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Activation Hell

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Guido - 26 Jun 2007 20:53 GMT
Hello,

I installed yesterday Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit and activated it right
after.
Everything looked good.

Today I saw that the system thinks I have to Activate in 2 Days!!

I tried over the Internet but Vista said, my key where allready registered.
So I called Microsoft and aktivated again.

Curious i began to explore the System Logs and i found in the Information
logs all 5 Minutes

Source Security-Licensing-SLC 1025 and 1024

Message: Hardware Changed and Activation Greed Time.

After searching and trying I found out that this message disapears when i
turn on my external USB-Disk!!!!!!

But as soon i Turn of the external USB-Disk i get again this messages and
i'm pretty sure i need soon to call Microsoft again for re-activation!!

Please Fix that bug!
Mac - 27 Jun 2007 01:10 GMT
Yeah that sucks, there must be a solution to that! Will cross post it to
general community newsgroup where more folks are active and maybe someone
will find you an answer... I can imagine quite a few will relish discussing
this...

> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Please Fix that bug!
Peter Foldes - 27 Jun 2007 01:31 GMT
If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista with the USB HD turned off it will detect a change and this goes for when you open with the ESB HD.

To avoid this activate with the USB HD connected and on and leave it on. If you shut it off and then you boot without it being on you will go through the same cycle. One or the other.

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> Yeah that sucks, there must be a solution to that! Will cross post it to
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>> Please Fix that bug!
NotMe - 27 Jun 2007 02:09 GMT
So with Vista, normal computer useage requires reactivation. Why doesn't
that surprise me?

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If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista detects a
hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista with the USB HD
turned off it will detect a change and this goes for when you open with the
ESB HD.

To avoid this activate with the USB HD connected and on and leave it on. If
you shut it off and then you boot without it being on you will go through
the same cycle. One or the other.

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> Yeah that sucks, there must be a solution to that! Will cross post it to
> general community newsgroup where more folks are active and maybe someone
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>>
>> Please Fix that bug!
Michael Solomon - 27 Jun 2007 03:57 GMT
> So with Vista, normal computer useage requires reactivation. Why doesn't
> that surprise me?

I have three external hard drives, one I didn't own when I initially install
Vista and is of a different hardware type than the other two and those two
weren't turned on when I activated and I've never gotten a prompt from Vista
when I turn any of them on or whether or not I boot with any of them on.  To
be clear however, I don't have an OEM version of Vista but I'm not sure that
should make a difference either.

If you're running Vista, you already would have mentioned such an issue if
it was happening to you.

I don't have any idea what is causing it to trigger activation and it's
possible Peter's solution might otherwise allow the OP to run "normal" as
you put it because if the devices are turned off, it won't make any
difference and if they are turned on and the system was activated with those
devices recognized initially, then he probably won't have any more trouble.

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The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy - 27 Jun 2007 04:44 GMT
> If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista
> detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> it on. If you shut it off and then you boot without it being on
> you will go through the same cycle. One or the other.

OK, that's too much.  Not even MS is that stupid to build activation to
behave so, at least I have a hard time swallowing it.  That has to be a
bug.  I can't imagine that they would build it that way by design.  They
would totally be shooting themselves in the foot by doing it this way.

> > Yeah that sucks, there must be a solution to that! Will cross post
it to
> > general community newsgroup where more folks are active and maybe
someone
> > will find you an answer... I can imagine quite a few will relish
discussing
> > this...
> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I installed yesterday Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit and activated
it right
>> >> after.
>> >> Everything looked good.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> >>
>> >> Curious i began to explore the System Logs and i found in the
Information
>> >> logs all 5 Minutes
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> >>
>> >> After searching and trying I found out that this message
disapears when i
>> >> turn on my external USB-Disk!!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> But as soon i Turn of the external USB-Disk i get again this
messages and
>> >> i'm pretty sure i need soon to call Microsoft again for
re-activation!!

>> >> Please Fix that bug!

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Michael Solomon - 27 Jun 2007 05:03 GMT
">
> OK, that's too much.  Not even MS is that stupid to build activation to
> behave so, at least I have a hard time swallowing it.  That has to be a
> bug.  I can't imagine that they would build it that way by design.  They
> would totally be shooting themselves in the foot by doing it this way.

Check the following Knowledge Base article as it may help resolve the issue.
Even if you don't have an OEM version as referenced in the title, there's
some information in this article that not only might explain the issue but
might also help resolve it regardless:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931573/en-us
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Stephan Rose - 27 Jun 2007 09:52 GMT
>> If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista
>  > detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> bug.  I can't imagine that they would build it that way by design.  They
> would totally be shooting themselves in the foot by doing it this way.

I just have 3 words to say in response:

"I love Ubuntu."

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The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy - 27 Jun 2007 22:02 GMT
>>> If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista
>>  > detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> "I love Ubuntu."

I definately see alot of good things in Ubuntu, but I actually already
love Fedora.  ;)

I still think we would see more and hear more about this kind of problem
if WPA/WGA/N was built this way by design.  I personally think that the
OP's DRM went buggy which is really not much better anyway.

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Stephan Rose - 28 Jun 2007 00:11 GMT
>>>> If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista
>>>  > detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> if WPA/WGA/N was built this way by design.  I personally think that the
> OP's DRM went buggy which is really not much better anyway.

Well you know, stuff like that is why I refuse to run Vista though. I
simply can't risk running into problems like that at work. Hell, I don't
even want to boot into XP anymore. On that note...I actually haven't
booted into XP for about a week now at work. For some odd reason, my blood
pressure has been lower for about a week now too.

Coincidence?

I actually wonder if MS will implement any of their WGA/WPA/etc. into the
server 2008? I mean if so...who in their right mind would run a server
with it? Not that I consider it sane to run a server with *any* version of
windows but....just saying...

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The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy - 28 Jun 2007 17:37 GMT
>>>>> If you turn on your External USB HD then obviously Windows Vista
>>>>  > detects a hardware change. Each and every time you do open Vista
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Well you know, stuff like that is why I refuse to run Vista though.

I'm on board there.  I don't have vista installed or running at the
moment.  I just removed it from a dual boot on my machine and I'm
planning to move it to a virtual machine soon, but no hurry.  I have it
for only 2 reasons.  It didn't cost me a dime, and I will unfortunately
be supporting it eventually.  :(

> I
> simply can't risk running into problems like that at work. Hell, I don't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> with it? Not that I consider it sane to run a server with *any* version of
> windows but....just saying...

Sure they will, it goes without question.  They did in windows server
2003, so I don't see why they wouldn't in server 2008.

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Stephan Rose - 28 Jun 2007 20:34 GMT
> I'm on board there.  I don't have vista installed or running at the
> moment.  I just removed it from a dual boot on my machine and I'm
> planning to move it to a virtual machine soon, but no hurry.  I have it
> for only 2 reasons.  It didn't cost me a dime, and I will unfortunately
> be supporting it eventually.  :(

Yea I will need to support it too unfortunately.

> Sure they will, it goes without question.  They did in windows server
> 2003, so I don't see why they wouldn't in server 2008.

Yea but 2003 is pre-vista. So it doesn't randomly decide to require
reactivation. 2008 on the other hand...

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Guido - 27 Jun 2007 06:26 GMT
Hello Mac,

at the moment i'm not anylonger sure if that the messages realy stop when i
activate the external USB drive. In the first place it looked like that
because the message took longer to come again. But finaly they came...

Here the Eventlog...sorry in german:

Ebene    Datum und Uhrzeit    Quelle    Ereignis-ID    Aufgabenkategorie
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:24    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:24    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:22    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:21    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:19    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:19    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:16    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:16    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:14    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:13    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:11    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:11    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:09    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:08    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:06    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:06    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:04    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:03    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:01    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:11:01    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:58    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:58    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:57    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:55    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:55    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:54    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:52    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:51    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:50    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:49    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:47    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:47    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:44    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:44    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:42    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:42    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:40    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:39    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:37    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:37    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:35    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:34    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:32    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:32    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:30    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:10:30    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.
Informationen    26.06.2007 21:05:07    Microsoft-Windows-LoadPerf    1000    Keine    Die
Leistungsindikatoren für den Dienst WmiApRpl (WmiApRpl) wurden erfolgreich
geladen. Die Eintragsdaten im Datenbereich enthalten die neuen Indexwerte,
die diesem Dienst zugeordnet sind.
Informationen    26.06.2007 21:05:07    Microsoft-Windows-LoadPerf    1001    Keine    "Die
Leistungsindikatoren für den Dienst WmiApRpl (WmiApRpl) wurden entfernt. Die
Daten enthalten die neuen Werte der Registrierungseinträge ""Last Counter""
und ""Last Help""."
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:01:35    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1025    Keine    Der
Aktivierungzeitraum hat begonnen. Tage zur Aktivierung=3  Aktivierungstyp=4.
Informationen    26.06.2007
21:01:34    Microsoft-Windows-Security-Licensing-SLC    1024    Keine    Die Hardware hat
sich geändert.

> Yeah that sucks, there must be a solution to that! Will cross post it to
> general community newsgroup where more folks are active and maybe someone
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> >
> > Please Fix that bug!
James Matthews - 27 Jun 2007 17:25 GMT
Yes there are some bugs with WGA but they cannot be all sorted out with all
the hardware is it possible that your usb hardware is a main part of the
computer.

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[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Please Fix that bug!
Ronnie Vernon MVP - 01 Jul 2007 00:52 GMT
Guido

This behavior has been seen before and we are trying to collect information
on the cause.

One question, did you have the external USB hard drive plugged in when you
installed Vista?

Let me know, please.
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> Please Fix that bug!
 
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