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Liebach - 25 May 2008 15:59 GMT Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the best cleaner? And where to download?
Mark L. Ferguson - 25 May 2008 16:09 GMT Cleaning the registry is like putting your finger in your eye. It's an unpleasant experience to do only when necessary, and carefully at that. Getting some 'automated' way to do it is like taking a speck out of your eye with an electric toothbrush.
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> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? Adam Albright - 25 May 2008 18:03 GMT >Cleaning the registry is like putting your finger in your eye. It's an >unpleasant experience to do only when necessary, and carefully at that. >Getting some 'automated' way to do it is like taking a speck out of your eye >with an electric toothbrush. That from the copy and paste master. Funny.
Slap - 26 May 2008 02:31 GMT > Cleaning the registry is like putting your finger in your eye. It's an Don't be silly. I wonder how you learned that? --
Adam Albright - 26 May 2008 03:44 GMT >> Cleaning the registry is like putting your finger in your eye. It's an >Don't be silly. I wonder how you learned that? He's just one of several moronic copy and paste jockeys that hang out here that doesn't know a damn thing, but likes to pretend he does.
Hobbes - 25 May 2008 16:11 GMT > Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? Most will recommend against any registry cleaners. I use CCleaner ... it both gets rid of temp internet files, temp files, and other selectable items in one fell swoop. And has an option for removing "lost" registry entries. I 've never had an issue.
http://www.ccleaner.com/
Hobbes - 25 May 2008 16:20 GMT >> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >> best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.ccleaner.com/ But if you use it, be careful of settings like "Hotfix Uninstallers". Selecting such items could make the uninstall of a hotfix not possible. Don't select any settings you aren't sure of...
Bruce Chambers - 25 May 2008 16:36 GMT > Most will recommend against any registry cleaners. For good reason: They're nothing but snake oil that do absolutely nothing useful.
> I use CCleaner ... it both gets rid of temp internet files, temp files, > and other selectable items in one fell swoop. > And has an option for removing "lost" registry entries. > I 've never had an issue. CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a worthless product, in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any useful purpose, to start with.)
CCleaner's only real strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type.
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Hobbes - 25 May 2008 16:48 GMT >> Most will recommend against any registry cleaners. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any > other snake oil product of the same type. True about any performance gain. But if you uninstall a program... using something like CCleaner is a quick way to remove reg entries of that program. I've never seen hundreds of reg entries show up in it's report. Too each his own ... Its faster than F3'ing thru the registry.
Bruce Chambers - 25 May 2008 20:25 GMT > True about any performance gain. > But if you uninstall a program... using something like CCleaner is a > quick way to remove reg entries of that program. True enough, but why bother? Those orphaned entries can have no possible affect unless one subsequently attempts to reinstall the very same application. And then, a manual removal of the single offending entry is simple enough using Regedit's built-in search capability.
> I've never seen hundreds of reg entries show up in it's report. Every one has different experiences, of course. I can only report what I've seen numerous times.
> Too each his own ... Its faster than F3'ing thru the registry. Not significantly, if all you need find is one or two entries, as is usually the case. And on those few occasions when Regedit's native search capabilities don't quite cut it, NirSoft's RegScanner, (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/regscanner.html) is much safer to use, as it has no automatic "reaming" feature to accidentally enable.
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>> >> True about any performance gain. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/regscanner.html) is much safer to use, as it > has no automatic "reaming" feature to accidentally enable. I believe your stated method is the safer.
But even CCleaner gives the ability to unselect and select entries. And offers to backup the registry beforehand. If the entries are from a deleted program...then you don't need them. If they are system .dll's in the list ... a little investigating would be in order. Adults shouldn't need babying. This ain't rocket science, ya know !
Slap - 26 May 2008 02:34 GMT >> Most will recommend against any registry cleaners. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> And has an option for removing "lost" registry entries. >> I 've never had an issue. Use CCleaner on a daily basis for the past year or so... that would be at least 300 times. never a problem. This under Vista. XP I'd think at least 1000 times. Good program. --
Adam Albright - 25 May 2008 18:00 GMT >> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >> best cleaner? And where to download? > >Most will recommend against any registry cleaners. Most FOOLS will recommend against them because they don't have a clue how to properly use them and I'll wager these are the Bozos that trashed their machines because of their ignorance. Of course that applies to just about every topic the same handful of blowhards jabber aimlessly about in this crazy newsgroup day after day.
Hobbes - 25 May 2008 18:10 GMT >>> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >>> best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > applies to just about every topic the same handful of blowhards jabber > aimlessly about in this crazy newsgroup day after day. No joke. There is a performance gain when you can root out the garbage left over from poorly written programs. Its not just the registry entries but the hidden BS they point to. The number one performance issue with new PC's is the amount of garbage running that users aren't even aware are running. My stupid HP printer, if I let it , would have 6 programs running. This is the key to great performance over mediocre. This idea that only genius' can read the registry is poo. All the genius' in the world died a long time ago.
Alias - 25 May 2008 19:25 GMT >>> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >>> best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > applies to just about every topic the same handful of blowhards jabber > aimlessly about in this crazy newsgroup day after day. Just curious, which one do you use?
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kevpan815 - 26 May 2008 00:25 GMT >>> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >>> best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > applies to just about every topic the same handful of blowhards jabber > aimlessly about in this crazy newsgroup day after day. Adam My Dad Said You Are Worse Than Most Fools Because You Are A Retard Just Like What My Dad Calls Me When I Play With My Computer. Just FYI. Do You Want To Come Over And Help Me With My Computer? Just FYI. I Hear That You Live In My Area. Just FYI.
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DL - 25 May 2008 16:13 GMT Unless you know exactly what you are doing, and I suspect not, or how to recover your system when the use of such a third party tool renders the system inoperable, avoid them, they are not really necessary anyway, and have not been snce win9*
> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? Bruce Chambers - 25 May 2008 16:15 GMT > Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? There is no such thing as a "good" registry cleaner, free or otherwise.
Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry "cleaner?"
If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make wide-spread multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.
The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change.
Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry "cleaner," no matter how safe they claim to be.
More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.
Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.
I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user.
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Dan - 25 May 2008 17:06 GMT >> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >> best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in > the hands of the inexperienced user. Amen, I learnt the hard way after having to do a complete reintall of the OS after using a registry cleaner.
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Adam Albright - 25 May 2008 17:56 GMT >> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the >> best cleaner? And where to download? > > There is no such thing as a "good" registry cleaner, free or otherwise. You really have a hard on for Registry Cleaners don't you. Damn foolish. How many more times will you make the same emotional rant proving you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
Dave - 25 May 2008 16:45 GMT > Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is > the best cleaner? And where to download? I use Crap Cleaner once in a while. It's free and have had no problems with it. http://www.ccleaner.com/
I only use a registry cleaner because I often do searches in the registry and it keeps the search time down if you remove useless keys. If you have no need to do searches etc. then I wouldn't bother with a cleaner. Cleaning your registry won't make your machine suddenly better, and there is a chance it might remove something you didn't want it to.
If you do decide to use one, check carefully what it wants to remove. .
Liebach - 25 May 2008 16:57 GMT Thank you for all the responses; I now see it is a stupid idea to use a registry cleaner so I will not do it.
Thank you.
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>> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is >> the best cleaner? And where to download? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you do decide to use one, check carefully what it wants to remove. > . Hobbes - 25 May 2008 17:08 GMT > Thank you for all the responses; I now see it is a stupid idea to use a > registry cleaner so I will not do it. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> If you do decide to use one, check carefully what it wants to remove. >> . Its not totally stupid. Some programs after uninstall leave programs "hidden" on your HD. Opera used to leave a small program that would direct you to the website for a questionnaire on why did you uninstall me. Norton was good for leaving a lot of crap on your PC also. You can use registry entries to find the location of those types of problems. Getting familiar with the registry is not a bad idea. You just don't want to wantonly remove keys.
C.B. - 25 May 2008 17:26 GMT You've made a wise decision.
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> Thank you for all the responses; I now see it is a stupid idea to use a > registry cleaner so I will not do it. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> If you do decide to use one, check carefully what it wants to remove. >> . Hobbes - 25 May 2008 17:34 GMT > You've made a wise decision. > > C.B. > > It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged > and unfortunate among us. Yes...remaining ignorant is a wise decision. Heaven forbid people learn how to take control of their PC.
Adam Albright - 25 May 2008 17:57 GMT > You've made a wise decision. Another well know idiot heard from.
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> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? John Barnett MVP - 25 May 2008 17:47 GMT The wisest thing to do is 'leave well alone' If you are not capable or competent to manually edit the registry then the vast majority of registry cleaner will simply make matters worse. While I agree that CCleaner is useful for general cleaning of Temporary internet files, cookies, MRU's etc. I rarely use the registry cleaner option and when I have used it there are only ever 2 entries available for deletion; and as I know exactly what these entries are they are left exactly where they are.
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> Does anyone knows of a good Windows Vista registry cleaner? Where is the > best cleaner? And where to download? Hobbes - 25 May 2008 18:23 GMT > The wisest thing to do is 'leave well alone' If you are not capable or > competent to manually edit the registry then the vast majority of registry [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there are only ever 2 entries available for deletion; and as I know > exactly what these entries are they are left exactly where they are. Associate Expert ? WTF is that ? Your expertise is in associations? Or do you only associate with other Experts? An Expert ... you used to be pert?
johngalt - 25 May 2008 18:49 GMT Great advice, John.
I'd like to add the following from a post I made at the Malwarebytes Forum:
'in need of a free safe registry cleaner - Malwarebytes Security Forums' (http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4269&pid=16219&mode=threa ded&start=0#entry16219)
The main reason is that it is sometimes hard as heck to figure out what is needed by the system and what is not. When Norton SystemWorks (and previous versions of the Norton Utilities) included a registry cleaner, I used to run it completely manually, so that I would have to select each 'error' and wade through whether it was really an error or simply Norton being silly and trying to hose me. It took much much longer that way, but I saved myself from hosing systems numerous times. It got to the point where I finally started making an exceptions list of keys that it would find on every scan that it wanted to delete that *I* knew actually needed to be there.
The basic premise is this - there is no possible way for a computer program to be ready for each and every program ever written for Windows and how it stores info (if it does so at all) in the registry. Thus, a reg cleaner, and especially an automatic one, is just as prone to make mistakes as a novice who is given weak instructions on how to find supposedly offending registry keys, a copy of regedit, and told to remove all offending keys, even those that 'seem' offensive.
The heavy reliance on the registry that Windows makes these days makes it sometimes impossible to recover from a hosed registry, unless you really know what you are doing - and with more and more systems being sold with only a single HD, and without separate partitions for system / OS and for data, you simply take too big of a risk in hosing your computer, and then having to format and start from scratch.
Even with my pretty strong experience with using registry cleaners in the past, I shun them now and watch very carefully what I *do* delete with automatic cleaners like CCleaner. It's just a matter of "Better safe than sorry."
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