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baltsteve - 15 May 2008 21:18 GMT When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying Windows Firewall has been turned on. Do u want to use Norton Internet Security instead of Windows Firewall? My Windows Firewall had always been turned on. This started the other day after I did salvagerepository to fix something else. Does Windows Vista recognize Norton? How do I stop these from popping up? Also, my free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it?
Carey Frisch [MVP] - 15 May 2008 21:25 GMT For maximum protection, consider installing a comprehensive anti-virus/security program, such as Windows OneCare. You can try it FREE for 90 days. http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm
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When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying Windows Firewall has been turned on. Do u want to use Norton Internet Security instead of Windows Firewall? My Windows Firewall had always been turned on. This started the other day after I did salvagerepository to fix something else. Does Windows Vista recognize Norton? How do I stop these from popping up? Also, my free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it?
baltsteve - 15 May 2008 21:38 GMT Does that mean I wouldn't use Windows Firewall or defender? I am not very literate in these ares. if I do WindowsOnecare do I have to uninstall those? Any idea how to stop the popups I mentioned in my initial message?
> For maximum protection, consider installing > a comprehensive anti-virus/security program, such as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Windows Vista recognize Norton? How do I stop these from popping up? Also, my > free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it? Chris - 16 May 2008 18:48 GMT You say "comprehensive" Onecare's db lags by most standards. I have a second computer i use just to go check out the sights that hackers and other unsavory types like to set up. Onecare found 2 Trosions, Norton found a couple (sorry about spelling) I ran AVG on the same computer after running those 2 and the FREE version found all and cleaned the system along with the spyware and adware these sights installed.
I do not in anyway work for AVG (or grisoft the publishers)
This is my own opinon only, and i think people should know if there is a better choice.
now ver. 8 has a firewall.
> For maximum protection, consider installing > a comprehensive anti-virus/security program, such as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Windows Vista recognize Norton? How do I stop these from popping up? Also, my > free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it? Dave - 16 May 2008 20:45 GMT > You say "comprehensive" Onecare's db lags by most standards. I have a > second computer i use just to go check out the sights that hackers [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cleaned the system along with the spyware and adware these sights > installed. I'd like to visit some of these sites to check out current trojans and viruses. Can you list a few urls here please ? Thanks very much.
Kayman - 17 May 2008 05:19 GMT > For maximum protection, consider installing > a comprehensive anti-virus/security program, such as > Windows OneCare. You can try it FREE for 90 days. > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm Your enthusiasm is admirable but your statement is IMO exaggerated and does not reflect the (independent) reports I've been reading. The reports (admittedly) are somewhat dated and you may be privileged to the latest evaluation results of WOC. Would you please submit these results to this newsgroup? TIA.
Charlie42 - 15 May 2008 21:51 GMT > When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software > may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > salvagerepository to fix something else. Does Windows Vista recognize > Norton? How do I stop these from popping up? Norton integrates with Vista Security Center. The repository salvage procedure quite likely reset repository defaults, causing Security Center not to recognise Norton. The standard remedy for this problem is running "sfc /scannow" (yep, kind of ironic).
As for the firewall, you need to enable one of them. Do not run both simultaneously, pick the one you prefer. Two or more fw's are likely to conflict, and may cause instability and connection problems. You will find the enable/disable options in Norton's main window and Vista's Security Center.
Should you decide to go with Vista's firewall, Norton will keep nagging you with a nice red X, which you can safely ignore.
> Also, my free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions Yes. Do not renew. Norton really is not the best anti-malware around, plus it is bloated and leaves a huge footprint on your system. In this newsgroup (and in ...vista.security) there have been many discussions on which security software is the best. Do a search and read the threads for advice.
If you are looking for a free solution, AVG Anti-Virus and avast! are both popular and perfectly good programs. For a free firewall, you can download Comodo Pro, but imo. most home users are sufficiently protected by the built-in one in Windows Vista.
Keep Windows Defender enabled and run regular scans with an additional anti-spyware, there are good free ones available. Also remember to enable your router firewall if you have one.
Search Windows Vista newsgroups: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/windows/en-US/community/default.mspx AVG 8.0 free anti-virus: http://free.grisoft.com/ avast! free anti-virus: http://www.avast.com/ Comodo Firewall Pro (free): http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/index.html
Charlie42
Charlie42 - 15 May 2008 21:58 GMT > Yes. Do not renew. Norton really is not the best anti-malware around, > plus it is bloated and leaves a huge footprint on your system. This link is to Symantec's Norton Removal Tool: http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
Run it at least two times, each time reboot after it has finished, before you attempt to install your new anti-virus. Even Symantec's own tool struggles to rid a computer of all Norton residue.
Charlie42
baltsteve - 15 May 2008 23:46 GMT As I said, not very computer literate so I have no idea what sfc/scannow is. I would like to get a free anit-virus program so I'll try AVG or Avast. Which is better? They won't conflixct with Windows Firewall?
> > Yes. Do not renew. Norton really is not the best anti-malware around, > > plus it is bloated and leaves a huge footprint on your system. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Charlie42 C.B. - 16 May 2008 02:01 GMT AVG and Avast are both good. However, I would suggest the paid version of NOD32. You can use the native Windows Firewall, the Advanced Windows Firewall or Comodo, which is free and in my opinion very good.
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> As I said, not very computer literate so I have no idea what sfc/scannow > is. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Charlie42 Charlie42 - 16 May 2008 16:40 GMT > As I said, not very computer literate so I have no idea what > sfc/scannow is. Since you have decided to install a different anti-virus, you can just skip this step.
> I would like to get a free anit-virus program so I'll try AVG or Avast. > Which is better? I prefer AVG, mainly because of the interface and configuration options, but they are both decent programs. You can give them both a try (just not at the same time) and decide for yourself.
They won't conflixct with Windows Firewall?
No. They are anti-virus programs that coexist just fine with Windows Firewall.
Charlie42
silver hair - 17 May 2008 22:58 GMT hello thank you for all that info on this tread my AVG free 7.5 all so expires on May the 31 st and there is a avg 8 free available that I will install 2 questions Do I need to uninstall avg 7.5 first? I guess so, if so Do I need to down load a Removal tool ? to remove it properly if so, where can I find it? guess there are 3 questions here I appreciate a responce
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> > Yes. Do not renew. Norton really is not the best anti-malware around, > > plus it is bloated and leaves a huge footprint on your system. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Charlie42 Not Me - 18 May 2008 01:17 GMT I installed AVG 8 free on a Vista machine yesterday. It uninstalls the older version as part of the install process.
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> hello > thank you for all that info on this tread [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> Charlie42 Frank - 18 May 2008 02:20 GMT > I installed AVG 8 free on a Vista machine yesterday. > It uninstalls the older version as part of the install process. That's simply astonishing! What is an avowed Vista hater like you doing anywhere near Vista? Frank
Kayman - 18 May 2008 11:25 GMT > hello > thank you for all that info on this tread [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to remove it properly > if so, where can I find it? How to remove AVG Free Antivirus http://askabouttech.com/how-to-remove-avg-free-antivirus/
silver hair - 17 May 2008 23:09 GMT sorry, forgot I don't need a firewall my Vista security and firewall that came whit the system works just fine guess I can download the AVG 8 without that firewall
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> > Yes. Do not renew. Norton really is not the best anti-malware around, > > plus it is bloated and leaves a huge footprint on your system. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Charlie42 Charlie42 - 18 May 2008 10:33 GMT <snip>
>> Do I need to uninstall avg 7.5 first? AVG advices us to uninstall v.7.5 completely before installing v.8.0. I recommend you reboot after removing the old version, wether prompted for it or not.
>> Do I need to down load a Removal tool ? Afaik, AVG does not offer a removal tool. Uninstall via Control Panel > Programs.
Charlie42
LesleyO - 16 May 2008 06:15 GMT >> When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software >> may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Charlie42 I've wondered about how good Avast! is, as I know someone who swears it's good, yet he's had viruses twice in the last year. Yet I, using NIS (most recent), have had none. Makes me wonder. LesleyON
SG - 16 May 2008 08:45 GMT LesleyON,
No Virus Software can catch every virus out there and their only as good as their definitions. It's not that NIS is bad for missing Viruses, it's the total integration with the system and the fact NIS has messed up thousands of systems. You are one of the lucky ones and if it works for you go for it. I used AVG for years and not long ago I switched to Avast because AVG is getting bloated and more and more we are seeing threads about the newest version messing up more systems. So far Avast IMO is written very good, it has on demand options to turn off certain features without having to uninstall and re-install. The biggest problem I see with some of these Virus Software Company's is they are integrating to much junk in a package deal and it's becoming pathetic. From a business standpoint I can see their side, but not from a user standpoint. These total package's that include Virus, Spyware, Firewall and who knows what else IMO is going to be the downfall to many of these company's. I work and have worked of thousands of machines and the first thing I tell any new customer is if you have Norton or MacAfee on their system it's coming off or they can take it elsewhere. I know that's sounds blunt, but I refuse to clean up this mess before I get into other problems these systems have.
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>>> When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software >>> may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > recent), have had none. Makes me wonder. > LesleyON Charlie42 - 16 May 2008 19:37 GMT > I've wondered about how good Avast! is, as I know someone who > swears it's good, yet he's had viruses twice in the last year. Yet I, > using > NIS (most recent), have had none. Makes me wonder. Like SG mentioned, no anti-virus has a 100% detection rate. Generally, the free AV solutions perform surprisingly well in tests. Symantec products also have ok test results. Take a look at these sites:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/ http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/
The major Norton criticisms are related to stability and footprint, the most common problem being slow-downs because of the massive system resources Norton hogs. There are products on the market with equal or better test results than Symantec's products, consuming less resources at a lower price (even free ones).
Charlie42
Not Me - 16 May 2008 22:32 GMT My wife's computer came with a free trial of Norton. When it expired, I removed it and installed AVG. The initial scan found 4 viruses that Norton had missed. Just because Norton says you're OK doesn't make it so.
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>>> When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software >>> may not be installed. Then, later I get a popup from Norton saying [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > recent), have had none. Makes me wonder. > LesleyON Bob - 15 May 2008 23:23 GMT Replace Norton with the free AVG http://free.grisoft.com/ or Avast http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html, and Windows Firewall and Windows Defender. Norton is known to cause many problems which don’t always appear immediately. Be sure to download and run the Norton Removal Tool. http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
> When I power up, I get a security alert saying my antivirus software may > not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > my > free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it? oscar - 16 May 2008 03:39 GMT I use Trend Micro PC-Cillin on all of my 4 computers including XP and Vista. Trend Micro automatically shuts off Windows firewall and uses its own during installation. I tried Norton twice (free trial) on XP computers and it caused me more trouble than helped. McAfee was OK but Trend Micro does the job.
I'm hoping that Vista's Security will evolve to the point that third party security software will be unnecessary.
As an aside I'm becoming more confident of Vista's security and am tempted not to use Trend Micro when my subscription expires this summer.
oscar
> Replace Norton with the free AVG http://free.grisoft.com/ or Avast > http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html, and Windows Firewall and Windows [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > my > > free subscription to norton ends in a week? Any suggestions to replace it?
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