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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / General Topics / May 2008Is it game over for Windows Vista?
Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista? http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-W indows-Vista-.aspx By Damian Francis, 5/22/2008 4:14:46 PM The saviour that was meant to be, Vista Service Pack 1, isn't. In some cases it's actually a performance decrease for an operating system already grinding up-to-date PCs to a halt. XP fans (for the most part) are happily using Service Pack 3, and Windows 7 (formerly known as Blackcomb) is barking at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early release in Q3 2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance. Not much has gone right for Microsoft's fledgling OS. First it was delayed over three years (initially it was meant to be a stopgap between XP and 7, but then turned into a fully fledged OS), then stories of incompatible software and drivers surfaced. Most recently Vista Service Pack 1 was pulled from Automatic Download. Now that it's back up and running it could very well be the one and only service pack ever released for the struggling OS. Microsoft has shot itself in the foot in two ways with regards to Vista. Firstly, it went ahead with the release of Service Pack 3 for the hugely popular Windows XP. Secondly, its progress on Windows 7 and its potential release ahead of schedule has been extensively covered by the media. What this means is that consumers who were reluctant to switch from a perfectly reliable XP SP2 to Vista now have no reason to. They have a fresh upgrade in SP3 that should be able to see them through the roughly 1.5 years until Windows 7 hits shelves. No matter what kind of reluctant computer user you are, swapping to Vista just doesn't make sense anymore. There are a few different perspectives you can look at it from. It's hard to come up with reasons for broad groups of computer users, like gamers, business users and home users to migrate to Vista as well. Gamers especially should be running for the hills whenever they hear the word Vista. Yes, it's the only way you can get DirectX 10, but is that really a big enough carrot to dangle in front of gamers? Not by a long shot. While DirectX 10 delivers a significant improvement in graphics, Vista provides a significant drop off in performance, even with SP1. In fact, it's been proven that installing SP1 could actually make your PC slower. What's more, over a year after Vista was released, there still isn't a compelling enough library of games that make good enough use of DirectX 10 to justify the upgrade (around 20 only if Wikipedia is to be believed). It's no wonder gaming PC manufacturers like Alienware and NRG by Altech have only just switched over to supplying their machines with Vista. Business users are in the same boat. Most important to them is reliability and security. But Vista isn't any better than XP in either reliability or security. Most of the security issues with XP were fixed with SP2 and even more have been fixed with SP3. Any additional problems are more than likely to have been dealt with by third party tools and applications. Reliability is a non-contest. XP has a five-year head start. Add to this the fact that the reason SP1 was pulled from Automatic Download was an issue with Microsoft's Dynamic RMS software used by small to medium businesses and the Vista doesn't seem all that welcoming. Furthermore, business users are well aware of the fact that there are still plenty of drivers and software that won't play nice with the OS, a particular problem for small businesses requiring obscure software. Financially, it wouldn't be a smart idea for them either. The cost of upgrading an entire company to Windows Vista can't be justified if another operating system is just around the corner. Even general home users have no reason to upgrade. This is the group that doesn't mind using technology that's not at the forefront. They use PCs for email, music, the Internet and minesweeper. Upgrading from XP to Vista will likely turn a working PC into a sloth if users have less than 2GB of memory, and it can become quite costly if they need to upgrade their PC's specs to handle the transition on top of purchasing the OS. If they wait a year and a half they'll have a new computer with Windows 7. And so far the signs are good that Windows 7 will definitely be worth the wait. Rumours suggest that it will include a completely new user interface, inbuilt virtualisation to run old software (please let it be true), and an all-new kernel. The simple fact is Microsoft can't make the same mistakes as it has with Vista. Those boys and girls at Redmond are smart cookies, even if they do make the odd slip up (what the hell was Windows Me?), so you can expect Windows 7 to have learnt from its predecessor's mistakes. Vista hasn't been a commercial flop though. Since it went on sale in January 2007, Microsoft reports that it has sold over 140 million copies of the operating system. But as Mark Raby of TG daily pointed out, Vista sales actually defy consumer demand. If you buy a new computer you get a copy of Vista, whether you like it or not. The demand for downgrading has been so strong that HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu and Gateway, among others, have all jumped on the downgrade bandwagon. Fujitsu even included an XP disc with some of the Vista computers. But to downgrade you first need to buy a computer with a copy of Vista. Game, set, match, Microsoft. The cat's out of the bag now, you simply don't need Vista. Microsoft could have kept the gravy train going quite easily by abandoning XP SP3 and/or concealing its release plans for Windows 7. For some reason Microsoft decided it would be a good idea to publicise a possible 2009 release for Windows 7 while giving off mixed signals with XP by halting sales of new computers with the OS but releasing the SP3 upgrade. Consumers should probably be thankful for this though. Without SP3 and knowing the release date for Windows 7 it would have been a safe assumption that Vista would have a long shelf life, considering the delays and the amount of money that went into its production. Initially it was earmarked as the next big thing for Microsoft, indeed the next Windows 95 almost. Instead, Microsoft has just created Windows Me 2. Do you think Windows Vista is tops or a flop? Discuss it in our forums. One of the main reasons for Vista sales has been the fact that most retailers did NOT tell customers that they could still buy XP. I strike it day in, day out with new customers of mine running Vista! They feel like they have been conned; and they have! And as for fast Networking in business situations with Vista; forget it!  SignatureMick Murphy - Qld - Australia > Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista? > http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-W indows-Vista-.aspx [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > > One of the main reasons for Vista sales has been the fact that most > retailers > did NOT tell customers that they could still buy XP. > > I strike it day in, day out with new customers of mine running Vista! > They feel like they have been conned; and they have! That's why I won't buy Windows 7, and certainly not after paying a V*sta licence for only a couple of years' use. Bye bye Microsoft, and good riddance. Regards > And as for fast Networking in business situations with Vista; forget it! > [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] >> >> Do you think Windows Vista is tops or a flop? Discuss it in our forums. Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though, unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than 2 years. Signature> Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista? > http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-W indows-Vista-.aspx [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > barking at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early > release in Q3 2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance. > Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure > about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than > 2 years. Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7. >> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure >> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at >LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7. What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The fanboys haven't learned that yet. >>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure >>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The > fanboys haven't learned that yet. You know, you are a fanboy yourself. You are a fanboy of Howdy Duty and Ronald MacDonald the grates of the clown profession in their own rights. And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns. >>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure >>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get >paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns. Amazing how the truth about Microsoft brings out a nasty streak in blowhards like yourself. <snicker> >>>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure >>>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Amazing how the truth about Microsoft brings out a nasty streak in > blowhards like yourself. <snicker> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your snake in the grass character. There is no other agenda here fool but to mess with you and your one track mind. You are an easy target with a big mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past your prime. >>>>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure >>>>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your >snake in the grass character. Oh poor little baby, did I hurt your feeling, have your mommy pat you on your head so you feel better. >There is no other agenda here fool but to >mess with you and your one track mind. So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are you. >You are an easy target with a big >mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the >Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on >this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past >your prime. You're confusing me with the well known resident and all around moron Frank that lives in this newsgroup. >> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your >> snake in the grass character. > > Oh poor little baby, did I hurt your feeling, have your mommy pat you > on your head so you feel better. The only one you're hurting is yourself with your actions. Are you this old and crazy that it's beyond your abilities to realize your actions, which have eroded due to your medications? >> There is no other agenda here fool but to >> mess with you and your one track mind. > > So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are > you. It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it. >> You are an easy target with a big >> mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You're confusing me with the well known resident and all around moron > Frank that lives in this newsgroup. No, I see you clearly crawling around in the grass in broad day light when you have your strength due to a couple of glasses of Geritol, old snake. >>> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your >>> snake in the grass character. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > No, I see you clearly crawling around in the grass in broad day light when > you have your strength due to a couple of glasses of Geritol, old snake. Sounds like Frank alright. >>> There is no other agenda here fool but to >>> mess with you and your one track mind. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you >would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it. Well doofus, I treat people like they treat me. You're nice, I'm nice, you want to act a smartass, I'll simply turn it around and make you look even more stupid and slice and dice you into hundreds of pieces. Your choice as always. HOW I treat people is directly proportional to how they respond to me and others. So you're own worst enemy but obviously too dumb to know it. I see you like the idiot Frank are very easy to annoy and I have no trouble at all getting under your skin. So I should add temper, temper little man, you make it way too easy. > >>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well doofus, I treat people like they treat me. You must have been treated bad out of your mama's womb from the outset, some kind of head trauma like a kick in your head instead of a slap on your behind. > You're nice, I'm nice, > you want to act a smartass, I'll simply turn it around and make you > look even more stupid and slice and dice you into hundreds of pieces. You seem to have murderous intentions on you mind. Do you always have those kind of thoughts? Where is the wagon headed to the asylum that needs to pick you up? You are a danger and a menace to society if someone like you is walking around in society. Albright, you may be a distant relative of Jack the Ripper, and you don't know it. > Your choice as always. HOW I treat people is directly proportional to > how they respond to me and others. That is so much snake-oil that I find it hard to believe that it's coming out of your snake mouth. All one has to have is the word Microsoft or Vista on his or her breath to watch you act sub-human as your reply. ;-) What is it that you think you're doing if you don't see yourself looking like a lunatic? Why do you do the things that you do? Why do a couple of words send you into a frenzy when you see them? > So you're own worst enemy but > obviously too dumb to know it. I see you like the idiot Frank are very > easy to annoy and I have no trouble at all getting under your skin. So > I should add temper, temper little man, you make it way too easy. <VBG> and lol you think I a mad at you. ;-) It's just observation here old boy about your continuous lunacy and your rabid dog behavior that even makes me play the game and push your button. Your barking is loud, and the foam dripping from you fangs is study. You are a silly old man that has no life, face it. ;-) There is no excuse for you other than you are crazy. ;-) It doesn't take much to push an old crazy man's button like you and watch you act truly crazy. ;-) LOL, LOL and LOL this old man is really crazy. I really do think you want to marry Frank. He is on your mind all of time. It's ridiculous. <g> >> >>>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >some kind of head trauma like a kick in your head instead of a slap on >your behind. Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your identity moron. > Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the > header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your > identity moron. Poor, poor old Albright you are past your prime, over the hill and your trash talk is no good anymore. You just can't handle the truth. The only nut is you Albright, but you can't handle the truth about yourself and seek professional help. You have been told by more than a few people on Unset that you are a nut case, and I suspect you have been told that you are a nut case by your family too. All one has to do is push your button and watch you start acting like a sack of human waste, before that pea brain of yours kicks in and you back off. >> Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the >> header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sack of human waste, before that pea brain of yours kicks in and you > back off. I think aa enjoys having his fat stupid a.s kicked all over this ng cause everyone in here has been doing it to him...hahaha...LOL! Frank > I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your > snake in the grass character. There is no other agenda here fool but to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past > your prime. You must like talking to yourself. Everything that you have said very aptly applies to you. Get a life. SignatureRon If we are what we eat then: I'm fast, cheap and easy and past my best before date > What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be > bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for > prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The > fanboys haven't learned that yet. Then, why don't you just stop your continual bitching and complaining and adopt another manufacturer's product or write your own for that matter. All that you are doing here is demonstrating your inability to make a choice that makes sense to suit your requirements while complaining about something that you obviously don't and won't accept. SignatureRon P If we are what we eat then: I'm fast, cheap and easy and past my best before date |
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