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ARTICLE: Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1)
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Clear Windows - 20 May 2008 09:37 GMT My comment: People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely hate it!
Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1), SP3 Didn't Do it
ARTICLE: Over a year after the general availability of Windows Vista (January 30, 2007), and a year and a half after the business launch of the latest Windows client (November 30, 2006), the product has yet to receive the love forecasted by Microsoft. While predicting nothing short of Wow experiences, it is waking up following the availability of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 to the sound of silence where upgrades from Windows XP to Windows Vista should have been. This realization seems difficult to sink in for the Redmond company.
"During the conference call my team had on Friday, we were discussing the upcoming content we are planning for the August-December timeframe. One of my team members who shall remain nameless stated that most of the customers he has talked to aren't upgrading existing Windows XP machines to Windows Vista. Instead, they are just buying new machines with Windows Vista as the old XP machines roll off the books and are re-purposed, or die," revealed Keith Combs, Microsoft IT Pro Evangelist.
According to statistics provided by Microsoft, Windows Vista had sold in excess of 140 million licenses by March 2008. Data published by Net Applications give Vista a 14.57% share of the operating system market at the end of April 2008. By comparison, Windows XP accounts for a share of 73.07%, down from a high of 85.02% back in January 2007. With worldwide shipments of PCs reaching over 250 million items the past year, it is clear that Vista's growth comes largely from acquisitions of new machines rather than from upgrades.
"None of the security, network, search, etc. improvements warrant an upgrade of an existing machine, even with Aero glass turned off so that it performs on par or better than Windows XP?" Combs asked rhetorically. But the real question was "Is that accurate? Is that what you are doing?" with Combs referring to the customers' failure to upgrade. The comments wrote in response to Combs' post indicate that customers are steering clear of Windows Vista, and sticking to what they already know, namely XP.
The reasons for doing this are multiple, and they are related to the now year old problems of the operating system that caused a barrage of bad publicity. Vista is avoided due to performance issues, compatibility problems, but also the cost of the upgrade, although Microsoft has continually touted that the operating system would deliver a lower TCO in the end. However, the total cost of ownership does not generally include the costs of the upgrade. But one thing is clear: none of the users mentioned Service Pack 3 as the reason why the move to Vista was avoided. At the same time, SP1 for Windows Vista also failed to catalyze a new wave of upgrades to the latest Windows client.
"Are you running mixed environments of old and new machines with each OS? I understand for small and small medium businesses that's unlikely, but what about when you have several hundred PCs up? Are you buying new machines with WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens when we stop selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked.
Bender - 20 May 2008 09:57 GMT People "hear" that there are problems with Vista. And that is the problem. Its no worse on old hardware than what occurred with any new version of Windows.
I recall when a co-worker told me he would not buy Windows because he would have to upgrade his memory to 4 MBytes (note: not GigaBytes but MegaBytes). So he would stick with Dos.
Back then, an upgrade like that would have cost hundreds of dollars, and that's not even adjusting for inflation.
Another aside, I was watching the 1994 Movie "Clear and Present Danger" yesterday and noticed in one scene there is a machine inside a glass enclosed cabinet in an office filled with computers. The machine has a mechanical arm that retrieves data tapes. I recall reading about that machine in a magazine when it was introduced and it was the equivalent of 1 TeraByte of tape storage. I have a 'WD My Book' sitting on my shelf that has the same capacity, and a few orders of magnitude cheaper.
Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern.
xfile - 20 May 2008 11:57 GMT > Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future > computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern. Actually, that doesn't work anymore. Diminishing return from information technology which has been discussed and shared by many insiders in the past few years is the clear and present danger of the IT as a whole. Vista is just being part of the big picture and it will be getting more and more serious for both hardware and software unless there will be some truly breakthrough applications to come out.
Not everyone is without sense when adopting new technologies or treating computers as toys (I was like that 20 years ago). Many do believe IT is one of the most important business tools and thus tie it to ROI.
> People "hear" that there are problems with Vista. And that is the problem. > Its no worse on old hardware than what occurred with any new version of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future > computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern. Fiddler - 20 May 2008 11:06 GMT Anyone ever tell you that you have an attidude problem?
> My comment: > People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > machines with WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens > when we stop selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked. Leythos - 20 May 2008 11:42 GMT > My comment: > People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you > want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into > millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely > hate it! Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?
This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to run Vista or that have questions about Vista.
While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.
Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use more memory than I could under XP.
I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they normally do under XP.
People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their computers, it's their computer not yours.
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Fiddler - 20 May 2008 13:23 GMT Each to his(or her)own........ Whatever reasons people use or not use either Vista OR Windows is of their choosing and that is that. If anyone wants or needs proof(or not)of anything to do with Vista or XP then it is up to them to go find it and not up to certain"loudmouths". Comments like"People want proof that Vista is a pile of *** ***" and "I tell them"are just that. Comments(negative)and nothin more. For myself nothing that others say or do make me decide what to buy, wear, eat, drink, drive, use or say or what cpu and ram and OS to use or not use. I make the choice for my reasons. Others or"people"as the op stated also should be able to make the choice also. What others think or don't think about Vista has nothing whatsoever to do with it all. If "people"see someone drink a certain type drink or smoke a certain brand cigar or whatever does not mean they have to do the same. If Leythos thinks he or she or maybe it knows best and is the chosen voice of the people then so what......... Like I said, each to his her/their own. IF Vista works for whoever or XP works for whoever then that is that.
>> My comment: >> People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their > computers, it's their computer not yours. Clear Windows - 20 May 2008 17:35 GMT some people like doing very bad things, in fact they enjoy it, that does not make it "ok" and just a matter of choice. Some things are fundamentally WRONG AND BAD, and one of those things is VISTA.
Its so horrible I would love to see it BANNED forever and taught at programmer universities as a good example of what a company can do BAD to DESTROY a successful product like XP.
I will be very happy to see vista die soon, when windows7 will come out...
it will be a very GOOD RIDDENs for vista...
> Each to his(or her)own........ > Whatever reasons people use or not use either Vista OR Windows is of their [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >> computers, it's their computer not yours. Clear Windows - 20 May 2008 17:31 GMT WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista
this newsgroup does not say microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista
its microsoft.public.vista.general
that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I don't have to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like the back of my hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista would be like the back of my hand)
Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join some administrated forum....
So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating system ever made...
I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!
>> My comment: >> People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their > computers, it's their computer not yours. Fiddler - 20 May 2008 17:53 GMT It also was posted in the XP GENERAL group
> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >> computers, it's their computer not yours. C.B. - 21 May 2008 00:38 GMT Clear Windows doesn't have a clue, which is why most people have killfiled him. If he knew how to configure and use Vista he wouldn't be posting the crap he posts.
C.B.
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged and unfortunate among us.
> It also was posted in the XP GENERAL group >> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Adam Albright - 21 May 2008 02:48 GMT > Clear Windows doesn't have a clue, which is why most people have >killfiled him. If he knew how to configure and use Vista he wouldn't be >posting the crap he posts. Please tell us how you KNOW most people have killfiled anyone.
1. you read tea leaves 2. you're a psychic 3. you're really just a arrogant blowhard badly faking it.
Like shooting fish in a barrel. Fanboys are always such idiots!
Bob I - 20 May 2008 17:54 GMT Sorry, you are wrong again. Excerpt: "These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer assistance related to using Microsoft products and services."
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >> computers, it's their computer not yours. Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 18:11 GMT > Sorry, you are wrong again. > Excerpt: > "These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer > assistance related to using Microsoft products and services." Clear Windows just wants to create trouble. The reason he is pissed is because he can't figure out Vista. I think he needs something like Ubuntu. One week with Ubuntu, he will be crawling back to Vista!
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Canuck57 - 20 May 2008 18:22 GMT >> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ubuntu. > One week with Ubuntu, he will be crawling back to Vista! Neither can Microsoft figure out why it is so slow.
Ooops, I forgot, MS knows best and we are all just troll users. LOL.
Bob I - 20 May 2008 18:32 GMT >>>Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Neither can Microsoft figure out why it is so slow. Oh really? http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp
Canuck57 - 20 May 2008 18:48 GMT >>>>Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>>Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Oh really? > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp Try a network or disk to disk copy benchmark.
And while you do, read this. Looks like Apples are encroaching on Vista sales at an alarming rate. 66% of high end PCs selling are Apple. Apple notebook growth, 50-60%. MS-Windows stagnant.
http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/channel/macs_defy_windows-gravity.html
Looks like Apple is getting a wild sized bit out of MS.
Should have bought an Apple.
Alias - 20 May 2008 18:37 GMT >> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because he can't figure out Vista. I think he needs something like Ubuntu. > One week with Ubuntu, he will be crawling back to Vista! LOL! I had two weeks with Vista, yuck, and two years so far with Ubuntu. I guess you aren't very good at reading others' minds, are you?
Alias
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 18:49 GMT >>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Alias So after two weeks you still couldn't figure out Vista? Maybe you should have called a PC Tech to come over and show you how your computer works. Oops, you don't have the money to pay him/her. Never mind.
Ubuntu for you.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx >>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Alias - 20 May 2008 19:43 GMT >>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So after two weeks you still couldn't figure out Vista? No, Vista was easy to use, just lame.
> Maybe you should > have called a PC Tech to come over and show you how your computer works. > Oops, you don't have the money to pay him/her. Never mind. I have more money that you do, I'm sure.
> Ubuntu for you. And for anyone with any sense (not you).
Alias
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx >>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 20:02 GMT >>>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I have more money that you do, I'm sure. Let's see now, you live in Spain, don't have a car, always home to post useless crap, installs Ubuntu for money. I doubt that you have more money that I have. Seriously doubt it. Remember, if it doesn't seem to be true then it probably isn't. Oops.
>> Ubuntu for you. > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >>>>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Alias - 20 May 2008 20:09 GMT >>>>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > that I have. Seriously doubt it. Remember, if it doesn't seem to be true > then it probably isn't. Oops. You don't know but that won't stop you from making up lies and stories to lamely try and confirm your erroneous opinion.
Alias
>>> Ubuntu for you. >> And for anyone with any sense (not you). [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>>>>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 20:26 GMT >>>>>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>>>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Alias I really don't care. If you are a pauper or a billionaire, I could care less, unless you were a billionair and you married my sister then I would care!
>>>> Ubuntu for you. >>> And for anyone with any sense (not you). [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >>>>>>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>>>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. upyurbuttoo - 20 May 2008 20:47 GMT >> Maybe you should have called a PC Tech to come over and show you how >> your computer works. Oops, you don't have the money to pay him/her. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Alias What a pice of sh*t lieing mother f*cking sheep porker
Adam Albright - 20 May 2008 23:05 GMT >> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Excerpt: >> "These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer >> assistance related to using Microsoft products and services." > >Clear Windows just wants to create trouble. A damn funny statement since it is coming one of the three principle trolls in this newsgroup.
Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 23:12 GMT >>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > A damn funny statement since it is coming one of the three principle > trolls in this newsgroup. You obviously can't count. Why didn't you include yourself? You are the groups biggest troll who embarasses himself every day, showing the group what a tard you really are. You are one of the most predictible idiots here in vista land.
Adam Albright - 21 May 2008 00:12 GMT >>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >what a tard you really are. You are one of the most predictible idiots here >in vista land. Pointing out what idiots you, Frank and Spankdemonkey are isn't trolling... it's a public service.
spankydemonkey@gmail.com - 21 May 2008 00:31 GMT > >>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. > >>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - So being an a.shole is a public service? Your logic is screwed up.
Frank - 21 May 2008 00:43 GMT >>>>>>Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>>>>Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So being an a.shole is a public service? Your logic is screwed up. I think he meant..." a public service a.shole'...you think?...LOL! Frank
Alias - 20 May 2008 18:13 GMT > Sorry, you are wrong again. > Excerpt: > "These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer > assistance related to using Microsoft products and services." > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx Considering that this is Usenet, not "communities", what you posted is not relevant. I am posting from aioe.org, not msnews so I have no reason or obligation to follow any of MS' silly rules.
Alias
>> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 18:41 GMT >> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Alias You also don't give a rats a.s about what others think. It is all about Alias 24/7. No wonder why you cheat people out of their hard earned money. You were probably banned from the USA and had to settle in Spain.
>>> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista >>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Alias - 20 May 2008 18:45 GMT >>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You also don't give a rats a.s about what others think. False.
> It is all about > Alias 24/7. False.
> No wonder why you cheat people out of their hard earned money. A lie.
> You were > probably banned from the USA and had to settle in Spain. Another lie.
Oops.
Alias
>>>> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista >>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. Frank - 20 May 2008 19:10 GMT >>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>>> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >>>>>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>>>>> computers, it's their computer not yours. You lying sack of sh.t! You're a fugitive in spain. The authorities will soon get your lying thieving a.s. Frank
Nonny - 20 May 2008 19:51 GMT >Sorry, you are wrong again. Sorry, but since you can't control your urge to feed the trolls, it's buh-bye to you.
Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 20:04 GMT >>Sorry, you are wrong again. > > Sorry, but since you can't control your urge to feed the trolls, it's > buh-bye to you. Hey, how about a buh-buy for me 2! Just FYI.
Alias - 20 May 2008 20:10 GMT >>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Sorry, but since you can't control your urge to feed the trolls, it's >> buh-bye to you. > > Hey, how about a buh-buy for me 2! Just FYI. At least you admit you're a troll.
Alias
Bill Yanaire - 20 May 2008 20:27 GMT >>>> Sorry, you are wrong again. >>> Sorry, but since you can't control your urge to feed the trolls, it's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alias Must be that Ubuntu/comprehension problem you have. I never admitted that fact. One less retard that I need to deal with. You are the troll here in vista land.
upyurbuttoo - 20 May 2008 20:45 GMT >>Sorry, you are wrong again. > > Sorry, but since you can't control your urge to feed the trolls, it's > buh-bye to you. buh-bye baby-boy
norm - 20 May 2008 20:52 GMT > Sorry, you are wrong again. > Excerpt: > "These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer > assistance related to using Microsoft products and services." > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx These newsgroups are NOT the ms communities mentioned in the url you have cited. Please do not confuse one with the other. I quote from that url: "We hope that you find the time you spend in Microsoft's community Web sites to be useful and fun." Notice the reference to "community web sites". These newsgroups are not web sites.
>> WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their >>> computers, it's their computer not yours.
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Bob I - 20 May 2008 21:04 GMT >> Sorry, you are wrong again. >> Excerpt: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Notice the reference to "community web sites". These newsgroups are not > web sites. Sorry, you are incorrect, those are merely "web interfaces" to "these newsgroups", and the terms are used interchangeably.
HeyBub - 20 May 2008 20:40 GMT > So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating > system ever made... > > I SAY VISTA IS CRAP! Sure. But the interesting question is: why would you want to? The difference between your pronouncements and the disturbed individual preaching "the end is nigh" on 42nd street is not great.
You need a cat. That way you'll have something to torment without bothering normal folk.
Leythos - 20 May 2008 21:04 GMT > So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating system > ever made... That makes you a troll in every sense of the definition and no better than Alias, Frank and many of the other trolls.
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