 (GPUs) 3684 (CPUs)
Run 2: Run CCleaner to remove all extraneous files (224 MB) and registry entries (114.) I used no discrimination... just remove it all automatically. Scores: 5291 (generic score) 6214 (GPUs) 3660 (CPUs)
In a nutshell, little to no change. What change did occur is a reduction in performance. When I look through the registry, the links to missing files have been removed, but all the User Options, Preferences, File Associations, Version, etc are still present.
I need a better uninstaller. Not a registry cleaner.
> Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently > purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is > already getting a little sluggish. > > Thank you for your time. Hans-Georg Michna - 21 Jun 2008 15:12 GMT >When I look through the registry, the links to missing files have been >removed, but all the User Options, Preferences, File Associations, Version, >etc are still present. Mark,
I can confirm that for some other registry cleaners I tried some time ago. They don't really understand the registry.
A typical case is that some DLL is registered as an object in the registry and contains a reference to a nonexistent file in a nonexistent folder. Obviously the entire registration should be removed, but the registry cleaners never do that. Instead they remove only a small part of it and leave most of the garbage in place, now mutilated even worse.
And I'm not even touching the question whether correct removal would yield a performance increase.
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comphulk - 24 Jun 2008 05:09 GMT Use CCleaner. It's really good, and it has a registry cleaner built in to it. I use it every week, and it always get at least 150-800 MB of junk off my computer. Haven't had any problems with it so far. And it supports Vista SP1.
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