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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / Printing and Faxing / May 2008FAX in Vista Home Premium
Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium edition or only in the business edition. I have need for both of these features but do not want the business edition. Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite? Thanks in advance. Bob. Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as far as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.  SignatureJohn Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Shell/User Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. > Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium > edition or only in the business edition. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Bob. Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate download sometime for the other versions of Vista? > Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Thanks in advance. Bob. It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating systems. You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one. Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate instead of Premium. SignatureJohn Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Shell/User Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. > Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate download > sometime for the other versions of Vista? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very upset that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb 3. Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What are my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am not alone in this need. > It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax > software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating systems. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is all well documented. You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows Photo Gallery. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to > send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >>> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on the wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug. The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental communications tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need to be addressed and included in future service packs. > Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and > purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. You should have read the list of features in each version before you buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER been part of Premium, only Ultimate and Business. If fax software came with your modem, try installing that. Otherwise, stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose from. > Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not > helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from another party and I get only attitude. Is this a community area for regular windows users to ask questions and hopefully get some decent advise or is this only for professional types who follow software development? I haven't been following the development of Vista for a year, nor do I feel that I have to. Microsoft has a long standing goal of selling operating systems that everyone can use, and I believe I am in the group of everyone. I am not whining. Can you tell me where on the Vista box it says no fax? I also don't see it on the side by side comparison that is designed to help people make a choice. I'm not seeing it. Also, I upgraded from XP home and the problem is with Vista not working with the fax software that worked with XP. I have a Dell XPS--only five months old, but I'm sure a patch is forthcoming. > You should have read the list of features in each version before you > buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. It's detailed in the Windows Vista Product guide, which tells you everything you ever wanted to know about Vista - a large but free download from Microsoft. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823-4a12-afe1 -5b40b2ad3725&DisplayLang=en Here is the comparison we reference from CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-6687907-1.html Note the 3rd entry in the table from the bottom. > guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from > another party and I get only attitude. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I'm gonna have to side with Susan on this one. Lots of people here are quick to point out that fax isn't included with the Home Premium edition by pointing out the link, or say "you should have read the features before you bought it" but likely these are the same people that didn't even know fax was included in Windows XP and Windows 2000. Even Bill Gates said most people are going to buy Home Premium...not Business and not Ultimate. Its the average person that uses the built in fax in Windows to send the occasional fax. By removing this, they are pissing off a lot of Home Premium customers expecting that Windows Vista Home Premium is going to do everything Windows XP did, only better. > It's detailed in the Windows Vista Product guide, which tells you > everything you ever wanted to know about Vista - a large but free download [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I understand your point and am sympathetic. It seems to me, however, that the decision to upgrade one's entire OS needs to be made more carefully and thoughtfully than it often is. The feature set comparison among Vista versions is not hard to find. The fact that fax is absent in Vista Home versions is well documented on Microsoft's own site as well: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/footnotes.mspx In reality modem faxing is a feature that is used so little by most users that it was nearly eliminated entirely from both Windows XP and Vista. To my surprise, the Vista Fax module is the most useful and robust of any of the Microsoft Fax offerings so far. How reliable it is remains to be seen now that it has been released in the wild. For users like Susan who unwittingly leapt to Vista Home expecting it still to have fax capabilities, they can still purchase a standalone fax machine for less than the cost differential between Vista Home and Ultimate. Caveat emptor. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > I'm gonna have to side with Susan on this one. Lots of people here are > quick to point out that fax isn't included with the Home Premium edition [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. For the cost of jumping to Ultimate from home, you can buy one of those HP All-in-one inkjets that scan/fax/print/copy. (once they have the drivers updated that is LOL) Jeff >I understand your point and am sympathetic. It seems to me, however, that >the decision to upgrade one's entire OS needs to be made more carefully and [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. And I'd like to point out: The specs say "Windows Fax and Scan" is not available in the home edition. What IS "Windows Fax and Scan"? The description says that it "makes faxing easier". It does NOT say that faxing doesn't work without it. The argument "you should have read the specs" presumes that somewhere the specs say "you will not be able to fax with the Home edition". > I understand your point and am sympathetic. It seems to me, however, that > the decision to upgrade one's entire OS needs to be made more carefully and [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. It is all very clear when you read the fine print. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > And I'd like to point out: > [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. We use Aloaha FAX Suite (www.aloaha.com) and are pretty happy with that! > And I'd like to point out: > [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I with Susan on this one as well. I looked at the same lists as she and so many others have. Who knew that you had to look deeper in the maze of microsoft.com to find yet another list which included "no fax." I thought I was upgrading...to me that means more and better added on to what you already have. Beyond the fax situation, I have issues now with printing a website document that says, "PRINT" and with Norton IS. If I could blink my eyes and bring back XP, I would! > I'm gonna have to side with Susan on this one. Lots of people here are > quick to point out that fax isn't included with the Home Premium edition by [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I am a printer guy so I don't fax. When I have to, I am worthless around one. None the less there are plenty of people who are good at this function. I contacted one of the Fax guys who was around when the decision for where fax lives was finalized. The developers and project managers of Fax want fax on every version of Windows that is shipped. Marketing group had a difference of opinion and won the contest. There was lots of discussion but in the end devs lost this battle. " This was always a controversial topic and tons of discussion took place around this subject. It was always seen as a very valuable asset to sell to small businesses and this influenced the SKU decision making. At some point there was going to be a small biz SKU and that is where fax had the most value. " SignatureAlan Morris Windows Printing Team Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from > another party and I get only attitude. [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. That's the version I heard as well. The Fax Developers put a ton of work into this module and it shows. I hate it when marketing wins, but they almost always do. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] >I am a printer guy so I don't fax. When I have to, I am worthless around >one. None the less there are plenty of people who are good at this [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I too like Susan and others am *extremely* disappointed that Vista Premium doesn't have Fax capability. Why? Because I can not believe an OS that is supposed to be an "improvement" over XP would actually take functions AWAY from the user. And at a 160% higher cost over previous OS', you certainly shouldn't expect to get less functions than what the previous OS had. (And no, I don't want to buy a space-hogging fax machine. I got rid of the one I had because I COULD fax from my computer.) I just don't believe a new OS should cost more -- and have less. It should build on the previous version's capabilities and only go upwards from there, not take them away. Dave > That's the version I heard as well. The Fax Developers put a ton of work > into this module and it shows. I hate it when marketing wins, but they [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > >>> >>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. > I am a printer guy so I don't fax. When I have to, I am worthless around > one. None the less there are plenty of people who are good at this [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. FWIW: I also was _extremely_disappointed_ to see that MS did not include a simple fax program in Home Premium. Faxing with XP kept me paperless. Now I am using an AIO printer for faxes. Why? For the same reason I have to use a USB mouse instead of my wireless mouse: too many programs and peripheals *-DON'T work with Vista-*. Hard to believe it's been out for a year... Just my opinion... It sure would be nice to see a "simple" fax program (like the one in XP) come out in a Vista SP like Windows Movie Maker did for XP. =?Utf-8?B?U3VzYW4=?=;86083 Wrote: > guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution > from [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose > from. Signaturesimrick405 > FWIW: I also was _extremely_disappointed_ to see that MS did not include > a simple fax program in Home Premium. Faxing with XP kept me paperless. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> > stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose >> from. Snappy Fax works well apparently.. cheap too.. http://www.snappysoftware.com/ Most complained about Windows Fax in earlier Windows and either used BVRP or WinFax Pro.. SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx Many to choose from? None is more like it. Please advise me of a fax program that works with Vista... D > You should have read the list of features in each version before you > buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. How about snappyfax? You wanted to know how to view your old faxes. I told you. That was your only question. The rest was just a rant. I've always been puzzled by users' expectation that Windows should provide reliable, robust fax software as part of the OS. Microsoft has done little to create that expectation since the software it has provided is neither reliable nor robust. Most users who need to fax purchase a third party product, which you are certainly free to do. I can assure you the fax feature will not be added back into the basic versions of Vista in some sort of Service Pack, if that's what you're asking. Features for each version were set long ago. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not > helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I'd like you to look at this page and comment. scroll down to where it says "what programs have changed" specifically in reference to windows fax console and fax and scan: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/help/93929171-8e24-1e6a-cf68-b48e b22073611033.mspx and please note the words at the top of the page which state "Applies to all editions of Windows Vista." > You wanted to know how to view your old faxes. I told you. That was your > only question. The rest was just a rant. I've always been puzzled by users' [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. Let it go , Susan. Next time, ask about the feature you want in a particular vesrion in a newsgroup BEFORE you buy. Lots of beta testers lurk here and can answer you questions. > I'd like you to look at this page and comment. scroll down to where it says > "what programs have changed" specifically in reference to windows fax [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob. Not sure why you want me to comment. I have nothing to do with Microsoft. If you feel you were deliberately deceived by Microsoft's marketing, then your issue is with them, not me. You may well have a legitimate complaint based on what you saw and what you read. All I know is that when I did my research on version specific features, it was pretty clear to me which versions included fax: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/footnotes.mspx SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > I'd like you to look at this page and comment. scroll down to where it > says [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. On Feb 16, 12:55 am, "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure why you want me to comment. I have nothing to do with Microsoft. If > you feel you were deliberately deceived by Microsoft's marketing, then your [quoted text clipped - 162 lines] > > >> >> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob. I see.... Well lots of friends 're waiting for information on this annoying fax mater... So, according to all above comments, we should not upgrade to vista home premium. We'd better stay with our xp OS. XP supports fax.... :) I just downloaded Snappy Fax from their web site. 30 day free trial using the full program and support. It's got more bells and whistles than the WinFax Pro program that I was using with XP. It also is Vista compatible. Cost to buy? About thirty bucks, I believe. Regards Barry P.S. Although I was also surprised that a fax program was not included in the Home Premium. Why they dropped it is a mystery to me. > On Feb 16, 12:55 am, "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" > <russ...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > supports fax.... > :) >I just downloaded Snappy Fax from their web site. 30 day free trial using >the full program and support. It's got more bells and whistles than the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > P.S. Although I was also surprised that a fax program was not included > in the Home Premium. Why they dropped it is a mystery to me. They didn't included fax because its one of the small things that will irritate people into wanting the better version. I think it adds up to money. Microsoft found a way to sell their most expensive OS to everyone; even folks who buy a new computer. New systems will probably come preloaded with Home Basic or Premium and everyone will want to upgrade. MS gets to sell the half baked OS to manufacturers and make even more when everyone upgrades. -Cedrick Try to load a old DOS Skyglobe version on Vista. KO! Try to send a fax. KO! I am annoyed, I think I will return to my old XP or perhaps I will install Linux. joe I agree with Susan. I need Microsoft Fax. I can't believe MS left it out of Home Premium. Total BS. As for the Know It All, why post your smart a$$ remarks on here? To continue to warn those who are considering updating to Vista to read the fine print before they do. Those users who most frequently use the Windows Fax product will now be left without it if they don't. Users for whom faxing is important should stay with XP. I see a lot of folks who rush to the latest releases just assuming it will be better or have more features--not always true. It is not realistic to post here and expect anyone here to be able to provide a solution for this issue. Microsoft does not monitor these groups, but it may still be reasonable to post your individual protest and leave it at that. Sometimes they do "mine the data" here when considering future policies. I can't help but wonder that they aren't a bit surprised by finding out how many people actually used and valued the fax module. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] >I agree with Susan. I need Microsoft Fax. I can't believe MS left it out >of > Home Premium. Total BS. As for the Know It All, why post your smart a$$ > remarks on here? >Microsoft does not monitor these groups, >but it may still be reasonable to post your individual protest I would certainly like to add my comments to the others. As has been said before, it is unreasonable to expect "upgraders" to read all the fine print, one expects more features in new system, not fewer. I won't be advising any of my clients to upgrade their PCs until Microsoft comes up with a solution. SignatureNigel M Just to be perfectly clear, I am an end user just like everyone else here. I do not represent Microsoft in any way and know no more about its internal operations than you do. I do know they do not monitor these groups directly. It is only an assumption on my part that they might "mine the data" that resides here. Microsoft is a very savvy company. It would surprise me greatly if they did not, but perhaps they don't. For those who keep trying to bash me for my "RTFM" comments I have no apologies. Everyone here is an adult capable of making competent purchase decisions. Decisions to update an OS should be made carefully and deliberately. Since I need Fax I chose a version of Vista that provided it. Do the same or stay with XP. As I have said from the beginning, I understand the pain from those who have been less careful. The fault is not entirely theirs. The fact that Fax has been removed from Vista Home versions is documented, but only enough to satisfy a lawyer (I always consider lawyers the lowest common denominator. That's an occupational hazard for any physician): Look! There it is! It's in footnote (ixivvi). No way am I going to be the one to organize a protest. If I were, I would follow Nigel's lead, only in a new thread each time to ensure the best chance of being picked up by a search engine. Preceding the Subject with the word "Protest" as Nigel did will also enable those of us trying to provide real help move on to threads where we can actually do so. IMHO, Microsoft needs to bring its marketing department up to speed. This is certainly one case where they have missed the mark by a very wide margin. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > >>Microsoft does not monitor these groups, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I won't be advising any of my clients to upgrade their PCs until > Microsoft comes up with a solution. As a loyal Microsoft customer I find it very sad to read all the MVP replies. A basic rule of marketing is "the customer is always right". I am a long-time customer, and I feel like I have been ripped off when a feature which was available in Windows XP is no longer available in the regular (or "cheap" if you like) versions of Windows Vista. You can say as long as you want "read the fine-prints", "if you had downloaded the large but free product manual you would have seen that". However I do not read the fine prints of any product I buy. I did read the comparison table at the Windows Vista home page, and it said nothing about faxing. I have never planned to read a "large but free" manual before making a choice of which version to buy. You are calling the customers' complaints "bitching". This is very insulting. It really feels like talking to a monopoly - "who cares what the customer thinks, you should have known better." I know you guys are not working for Microsoft, but you are holding a title given by it and you do represent Microsoft in this newsgroup. This is not the kind of attitude I am expecting to see from MVPs. You can be helpful, link to alternative fax programs. If you can't be helpful, you can just not reply. On Mar 17, 2:49 pm, "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russ...@gmail.com> wrote: > To continue to warn those who are considering updating to Vista to read the > fine print before they do. Those users who most frequently use the WindowsFaxproduct will now be left without it if they don't. Users for whom faxing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You seem not understand USENET, public newsgroups, and the role of MVP's. The mere fact that you would include MVP's in the same sentence with "rule of marketing" testifies to that lack of understanding. Read more thoroughly and think more carefully before you post your accusations. SignatureRuss Valentine [MVP-Outlook] > As a loyal Microsoft customer I find it very sad to read all the MVP > replies. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > You seem not understand USENET, public newsgroups, and the role of MVP's. > The mere fact that you would include MVP's in the same sentence with "rule [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >> > >> - Show quoted text - Thank you for the information. I have been trying unsuccessfully (now I know why) to get the fax to work on our VISTA PC (with Home Premium). At least now I know not to waste more time. By the way, we bought the new VISTA PC because our XP PC crashed (burnt out motherboard we were told) the end of January. We were informed the VISTA would have the basic XP items plus be faster/better etc. In the past, we have been one of the last to buy a new item. Again, thank you for the information and taking time to inform us. > You seem not understand USENET, public newsgroups, and the role of MVP's. > The mere fact that you would include MVP's in the same sentence with "rule [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >> > >> - Show quoted text - Fax and scan will not work with Vista Home Premium. All microsoft wants you to do is spend a lot of extra dollars for ultimate. By the wau Home Premium should be just that -- Premium -- If you need a fax program that works fine with Vista Home Premium try the fax program Snappy Fax you can find it online and try it free for 30 days and if you like it the cost is $29.95. I wouldn't give Microsoft another dime if I didn't have to. kayden > Thank you for the information. I have been trying unsuccessfully (now I know > why) to get the fax to work on our VISTA PC (with Home Premium). At least [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > >> > > >> - Show quoted text - I found a great one here http://www.rkssoftware.com/index.html , the RKS Fax is working great on Vista Home Premium. It places a fax choice in the print options. Any program Word, Publisher, etc. I just choose RKS Fax for printer, and it works. SignatureMichael A Bolesny > Fax and scan will not work with Vista Home Premium. All microsoft wants you > to do is spend a lot of extra dollars for ultimate. By the wau Home Premium [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > > >> > > > >> - Show quoted text - :::: I also agree with Susan, about not being able to fax with Vista Home Premium, especially when you consider that Windows XP had this capability. One would naturally expect an upgraded version - that has "Premium" in its name - to have a capability that was basic with Windows XP. (I purchased a new DELL laptop XPS with Vista Home Premium.) To add to the confusion technicians at DELL & HP didn't know about this problem when asked about compatibility issues pertaining to Vista before the purchase and afterwards when I spoke to the DELL Technicians about this issue. Supposedly DELL has come out with a new patch to allow faxing with Vista Home Premium. You have to check their website for the appropriate driver. SignatureNYCLatinLefty http://forums.techarena.in I contacted Dell support and was told that Windows Vista Premium does not have fax software. I checked the internet for third party software that is supposed to work with Vista and found "RKS fax"at http://www.rkssoftware.com/rksfax/overview.html I don't know how well it works not having tried it yet. Anybody tried it out who would care to comment on it? > :::: > I also agree with Susan, about not being able to fax with Vista Home [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Vista Home Premium. You have to check their website for the > appropriate driver. > Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium > edition or only in the business edition. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Bob. |
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