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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / General Topics / February 2007Programs with Vista
I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and the Vista Home Premium. I know that in a Vista Home Premium I saw in action that it had "WORD" and "Excel" in it, but WHERE is a SPECIFIC LIST of what those two operating programs have in them?? All I find in Microsoft's website are generalities. Thanks for any help. Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. When you buy a PC in a store, the manufacturer may have preinstalled these on the computer (sometimes only a 90 day trial, sometimes less). Look at the computer sales literature to see what it comes with.  SignatureRegards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address) Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! >I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and >the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are > generalities. Thanks for any help. FWIW, Office Home and Student 2007 is a great deal if you're just using it for your home and don't need Outlook, Access, etc... Note: It is for non-commercial use only. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116093 Art > Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you > purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> are >> generalities. Thanks for any help. Sorry, wrong link. That was for Excel. The whole package is : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116135 About $130 USD. Art > FWIW, Office Home and Student 2007 is a great deal if you're just using it > for your home and don't need Outlook, Access, etc... Note: It is for [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> are >>> generalities. Thanks for any help. And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger deal out of this. > Sorry, wrong link. That was for Excel. The whole package is : > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>> website are >>>> generalities. Thanks for any help. > And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of > casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger > deal out of this. Then why is it you must reactivate if you flash your bios? >> And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of >> casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger >> deal out of this. > > Then why is it you must reactivate if you flash your bios? Different bios could mean a different computer. The OS has no way of knowing whether a person has flashed the bios to a newer version or installed it on a similar computer. >>> And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot >>> of casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > knowing whether a person has flashed the bios to a newer version or > installed it on a similar computer. But why are paying end users forced into such a cornor when it does absolutely nothing to combat main stream pirating. XP's activation was cracked early on and Vista's has been already too (not that I'm using one... or Vista for that matter.) All it does is make people jump through hoops while the folks in Redmond sit back and enjoy their popcorn. >>>> And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot >>>> of casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > one... or Vista for that matter.) All it does is make people jump through > hoops while the folks in Redmond sit back and enjoy their popcorn. At least they are doing something. If something is cracked, they need to find alternative methods. Its hardly forcing people into a corner asking them to activate a product. If someone is a legitimate customer then activating shoudl not be a problem. Its piracy that has put us into this situation in the first place. Blame the thieves, not MS for trying to protect their products. >>>>> And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a >>>>> lot of casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > the first place. Blame the thieves, not MS for trying to protect > their products. But the activate many times itself IS a big problem, as it doesn't always work as it should, and the requirements it imposes with Vista are just plain absurd. You still don't seem to get it. The "protection" they employ *doesn't* actually protect anything. It just makes it harder for legit users to USE the product. The problem is companies like Microsoft are attacking the symtom rather than attacking the disease, and then we have to deal with the end result of that imcompitence. > But the activate many times itself IS a big problem, as it doesn't always > work as it should, and the requirements it imposes with Vista are just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > than attacking the disease, and then we have to deal with the end result > of that imcompitence. I do get it. I am not saying it does work properly, I am just saying that its piracy that has got us into this situation in the first place. >> But the activate many times itself IS a big problem, as it doesn't >> always work as it should, and the requirements it imposes with Vista [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that its piracy that has got us into this situation in the first > place. Arguably, at the same time, it's things like this that actually increase it. At the very least it increases the creation and downloading of cracks just to get rid of it. There are many legit users who don't want to deal with that, and just get rid of it after doing their "homework." >>> And each is licensed for up to 3 PC's. $45/PC is a price even a lot of >>> casual pirates can swallow. I don't know why MS isn't making a bigger [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > knowing whether a person has flashed the bios to a newer version or > installed it on a similar computer. The OS could certainly tell the difference since installing on a similar computer would still cause many changes in the hardware hash: hard drive serial number, NIC adapter MAC address, etc. Gary VanderMolen > Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you > purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. Really? I have plenty of software that I have purchased that WILL not run or even install in some cases. So clearly it's not "you install programs that you purchase", but rather it is "you buy the software you already have purchased all over again"... Given as therer is no logical reason to break compatibilty if software that ran fine on XP (the last main version of Windows), it seems this was only doen to help al lthe big 3rd parties make more money. It's a sham no matter how you slice it. > When you buy a PC in a store, the manufacturer may have preinstalled > these on the computer (sometimes only a 90 day trial, sometimes > less). Look at the computer sales literature to see what it comes > with. I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. > > I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic > > and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > website are > > generalities. Thanks for any help. There is every reason to break compatibility, if a older program is not coded correctly. SignatureRegards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address) Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! >> Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you >> purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> > website are >> > generalities. Thanks for any help. > There is every reason to break compatibility, if a older program is > not coded correctly. That is a generalization that likely doesn't apply to all programs out there. Many worked fine. There was no reaso not "fix" what wasn't really broken. Fact of the matter is many programs that run flawlessly on XP just wont run on Vista. And tell me why is it the vast majority of programs that wont run (or run correctly) are the high profile applications (eg, Photoshop, Quick Books, etc), but I've bene hard pressed to find less expensive or free ware applications (even the more complex ones) that run just fine under Vista, many of which still say they are meant for pre-Vista OSes. It seems quite clear the real motivation of these software "imcompatibilies" is greed... getting everyone to buy new softwares, even if you already own it... for many people this sometimes amounts to thousands of dollars in new software purchases, when the previous ones worked just fine... > > > Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that > > > you purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications > > published yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. Many programs that work flawlessly on XP, write to parts of the system, and registry, that Microsoft has long said was taboo. Now they are enforcing that taboo. SignatureRegards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address) Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! >> There is every reason to break compatibility, if a older program is >> not coded correctly. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> > I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications >> > published yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. > Many programs that work flawlessly on XP, write to parts of the > system, and registry, that Microsoft has long said was taboo. > > Now they are enforcing that taboo. However, many do not, and still wont run. Even some well established applications that use a file based configuration file (and never touch the registry) refuse to run for no explicable reason. For many I've noticed it's when they attempt to register a DLL, a mechanism that's been around since Windows 95 (and in lesser form almost since the dawn of DLLs.) Maybe they are enforcing some taboos, but it's far more than simply that driving this effort, you can be sure of that. Some programs look for specific identifiers which ensures that they do not run on what is to become the next version of Windows.. this forces the customer to buy 'new'.. >> Vista is an operating system, upon which YOU install programs that you >> purchase. Word, Excel etc. do NOT come with Vista. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> > website are >> > generalities. Thanks for any help. SignatureMike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ Actually, there is a list, two of them even (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933305). One for "Certified for Windows Vista" and the other for "Works with Windows Vista". I have to admit, they are both embarrassingly short at this time. It is interesting to see that many of the ISV's who took the time and effort to get their stuff tested aren't necessarily the big ones. > I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published > yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. Thanks for the list. I was trying to decide whether to buy another license of Nero for my Vista machine. I think I'll install the trial now. If it works, Ahead gets themselves another sale. Art > Actually, there is a list, two of them even > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933305). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published >> yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. > I'm not surprised there isn't a list of supported applications published > yet, as it would probably be embarrassingly short. There is, and you're right (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933305) There's the "Certified for Windows Vista" List, then there's the "Works with Windows Vista" List. The first one pretty much guarantees it will work in Vista, while the second only IMPLIES it will. Hats off to the boys in marketing. btw - as you've suggested, the "Certified List" does indeed only contain about 100 entries - a quarter of which are MS products. Most of the programs that come pre-installed with Vista are in are in the All Programs menu or one of its subfolders, so you can just look there. Or open Control Panel and click Uninstall a Program to see a list of other programs that are currently installed. I don't know of a SPECIFIC LIST that shows them elsewhere. >I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and >the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are > generalities. Thanks for any help. > I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic > and the Vista Home Premium. I know that in a Vista Home Premium I saw > in action that it had "WORD" and "Excel" in it, but WHERE is a > SPECIFIC LIST of what those two operating programs have in them?? > All I find in Microsoft's website are generalities. Thanks for any > help. If there is a list it would be quite small right now... Assuming by programs you are also referring to individual feature differences, the best high level comparison site I know of is here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx >I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and >the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are > generalities. Thanks for any help. Thanks to all the responses. I first looked at the website you listed, LaRoux, but as you can see it gives really no specifics. You know, I bought an HP Pavilion SlimLine s7700n from Circuit City a couple of weeks ago and it failed on me in 4 days! As a result I took a "bath" on it by losing $90 restocking fee when I returned it. At any rate it had the Vista Home Premium program already installed and I really liked it. It was just what I wanted but now I'm back to my old failing 98se and was looking for another unit to try. In doing so I see some units with "Vista Basic" and I then was wondering how that compared to my brief interlude with "Vista Home Premium", THAT IS WHAT STARTED THIS ALL. > Assuming by programs you are also referring to individual feature > differences, the best high level comparison site I know of is here: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > are > > generalities. Thanks for any help. How can I find out what programs are already installed in my computer? > I cannot find a concise list of what programs are in the Vista Basic and the > Vista Home Premium. I know that in a Vista Home Premium I saw in action that > it had "WORD" and "Excel" in it, but WHERE is a SPECIFIC LIST of what those > two operating programs have in them?? All I find in Microsoft's website are > generalities. Thanks for any help. |
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