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Problem re-installing Vista Ultimate OEM after formatting HDD
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Radical Ronald - 25 Mar 2008 03:06 GMT I had to format my HDD and re-instal Vista Ultimate OEM... it wont install. Gets to the final stages of install and then just never completes it. Does anyone know what I need to do to get my media centre working again?
PaxeSalute - 25 Mar 2008 08:03 GMT I have similar problem and I am desesperate , It's been the 4th time I am trying to install Vista x64 and after reformat the Partition where I want to install it during installation when PC restart for configuration Vista stays for hours on the load screen (the one with just the name of microsoft and the bar with some kind of green think moving from one side to the other of the bar). In each installation I always put No authomatic registry because I was worry of not being able to reinstall if some problem occurs (wasn't wrong!)
So now I am thinking: - Is it possible that after the third time using the DVD to install it some kind of security pf Microsoft is bloking the next installation????? When activation is on authomatic it says that it will regitry after 3 days, I haven't put on authomatic, but my first intent of installation was 3 days ago!!! - Could my HDD get damaged for so much formating????? - Should I also reset CMOS before next intent of installation?????
-first install worked for about an hour and a Half I had time to install Battelfield 2 play few minutes on the Multiplayer (few minutes only because each time I was connecting to a server after few minute I got expluse by a Punkbuster message), I installed NOD32 (the version I have i use it on XP Pro and Vista x32) I reboot as the program ask for I've got a blue screen (for few second could not catch the text) and after that Vista will load only in Safe Mod with Network, I first desintall NOD32 thinking it was a compatibity problem with X64 but Vista will load untill first screen and after that stay with a black screen for for than 15 mn (reset PC after this period) and when it load further after black screen comes again the blue one. I decide to Reformat from XP the Partition where I install Vista x64 and install again, - this time (second time) the pleasure was for less than an hour, when I switch to Crossfire Mod that same problem again, blue screen and only Safe Mod will load fine, Because in this mod you can not access the catalist to unable Crossfire, I decide to do my third installation of Vista. But this time No NOD32, NO Crossfire and less than 10 minutes came again the blue screen. Weird! In the event log I notice an error standing for a Symantec Software problem, but I do not have any Symantec program installed, the ones coming with the different disc of device I did not install them!
any solution you know about.
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John Barnes - 25 Mar 2008 14:39 GMT You can hit F8 during the last load and see if safe or low resolution mode works. If so, you can load your latest video drivers either there or at the load drivers button where you select the drive to install on. The location you describe is the driver loading and video is the most likely
> I have similar problem and I am desesperate , It's been the 4th time I > am trying to install [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > any solution you know about. John Barnes - 26 Mar 2008 00:37 GMT Does make it tricky, but yes it would be just after the POST. You could just go ahead and try the drivers at the load drivers, depending on where you are.
> You can hit F8 during the last load and see if safe or low resolution mode > works. If so, you can load your latest video drivers either there or at [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> any solution you know about. PaxeSalute - 26 Mar 2008 04:15 GMT John,
So I tried the "F8" and successfully the screen with the different booting options, but with none of one I got vista to load completely, having the same symptom same black screen with green bar for more than 10 minutes. with some option after getting to this screen there was no more activity from the system (front light with no activity) with some other same screen but system light was staying still. Also try with a recovery disc I've got the ISO on the web, to try to repair, it loaded but no better result, just that some kind of report first was mentioning: "Could not find L:\Sources\Install.wim error code 0x80070002" L being my DVD writer.
Also After intent of repair option I had a nother message mentioning:"May be I connected a New device such as External Audio device, desconect on try again" actually yes between the third and 4th intent of iinstallation I connected a 5.1 Speaker system while I was on Windows XP my first OS on this dual boot PC.
Si I am trying to think with the poor knowledge on PC. I notice when I format the Partition on second HDD where Vista was first installed and got BSoD that the first HDD has some spacde occupated on first Partition C (on this 1st HDD I have on second Partition Windows XP PRo Sp2 installed). So I suppose the Booting Files of Vista were installed on C and have a problem which do not allow Vista to completly load.
I was thinking to Reformat also this partition C but I suposes the Boot Files there must be also mixed with Boot file of Windows XP, so if I format I 'won't be able to boot also with the XP OS.
What do you think from your expertise? Win XP is working just great and I have it full installed with all drivers and everything is working fine, I 'd rather not loose this fact.
Is there a way to eliminate in C: all Boot files corresponding to Vista to do a full clean installation, with-out spoiling my XP?
Thks in advance for your answer
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John Barnes - 26 Mar 2008 14:22 GMT If you got the error message while using the recovery disk, the file mentioned is left off as that is the install image. You are still in the driver area, so you are going to have to determine which driver is hanging your install. Is this a first time install (were you able to ever install on the current machine)?. If so, think about any hardware you added since the successful install. If this is a new install and the machine hasn't had a successful install, the safest approach is to disconnect as much hardware during the install as you can. Start with USB devices. Wireless mouse and keyboard are notorious. Use a PS2 or at least a connected to the MOBO pair. With no USB devices , do you have any PCI or PCI-e devices. What are they? Rarely a problem, but consider them if you can't install after removing the USB devices. Everything can be installed back after you get a successful install, except the ram which requires a hotfix before you can add back to 4 gig or more. Make sure you have 2 gig of ram or less installed in the computer during the install. Personally, I would add the latest video driver at the load driver button screen where you select the installation location. Any windows install will put the boot files on the 'system' drive and you are having no problems with booting, as your problems come after Windows has started and before it moves from the loading stage into the desktop and program loading stage. Post your computer specs as they may help someone spot a specific problem area.
> John, > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Thks in advance for your answer PaxeSalute - 25 Mar 2008 23:51 GMT Thank you John,
I will try the F8 tonight and keep you inform if it worked. I suppose I'll have to wait BIOS finishes to post since it offers also a "F8" option to select the Boot drive.
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PaxeSalute - 26 Mar 2008 18:56 GMT Thks John,
To answer your questions: -[Is this a first time install] No I already installed it twice on this machine but each time it works for 1 hour and after give me a BSoD (to fast to read before rebooting) but it was allowing me to get in Safe Mode w/ Network.
-[Start with USB devices. Wireless mouse and keyboard are notorious] actually yes since the first install I have an USB mouse & keyboard I will try to install with PS/2 Keyboard unfortunatly this MoBo has only one but I think I can mange the installation without a Mouse.
[do you have any PCI or PCI-e devices] Yes 2 PCI-E Graphic card.
-[Make sure you have 2 gig of ram ] actually I have 8GB installed and I already did a Memtest overnight and no error appeared. I will try also with just a stick of 2GB or 2 of 2GB because there are in dual channel so I am not sure that I have to put minimum 2 stick. Note that since first install (when it worked for an hour) I had the 8gb and Vista recognized them,I will try if eliminating USB device option does not allow me to load.
[hotfix before you can add back to 4 gig or more.] actually I already download this fix on my Laptop because I read about this problem on the forum. So I will apply a.s.a. Vista load successfully. Evenso I do not think that the original problem of BSoD was due to this problem because in the first hour Vista worked it Updates completly (I think some 60 update files were loaded)
[Post your computer specs ] Here they are: MB: ASUS P5K-E WIFI AP 775 BIOS: Beta V 1006 CPU: INTEL Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping Kentsfield 2.40GHz 8MB L2 LGA 775 RAM: 8 gb = OCZ Vista Upgrade 4GB(2x2GB) DDR2-800 CL 5-6-6-18 Dual Channel Kit Video 1 : MSI Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDMI HDCP & CrossFire Video 2 : MSI Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDMI HDCP & CrossFire HD 1 : Maxtor 160GB SATA 3.0GB HD 2 : Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s DVD : LiteOn DVD Writer 20x Lightscribe Sata Case: Raidmax Ninja ATXN819WBP PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 750W OS 1 : Win XP PRO Sp2 on HD1 OS 2 : Vista Home Pre 64 bits (Not installed yet) Monitor : Samsung SyncMaster 226WB connected to DVI
Thank you very much for your time and your great help
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John Barnes - 26 Mar 2008 22:05 GMT If it starts for you, as you now state, there are two things you might try. 1. Turn off automatic restart. That way you will see the BSOD screen with the code and error message that you can google or look up in the KB or post back here. System Properties/advanced/startup and uncheck auto restart. 2. Turn off updates. You may be getting a bad driver during the install or after the install that causes the BSOD when it is installed. I did have that problem on an nVidia chipset driver. You can manually go to Windows update and select the non-driver updates, then do any driver updates one at a time. You can then back out any that cause problems. I would suspect the Radeon driver from WU and would not install one if available from there. Download the latest one from ATI directly and install it. Radeon drivers included in Vista have caused many installs to abort. WU drivers are often older versions.
In answer to your first item, that you can get into safe mode, which loads minimal drivers, points very strongly that you have a driver problem.
I wouldn't worry about taking out ram as that is applicable to certain boards and as you have stated you got it to install once with all 8gig installed. Also, you can probably use a usb mouse connected directly to the MOBO with no problem.
> Thks John, > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Thank you very much for your time and your great help PaxeSalute - 26 Mar 2008 23:41 GMT hi John, Thank you so much. Just about your last message [If it starts for you, as you now state, there are two things you might try] that was the first and second time I did the full installation, since than I tried to install it 3 more times and each time Vista won't load, neither in Safe mod or any other option appearing after pressing "F8". So I have to try again: 1) Reformat through XP the Partition where Vista was installed 2) Try to Install again with no USB Keyboard to see if I can pass the Vista loading screen. 3) If successfull follow your indication regarding disabling Auto-Update and Automatic restart after BSoD. In this part I not so sure how to detect which Update could put me again in trouble? Should I install them one by one and as soon as I get another BSoD restart in Safe mode and un-install the last update and jump to the next one to install, and surf on the net and forums to see what the BSoD code error is standing for?
I will keep you inform.
Thks and sorry to bother you so much, but it is really frustrating to not be able to make your inversion working as it should.
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John Barnes - 27 Mar 2008 00:31 GMT I would install all the critical updates and all important updates except the driver updates when you get installed. I would install the video drivers. Reboot and then look at the driver updates. There probably won't be more than a couple. I would use the machine and see if you have any problems. You can install these later, 1 at a time. With regards to your installs. What changed between your 2 successful and the unsuccessful installs? Since the Vista install disk didn't change, something changed with either your equipment or the procedures you used to do the install.
At the select partition to install on, it sounds like you are using advanced, and reformatting the partition you select, correct?
> hi John, > Thank you so much. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thks and sorry to bother you so much, but it is really frustrating to > not be able to make your inversion working as it should. PaxeSalute - 27 Mar 2008 01:32 GMT John Barnes;663037 Wrote:
> I > With regards to your installs. What changed between your 2 successful [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > On the 4th Intent yesterday night I actually unplug the speaker system > and did not get better result.
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John Barnes - 27 Mar 2008 02:59 GMT That brings up a question about how you did a full format. Vista only does a quick format when format is selected. The speakers shouldn't be a problem unless you installed a sound card or activated a sound card in the BIOS
> John Barnes;663037 Wrote: >> I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> On the 4th Intent yesterday night I actually unplug the speaker system >> and did not get better result. PaxeSalute - 27 Mar 2008 04:25 GMT John Barnes;663169 Wrote:
> That brings up a question about how you did a full format. Vista only > does [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Any think you can use to discover my problem in all this codes?
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John Barnes - 27 Mar 2008 13:06 GMT This is the first time I remember you mentioning that you are dual booting this computer. Could you go into Disk Management and provide the information about each disk and partition thereon. Disk 0 Basic or Dynamic Partition 1. Empty (system, active, primary partition etc.) Where are your XP boot files located (ntldr, ntdetect.com and boot.ini) Are you changing boot priority in the BIOS, either from within the BIOS or on a temporary basis for the install (or disconnecting the XP drive). Also, could you give the type of each drive. (mainly, there have been install problems with a mix of IDE and SATA drives) How is your boot priority set in the BIOS
Incidentally, I would use the format option in advanced options on the screen where you select the partition to load Vista. If you could also try deleting and recreating then formatting the partition you are going to install Vista on from the install DVD so there is a clean NTFS partition in Vista format.
On which reboot are you getting the 'load screen' and what do you mean exactly. Are you to the load screen on the final boot with the scrolling bar. Please describe what is on the 'load screen' Is it the first boot to the HD after the boot to the DVD?
> John Barnes;663169 Wrote: >> That brings up a question about how you did a full format. Vista only [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Any think you can use to discover my problem in all this codes? PaxeSalute - 27 Mar 2008 21:37 GMT Good Morning John, you don't know how much I appreciate your time and help.
about your last message:
: This is the first time I remember you mentioning that you are dual booting this computer Wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > > > > > Thks again for your great help. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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John Barnes - 28 Mar 2008 02:48 GMT Have you gotten the AHCI driver from the Intel website for 64-bit Vista?
You might read a thread from 3/13/2008 VISTA Premium 64-bit OEM will not find my Western Digital SATA HD
I am unable to get your picture, but I understood you got into the Install Windows, far enough to select the partition to install on. After that Vista should begin loading the files from the DVD to the HD. There should be a progress bar and at this point no video drivers should be involved beyond the default ones. If you are hanging at this point it could be a driver conflict writing to the HD. Have you checked from your XP system to see what has been written to the drive? The way you are set up, the active primary partition on drive1 would be where the boot records are written, so look at your drive and see if the boot records are at least there. The second part would be to write the image file for Vista64 to the selected partition if it is empty, otherwise it would consolidate whatever is there into a .old file an then write the image file. If there are any boot files from a previous failed install you may also want to delete them. It would not hurt to repair the MBR also from the command prompt. Bootrec.exe /FixMbr
>> I notice that when I get in DOS Command Prompt through the Installation >> Disc of Vista repair option; the system does not respect the letter of >> partition as you will see on the Notepad File, since C: becomes the >> Partition of OS Vista 64. Is this normal? If Vista is installed from the DVD it will always show itself as on the C drive. If installed from the desktop of another compatible Windows, it will assume the same letter that is shown in That operating system.
>> > :How is your boot priority set in the BIOS Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > |Download: http://vista64.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3231| > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ PaxeSalute - 28 Mar 2008 05:28 GMT Hi John,
: Have you gotten the AHCI driver from the Intel website for 64-bit Vista? Wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > partition sharing Boot file and Paging File. And actually it is empty,no > > > file at all. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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John Barnes - 28 Mar 2008 15:31 GMT The three files are there or XP would not boot. They are system files and are hidden unless you either unhide them in folder options or include system and hidden files in search.
Windows 64-bit versions (XP or Vista) do not run 16-bit programs. Unfortunately, some 32-bit programs still have 16-bit installers. This may be just a logging of what it was trying to do.
Since you have installed this 2 times, you need to concentrate on any changes you made. When you have disk1 as first in the Boot priority in the BIOS, that is the HD whose MBR is used to determine the partition that is active. Based on one of your comments, it seems that maybe the K partition may be your active one. Since you want your boot files on D, you want that active. Also, the paging file does not disappear on shutdown. It also is a system file and you should delete it if you are going to use D as your boot drive. Based on your memory, I would suggest you increase the size of the paging file partitions.
When installing you could leave disk0 as the first in boot priority and the Vista boot files would install where the XP boot files are installed. Some like having independently bootable Drives.
Use the descriptions of drives in working on your system since as you have seen, drive letters can be different in each area you look. There is no reason not to make one of your Vista partitions as active and have the boot records installed there. Since you haven't sent the info from the Disk manager, just use the info I provided, looking for your active primary partition. For some reason there have been a number of posts where Vista shows both a primary and extended partition as active. The only way they seem to have solved problems created is to delete and recreate the extended partition.
> Hi John, > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > |Download: http://vista64.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3241| > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ PaxeSalute - 28 Mar 2008 20:44 GMT Good Morning John,
: The three files are there or XP would not boot. They are system files and are hidden unless you either unhide them in folder options or include system and hidden files in search Wrote: > . [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > > > > > > > Thks again +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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John Barnes - 29 Mar 2008 00:32 GMT You can look for the three files on the 'active' primary partition on Disk0. Easy to find is look in Disk Management. The partition which says 'system' in the partition information ( ) at the bottom area of each partition of the lower portion. That partition is the one that the ntldr file as well as the other two are on the root of.
The disk that is first in boot priority in the BIOS is the one that is used for the MBR, which looks to find the 'active' partition on that drive to use the boot record to initiate the call to the bootloader program (ntldr for XP).
Disk management is located as follows Start/all programs (programs in XP) /administrative tools/computer management. On the computer management panel that loads (it will probably have to configure itself if this is the first time) Disk Management is on of the items on the left panel. Click on it (will probably also have to configure). The top area will list all your partitions with the info in ( ) The one that says 'system' when you are booted into XP is where you will find your XP boot files. It will also be the only active partition on the drive0. The bottom section shows how those partitions are laid out on each drive.
Boot records are loaded on the system partition. This is the first drive (0) in boot priority in the BIOS and is the active primary partition on that drive. If you have your 'XP' drive first in boot priority, the active primary partition on it would be where the boot records are installed. This is the case whether you install the operating system on the "XP' drive or on the 'Vista' drive. Either way they would be on the 'XP' active partition. If you have your 'Vista' drive as first in boot priority as you have been doing when installing Vista, you would write the Vista boot records on the active primary partition of the 'Vista' drive.
If you change the active partition on your 'Vista' drive to the partition you plan on installing your Vista on, either J or K per the notepad you sent, then you will avoid any possible conflict with the paging file of XP. While in Disk Management, right click on either partition in the bottom section and select 'Mark partition as active'
Vista boot records and XP boot records can share the same partition, but the boot partition record can only point to one bootloader.
Since you have decided to have the boot records for Vista on the 'Vista' drive, after you have changed the active partition on the 'Vista' drive from your XP system, per the above, change your boot priority to the 'Vista' drive after your DVD drive as you are currently doing. See if that gets you back to being able to install Vista. If not, do the fixmbr command I had in the last post, while the 'Vista' drive is still first in hd boot priority and then try again.
I don't have a partition to do a trial install of Vista on at the moment, but if the picture you sent is from just after you select the partition to install on, the problem could easily be due to trying to write the boot records on the partition with no room as it has your XP page file on it.
You have XP currently installed and there is no reason that I can think of to change any of the partitions you have currently set up except to change the active partition on the 'Vista' drive. Also remember you will have an 8 gig hiberfil set up if you have hibernation set in the BIOS and Vista and/or XP for each system. Glad to see you named your systems so you can identify them when they get different letters in the various systems you have installed.
> Good Morning John, > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > |Download: http://vista64.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3247| > +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ PaxeSalute - 31 Mar 2008 19:29 GMT Hello John,
I would like to thank you very much for your help, I finally was able to Install Vista Home Pre x64 and run it, at this time I have it with Sp1 installed. For the experience to other End-user, I'd like to explain what I did and also mention some issues I am still having.
I finally decide to switch HDD Mode to IDE instead of HACI for the installation of Vista on my DICS1, with success Vista restarted and Load and I was able to Configurate it. I put my DISC0 (where I have Windows XP install and its BOOT Files on first partition as primary HDD. So Vista Installed also its BOOT Files on the same partition of DISC0, after restarting and BIOS Post immadiatly came the Dual Boot option screen. Installed 2 Stand Alone Update from Microsoft for Thread with System with more than 3GB RAM: 'Error message when you try to install Windows Vista on a computer that uses more than 3 GB of RAM: \"STOP 0x0000000A\"' (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929777)
After that I switched back to AHCI mode with previously change in the register: 'Error message when you start a Windows Vista-based computer after you change the SATA mode of the boot drive: \"STOP 0x0000007B INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE\"' (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976) and installed My Mobo ICH9 for AHCI Drivers.
After that when I started Vista again, by itself some software recognized the HDD and DVD Writer as new Hardware and ran somekind of application to prepare the HDDs for new mode.
After that I install all Vista Updates (through automatic software) and also SP1.
I still have some issues: - If Restart PC from Vista, the BIOS does not detect my Primary Sata HDD so, so BIOS post ends with Failure Boot screen. I have to switch off the PC and switch on again to allow BIOS to detect DISC0.
- Vista takes a very long time to Load, much more than any other PC I've owned or worked with.
- DISC0 does not appears in Vista Explorer, neither in Device Manager, nor Disk Management.
- Vista installed an update, included in its automatics update, of ATI drivers v8.41 and when I install the Catalyst software from Graphic Card installation disc I was able to configure my Video but once I put Crossfire on a BSoD appears. I had to desintall from Safe Mode to be able to start Vista again with no BSoD. I than install from web page the last Catalyst, but now none of ATI application open, so I had to configurate Resolution through Vista Desktop application, but I am not able to switch on Crossfire, nor adjust quality since ATI Catalyst applications won't open.
Everything works well and at first time, under Windows XP Pro Sp2 x32, so I think all these threads are due to Vista.
But, beside these 3 threads I was able to use my PC and Run Games for hours with no problem except some little square appearing in the game (I do not know how yo call that) so video quality is not at its best but it is just a small detail after spend 2 weeks to build my PC and 7 installation intents of Vista x64.
Thank you very much again for your time and the great help you brought me.
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