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Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own market-leading Office 2007 software during the first half of 2009. The company, under pressure from European regulators, national standards organizations and its own government clients, said it planned to give customers the ability to open, edit and save documents in Open Document Format - the main competitor to Word - through a free update. > Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the > interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > customers the ability to open, edit and save documents in Open Document > Format - the main competitor to Word - through a free update. Sounds like a good idea from M$ point of view.. customers don't need open office if they have M$. >> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds like a good idea from M$ point of view.. customers don't need > open office if they have M$. Exactly. And they don't need MS office if they have OpenOffice. >>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Exactly. And they don't need MS office if they have OpenOffice. If they have OpenSoresOffice they are screwed. They really need MS Office to do any real work. OpenSores Office is a piece of crap. Anybody who uses OpenSoresOffice is real poor. Kind of like Alias and Adam the retard. >>>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >>>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Anybody who uses OpenSoresOffice is real poor. Kind of like Alias and Adam > the retard. Funny, when we use Open Office to create invoices, the clients have no problem reading them with MS Office and no problem paying them. Do you consider getting paid a part of "real work"? The fact that you think that someone who doesn't want to waste money on a program when a comparable one is available for free is poor writes volumes about your lack of self confidence. Like Frank, you think that having money means you are better than others, which, of course, is not true. Alias > >>>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the > >>>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > having money means you are better than others, which, of course, is not > true. The fact that anyone with any software can create simple documents, technically down leveled to a common format that can be read by most, does not mean that all OO documents are going to show the same format in other programs as they do in OO. This is seen time and time again when using Open Source formats with non-Open Source programs.  Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>>>>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >>>>>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > This is seen time and time again when using Open Source formats with > non-Open Source programs. Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total interoperability, will you still pay hundreds of dollars for MS Office? See: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleI d=9087538&intsrc=hm_list Alias I would like to see a price increase of these softwares to a higher level because there are plenty of idiots out there to be exploited. Clever people always look out for cheaper alternatives. >I would like to see a price increase of these softwares to a higher level > because there are plenty of idiots out there to be exploited. > Clever people always look out for cheaper alternatives. And you are just the guy to pay more for these "softwares". Next time you purchase "softwares" you need to give the clerk an extra $50. You are not clever. > Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and > Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total > interoperability, will you still pay hundreds of dollars for MS Office? Since many medical and business apps are integrated into MS Office, yes, for the ones that need that functionality. For customers that don't need the functions in MS Office that they've had available for a decade and never used, OO is a great tool, once the document formats properly show the SAME on each system. For home users and small businesses that don't have issues with document formats, OO is a great solution. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and >> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total >> interoperability, will you still pay hundreds of dollars for MS Office? > > Since many medical and business apps are integrated into MS Office, yes, > for the ones that need that functionality. What is it about "total interoperability" that you don't understand? Alias >>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and >>> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Alias hehehe...you're out of your fukkin mind! Frank >>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and >>> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Alias Oh how cute you put some nice characters in your NICK. Probably did that with Ubuntu? > >> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and > >> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is it about "total interoperability" that you don't understand? What is it about not happening any time soon that you don't understand? Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and >>>> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is it about not happening any time soon that you don't understand? The EU is making sure that MS complies. Alias >>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Alias Why do you post to someone who has you killfiled? Oh, I know it's for the masses, right? No one cares what you post but a very limited few mainly Frank and Albright in this NG. You have destroyed yourself in this NG. And this looks very bad that you would make a post like this, knowing that this person has killfiled you. >>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You have destroyed yourself in this NG. And this looks very bad that you > would make a post like this, knowing that this person has killfiled you. Have a brain problem, Vista? Leythos replied to me. Ergo, he doesn't have me kill filed. And, as this newsgroup is read by more people than Leythos, others can benefit from the post. Well, everyone but someone like you, Frank and Bill Yanaire who can only insult the poster and can in no way respond to the content. Alias >>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Alias No one can benefit from anything you say. I find you very worthless and useless, and if Leythos has any kind of commonsense, Leythos would just toss you in the trash where you belong. >>>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > useless, and if Leythos has any kind of commonsense, Leythos would just > toss you in the trash where you belong. Just had to prove my point, didn't you? So why don't YOU kill file me? Is it because you don't have any common sense? Alias >>>>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about >>>>>>>>> it and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Just had to prove my point, didn't you? So why don't YOU kill file me? > Is it because you don't have any common sense? I am here to twist your mind, reel you in and toss you back Spanish guppy, because you want to talk about other people, but you can't stand it when the same is done with you -- point counter point. Your heart is always on your sleeves due to Spanish nature. ;-) >>>>>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about >>>>>>>>>> it and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I am here to twist your mind, Don't give up your day job. > reel you in and toss you back Spanish > guppy, because you want to talk about other people, but you can't stand > it when the same is done with you -- point counter point. Your heart is > always on your sleeves due to Spanish nature. ;-) Your bigotry and inaneness is noted. I am not, however, Spanish. I was born in the USA and my European roots are French, English and Irish. Alias >>>>>>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about >>>>>>>>>>> it and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Alias You're mexican on the run! Stop lying! Frank >>>>>>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about >>>>>>>>>>> it and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Alias Who cares? You see that's your problem. You think someone cares woman, with your Linux bleeding heart -- bleed for me. >>>>>>>>> In article <eRLoGlCvIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, ::- Alias- >>>>>>>>> :: <iamalias@TAKETHISOUTgmail.com> says... [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Who cares? You do or you wouldn't have read my post. > You see that's your problem. You think someone cares woman, > with your Linux bleeding heart -- bleed for me. Now you think I'm a woman? LOL! Alias >>>>>>>>>> In article <eRLoGlCvIHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, ::- Alias- >>>>>>>>>> :: <iamalias@TAKETHISOUTgmail.com> says... [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Alias You act like one and it's kind of hard to miss it dear in your writting. >> The EU is making sure that MS complies. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You have destroyed yourself in this NG. And this looks very bad that you > would make a post like this, knowing that this person has killfiled you. Hey DIPWAD! Yes You! if you want to send a personal message, use e-mail that is what it's used for. if you want to reply in public to a public posted message. Use the NG. If you used a KillFile (and obviously you havn't) then this is the only method that would have delivered the message. do either of you have permission from your parents to participate in nntp newsgroups. grow up. please. > >>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it > >>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You have destroyed yourself in this NG. And this looks very bad that you > would make a post like this, knowing that this person has killfiled you. Actually, my kill file has a time-limit, and then I start seeing their posts again, so, as long as the trolls remain civil I don't KF them again, when they start posting like idiots I KF them. And, you might have read the thread, I actually replied to Alias, several times, and I could not have done that if I had not seen his post. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > several times, and I could not have done that if I had not seen his > post. Don't try to get logical with "Vista". He or she is incapable of logic. Alias > Don't try to get logical with "Vista". He or she is incapable of logic. I think he's going into my KF since he seems obsessed with you. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> Don't try to get logical with "Vista". He or she is incapable of logic. > > I think he's going into my KF since he seems obsessed with you. Good luck with that one. ;-) >> Don't try to get logical with "Vista". He or she is incapable of logic. > > I think he's going into my KF since he seems obsessed with you. http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/ > >> Don't try to get logical with "Vista". He or she is incapable of logic. > > > > I think he's going into my KF since he seems obsessed with you. > > http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/ Yea, now there is a really sick individual, posting my name all over usenet and claiming I follow him and have an attachment to him - he even took out a domain name in my honor. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > several times, and I could not have done that if I had not seen his > post. I don't read threads, as they are usually about nothing. Alias is not on the rag this month so she is civil. Her time will come again. Your boy Long Ranger Albright is another story altogether. ;-) > >>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and > >>>> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The EU is making sure that MS complies. No, they are making sure that they comply for part of the country, the common people will still have "Choice". I seriously doubt that MS will ONLY output OD format. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it and >>>>>> Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > common people will still have "Choice". I seriously doubt that MS will > ONLY output OD format. Shame that MS can't make software that isn't operable with other software. Alias >>>>>>> Which is why, and rightly so, the EU is doing something about it >>>>>>> and Microsoft seems to be willing to comply. When there's total [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Alias The world runs on MS software...I guess that's news to lying a.shole like you, huh? Frank > > No, they are making sure that they comply for part of the country, the > > common people will still have "Choice". I seriously doubt that MS will > > ONLY output OD format. > > Shame that MS can't make software that isn't operable with other software. That's not it Alias, it's about giving people more than what they've asked for because they don't know it's available. In the early days we had ASCII only, now have tons of fonts, formatting, etc... We can place pictures in our documents, etc... The programs that sparked those functions and advances were not open source, were not a common document format, etc... Nothing ever is created out of living down to the lowest level. I like what I can do with MS Office and that it's easier than OO. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >In the early days we had ASCII only, now have tons of fonts, formatting, Ummm excuse me, but I've used troff to make pretty documents since 1982 or so. That's pretty early. Before that I had Xerox stuff. > >In the early days we had ASCII only, now have tons of fonts, formatting, > > Ummm excuse me, but I've used troff to make pretty documents > since 1982 or so. That's pretty early. Before that I had Xerox > stuff. LOL, yep, but how may applications would import and export that format that were considered PC's in those days...... Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >> >>>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >> >>>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > This is seen time and time again when using Open Source formats with > non-Open Source programs. I save as W2000/XP when sending to a MS-Office user. And haven't seen or heard of those formatting problems for years. It was a problem some many years ago back in the version 1.x days but has been since corrected. But you also just made a case for support of ODF. ODF allows multiple applications to use the files as they are standardized. That way you are not beholding to one application from one vendor that runs on one platform that you may or may not not be running in 5 years. > I save as W2000/XP when sending to a MS-Office user. And haven't seen or > heard of those formatting problems for years. It was a problem some many [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not beholding to one application from one vendor that runs on one > platform that you may or may not not be running in 5 years. I agree, ODF is a good method. I would also suggest that since you're using the NON-MS side, you don't have much to worry about, since your documents are the lowest common format. It's when you have to interact with people that use MS formats that the problem comes in. So, if you're interacting with MS people you are often not getting the same document format that they see. Signature- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) ............ Like Frank, you think that > having money means you are better than others, which, of course, is not > true. > > Alias You have no idea what I think. Best you stop making a fool out of yourself in public and just STFU! Frank > ............ Like Frank, you think that >> having money means you are better than others, which, of course, is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You have no idea what I think. Is that what you call it. Sounds to me like you run your mouth on automatic > Best you stop making a fool out of yourself in public You do a great job at that. > and just STFU! > Frank > Funny, when we use Open Office to create invoices, the clients have no > problem reading them with MS Office and no problem paying them. Do you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > think that having money means you are better than others, which, of > course, is not true. This is about the only time when the phrase "It's not about the money" means it's not about the money. >> Funny, when we use Open Office to create invoices, the clients have no >> problem reading them with MS Office and no problem paying them. Do you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This is about the only time when the phrase "It's not about the money" > means it's not about the money. My 3 reasons are: - saves in a portable standard format, can use in Linux. - can export PDF - runs on all my PCs, XP, Vista, Linux, Solaris. - saves me $$$ and more $$$ for other PCs So yep, money is part of it. Would I pay for Office, yes, but not the prices of MS-Office and I want to be able to run on all my PCs, not just the Windows ones. >>>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >>>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Anybody who uses OpenSoresOffice is real poor. Kind of like Alias and > Adam the retard. You could very well be right - I'm not at all familiar with "OpenSoresOffice" - could you provide a link? Oh, BTW - I mentioned nothing about "OpenSoresOffice" - I mentioned OpenOffice - as in OpenOffice.org which is a high quality very compatible replacement for MS Office - you should try it some time - you'll be impressed. >> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds like a good idea from M$ point of view.. customers don't need > open office if they have M$. Actually, with open Office you get a ISO standard file format. The equation should read: Open Office == MSOffice + $$$ And MS Office can't read or produce the standard format. Nor does it work on Linux and others. > Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the > interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > customers the ability to open, edit and save documents in Open Document > Format - the main competitor to Word - through a free update. So when are they deporting you back to austria?...LOL! Frank >> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So when are they deporting you back to austria?...LOL! > Frank When are you letting your daughter (and pet sheep) out of the basement? LOL >>> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >>> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > When are you letting your daughter (and pet sheep) out of the basement? LOL You mean your daughter and your sheep? You don't know where they are? Does General Motors know about you? Should I email them of your "hidden life"/ Frank This tell us that the open source Linux and open source Windows communities are growing large enough to be a force for MS to reckon with. Soon people will leave them and their stupid Windows Genuine Disadvantage and DRM by the flock. They will be forced to do a repeat performance of what Lotus had to do when they were forced by the market to run away from their failed copy protection,. It is just a matter of time. >> Microsoft was set to announce Thursday that it would make the >> interchangeable document format of a competitor available in its own [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So when are they deporting you back to austria?...LOL! > Frank > This tell us that the open source Linux and open source Windows > communities are growing large enough to be a force for MS to reckon > with. You're on drugs right? Soon people will leave them and their stupid Windows Genuine > Disadvantage and DRM by the flock. Talking about yourself and to yourself again, huh? Figures. They will be forced to do a repeat > performance of what Lotus had to do when they were forced by the market > to run away from their failed copy protection,. You're that stupid huh? > It is just a matter of time. What, before they once again commit your insane dumb a.s? Proly. Frank > This tell us that the open source Linux and open source Windows > communities are growing large enough to be a force for MS to reckon [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It is just a matter of time. I think it is happening now. |
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