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Ristar - 20 Aug 2008 16:23 GMT Hi,
how do i kill a process that froze? ie. Firefox, IE, and all that, that are not responding?
so far, i have tried "taskkill /im <pid>", and process explorer.
taskkill always returns a message telling me that a kill command has been sent, but the process is still not killed.
process explorer, no matter how many times i try killing it, the process still wont be killed.
seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting really, really irritating.
Richard Urban - 20 Aug 2008 20:52 GMT Kill it through Task Manager. Right click on the process and choose "Kill Process Tree".
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> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > really, really irritating. Ristar - 21 Aug 2008 01:03 GMT OBVIOUSLY, this doesnt work. heh.
even in XP, and for running programs (the programs that Vista actually lets me kill) using process explorer or taskkill produces a more immediate effect than using task manager, which
> Kill it through Task Manager. Right click on the process and choose "Kill > Process Tree". [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > > really, really irritating. Richard Urban - 21 Aug 2008 04:23 GMT Strange, I have never found a hung process that I can not kill off.
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> OBVIOUSLY, this doesnt work. heh. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting >> > really, really irritating. Rick Rogers - 21 Aug 2008 03:40 GMT Hi,
Just a thought, but are you issuing the commands from an elevated prompt?
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> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > really, really irritating. Ristar - 28 Aug 2008 03:12 GMT Hi, im new to Vista, so... what's an elevated prompt?
I'm signed in as admin, and even when i do the "Run as administrator" thing, the process still wont be killed. is that wat u mean?
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > > really, really irritating. R. C. White - 29 Aug 2008 01:55 GMT Hi, Ristar.
An "elevated prompt" means entering the command or starting the application from the "Administrator:Command Prompt" window. That's the Administrator version of what some of us old-timers still call a "DOS window".
To open that window, right-click on Cmd.exe and choose Run as Administrator; you'll have to furnish the password to get past here. When the window opens, note the word "Administrator" in the Title Bar. Any command or application launched from this window will "run elevated"; it usually will automatically Run as Administrator without further password prompts.
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> Hi, im new to Vista, so... what's an elevated prompt? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting >> > really, really irritating. crushablemeg - 21 Aug 2008 05:25 GMT sorry to but in but I am having a similar problem trying to end process on wmp.exe it will end but then it keeps popping off and on in my list, and I'm wondering if this is what is causing my PC to hang in shutting down screen?
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > really, really irritating. Jeremy Viegas - 02 Sep 2008 19:32 GMT Try the KB article below, use the kill tool. Run it elevated.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197155
> sorry to but in but I am having a similar problem trying to end process on > wmp.exe it will end but then it keeps popping off and on in my list, and I'm [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > > really, really irritating. Ristar - 09 Sep 2008 12:24 GMT ah... where's the kill tool? i cant find any downloads and "kill.exe" doesnt exist in my system.
In addition, what resource kit is the article talking about? there's no downloads and i cannot find "kill" and "pview".. and have totally no idea how to use "at". ><
> Try the KB article below, use the kill tool. Run it elevated. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > > > really, really irritating. propman - 09 Sep 2008 17:46 GMT > ah... where's the kill tool? i cant find any downloads and "kill.exe" > doesnt exist in my system. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197155 That page has the following info:
APPLIES TO • Microsoft Windows 2000 Server • Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server • Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Edition • Microsoft Windows 2000 Datacenter Server • Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Standard Edition • Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Developer Edition • Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition
If you are running Vista....it ain't mentioned. :-)
Ristar - 09 Sep 2008 17:59 GMT yeah... that confused me for a little while. especially after i read posts from some geeks in other forums where they talk about XP, 2k, NT and stuff that makes them sound like they arent communicating in English.
since this is a Vista forum, i thought that thing URL may apply to Vista too, even though its not on the list.
oh well, nvm. thanks for clearing up anyway.
> > ah... where's the kill tool? i cant find any downloads and "kill.exe" > > doesnt exist in my system. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > If you are running Vista....it ain't mentioned. :-) ivanv - 28 Sep 2008 20:59 GMT Hi Ristar,
Have you sorted this problem? I have the same issue with killing Counter-Strike on my vista. And it's so annoying! :confused: Have to reset my hardware to sort this out.
Does anyone have the same problem? MS guys have you heard about that?
Thanks, Ivan
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> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting > really, really irritating.
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Jacek Godorowski - 28 Sep 2008 22:33 GMT Download Unlocker 1.8
> Hi Ristar, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> seriously, this inability to kill processes that are frozen is getting >> really, really irritating. Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 06:51 GMT isnt Vista pathetic?
not only does the processes hang for NO RHYME OR REASON, we have to depend on a 3rd party freeware to solve the problem this OS (which costs $$) has.
lol... it's just like MS to produce such an OS. oh, and they conveniently dont have a bunch of people who customers can contact regarding their s/w problems, and we, paying customers, have to rely on forums.
wat a joke.
thanks for recommending Unlocker 1.8, i will try using it the next time firefox hangs to see if it works.
propman - 29 Sep 2008 16:12 GMT > isnt Vista pathetic? Nope.
> not only does the processes hang for NO RHYME OR REASON, we have to > depend on a 3rd party freeware to solve the problem this OS (which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > wat a joke. Methinks you are trolling spouting garbage such as this........
> thanks for recommending Unlocker 1.8, i will try using it the next > time firefox hangs to see if it works. Running Vista SP1 and various flavours of linux here....never had Firefox lock up on me in either OS.....
Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 16:55 GMT thats wat u think.
firefox locks up on me for no rhyme or reason. wat trolling? this is PERSONAL experience, for goodness sake. and right now, im damned pissed that i have to do a hardware restart everytime firefox hangs for no good reason, because it just wont shut down or restart.
good for u that apps dun lock up on u, if u searched around, this problem is COMMON. jeez.
> > isnt Vista pathetic? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Running Vista SP1 and various flavours of linux here....never had > Firefox lock up on me in either OS..... Hobo - 29 Sep 2008 17:33 GMT > isnt Vista pathetic? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > thanks for recommending Unlocker 1.8, i will try using it the next time > firefox hangs to see if it works. I may be stupid because I don't get it! You claim FireFox hangs on you for no good reason and you claim Vista is the problem! Did it ever occur to you that the program that you are running is more likely to be the source of the hang up? It seems obvious to me that if others are running the same software under Vista without the problems that you are experiencing then there is something wrong with either the installation of the problem program or you have hardware issues.
Post your complete system specs, with a complete description of what is happening, and you might get some useful help to solve the problem.
Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 18:06 GMT "I may be stupid because I don't get it!"
this is probably beacuse u did not read the original post.
btw, this problem is not just restricted to firefox; other users have said that winamp, and other apps hang on them. since i only use my laptop for work only, i cited only firefox. u can read OTHER programs that hang for no good reasons throughout the thread.
but to answer u properly; the problem is i CANT KILL a hung process (see original post, and topic title). i have no problems with processes hanging, until i used Vista, coz i cant kill em, and no kill = no restart OS.
System Spec: Duo Core 1.7GHz Memory: 3GB
for the problem and description, it was stated in the original post. but since im quite free now, i will describe it in greater detail:
After using firefox (or just open the browser and leave it for about 5-30mins, depending on the computer's mood), i find that i cannot surf the web; the new pages are not displaying at all. A check at the network icon shows that im still connected to the net.
So, browser problem right? fine. i click on the X button, and the window closes, no visible instances of firefox running now.
then, i open another instance of firefox. it tells me that an instance is open and so it cannot open another (or something like that) and i need to restart/shut down my computer.
a check using Process Explorer shows that the firefox.exe is still running. try to kill it using Process Explorer, doesnt work. "taskkill /im <pid>" in command prompt doesnt work too. it says that the force kill signal is sent, but the app is still running.
network problem? no. other apps, including IE still works.
so, the OS unable to force kill a process is Firefox's problem?
basically, no kill = no restart = hardware off and on = not good.
honestly, just tell me how to kill a hung process, and i'll be happy.
Gordon - 29 Sep 2008 19:39 GMT > "I may be stupid because I don't get it!" > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > good > reasons throughout the thread. Have you tried Process Explorer?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 21:12 GMT yes. process explorer, taskkill /F /PID, and task manager ALL doesnt work.
> > "I may be stupid because I don't get it!" > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx Frenchy - 29 Sep 2008 19:43 GMT > "I may be stupid because I don't get it!" > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > honestly, just tell me how to kill a hung process, and i'll be happy. This is not so much a hung process, but something is holding Firefox open (as viewed as still there in Task Manager). This was a problem back in one of the iterations of v2.x. What version are you now running? 3.2.3 is the latest. Try closing some of the other tray icons that maybe holding it open. Like I found a setting in Skype that holds Outlook open in the background. It will be a third party, NOT Vista at fault
If you use Task Manager and then highlight the firefox that is still there and then click END PROCESS, you will get a warning but it should close.
Frenchy
Gordon - 29 Sep 2008 20:20 GMT > This is not so much a hung process, but something is holding Firefox open > (as viewed as still there in Task Manager). This was a problem back in > one of the iterations of v2.x. What version are you now running? 3.2.3 > is the latest. Not for 32 bit it's not. 3.0.2
Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 21:11 GMT hmm... i didnt know about that..
anyway, im using Firefox 3.0.3.. im one of those that likes to keep stuff updated.
using Task Manager, firefox.exe is listed under Processes.
im running pretty "cleanly", i think, considering that this laptop isnt the brightest bulb in the block...
my current processes are (using Process Explorer): under wininit.exe, a few svchost.exe, drivers for audio, VMware stuff, mdm.exe, antivirus, zone alarm stuff, and the usual stuff...
for those under explorer.exe... other than the usual stuff like Windows Defender, Audio ctrl panel, antivirus, synaptics touchpad, VM Hqtray i have:
zlclient.exe teatimer.exe msnmsgr.exe
Frenchy - 29 Sep 2008 22:45 GMT > hmm... i didnt know about that.. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > teatimer.exe > msnmsgr.exe Sorry, I see I had a typo in the latest Firefox version, it is 3.0.3.
Teatimer is part of Spybot Search and destroy. I am not saying it is the cause, but I would try uninstalling that part or running with that part killed and see if Firefox still hangs. With other AV stuff on board, it is probably a good idea to just run Spybot as a stand alone, say once a week and then close it down, rather than it scanning all the time.
I would really recommend you download Autoruns, it is free and will show you EVERYTHING that is starting and running.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
Frenchy
Ristar - 29 Sep 2008 23:20 GMT well, i have no problem with disabling the auto startup for teatimer, if that fixes the problem... but are there any progs that checks for registry changes, and prompts the user to allow/disallow changes real-time, like teatimer?
i'll probly try it later to see if firefox still hangs, thx for the suggestion.
> > hmm... i didnt know about that.. > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Frenchy Ristar - 08 Oct 2008 03:59 GMT it still hangs for no good reason with teatimer off.
Rendt - 29 Nov 2008 22:44 GMT Has this problem been resolved? I have exactly the same experience, primarily Firefox but also other apps going into Not responding mode, with no apparent cause (even if just loaded and left to itself). Unable to kill tasks. Tried different utilities, tried disabling anything suspect, tried numerous malware scans.
What else could I try?
Vista32 Home Premium, Firefox 3, Comodo Firewall.
> it still hangs for no good reason with teatimer off. Ristar - 30 Nov 2008 04:39 GMT
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