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Windows Forum / Windows Vista / General Topics / May 2008It's not Vista there's something wrong with, it's the hardware requirements.
Hi, I got a new powerful laptop with Vista on it. No problems whatsoever. Everything works and looks good. So I got excited and installed Vista on my old laptop (if 18 months years is considered "old"). Lots of problems on a laptop which had run XP flawlessly since it was new. I had to go back to XP. Simple as that. I just read this blog post: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/93962 It shows that the main reason for major corporations against moving to Vista is hardware cost related, not necessarily tied to the quality of the OS. To be realistic, I think this should be the main concern for consumers as well: If I can't afford the hardware needed I should not upgrade. The situation is actually similar to what people experience with some of the new games coming out. Let's take Crysis, unless you have the latest and greatest in graphics acceleration hardware on your computer it simply won't run! That doesn't make Crysis a bad game, does it? This brings me to my main problem with Microsoft and Vista: They actually led us to believe we could run Vista on hardware which is not able to handle it at all. My old laptop had a "Vista Ready" sticker on it. It wasn't even close to be ready for Vista. That's bad of course, but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done.  Signature//ceed If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been using Vista. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new > laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done. |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] || ||-- //ceed I've been using Vista on 5 different machines since it came out. I use Vista for work and are online with OS at least 12 hours every day. As I've said on the newer hardware I have not had problems at all except for UAC and stuff which is easy to disable. Come to think of it, why do I even respond to someone who claims to know if someone else has been using Vista or not. Signature//ceed > |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't > |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Come to think of it, why do I even respond to someone who claims to > know if someone else has been using Vista or not. You can install and use Windows Me but that doesn't make it a good OS. Alias >> |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't >> |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Alias Got any more stupid, dumb and irrelevant remarks? Idiot! Frank >>> |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't >>> |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > *Idiot! > Frank * It looks like you do not think highly of yourself. -------------------------------------- Why did you give up all caps MEASHERSHITHEAD? Oh and how about posting in HTML, huh? You do know that everyone in every ng you post in hates your lying stupid ignorant a.s right?...LOL! Frank >> |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't >> |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Alias You can put a gun to your head - AND you can pull the trigger >>> |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't >>> |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > You can put a gun to your head - AND you can pull the trigger You first. Alias >>>> |If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't >>>> |been using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Alias I guess she went first. Heh. Alias If you can say there is nothing wrong with OSX, Ubuntu, or ANY other OS or for that matter, ANY thing you can think of in the universe, then you are dead........ Kurt > If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been > using Vista. > If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been > using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new >> laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done. Every OS has problems of one kind or another, the majority of which can be overcome if you seek advice from knowledgeable people or research the issues yourself. By the same token, all newsgroups have problem posters, such as yourself. Your post is of no assistance whatsoever and offers nothing of value. C.B. SignatureIt is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged and unfortunate among us. >> If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been >> using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >C.B. What C. B. meant to say was this newsgroup has a well established clique of up tight, mostly know nothing posters that think this place is suppose to be fan club for Microsoft and everybody not a cheerleader is fair game with this clique trying to attack or discredit anyone not supporting their narrow and often backward views. >>> If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been >>> using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > cheerleader is fair game with this clique trying to attack or > discredit anyone not supporting their narrow and often backward views. Oh my good! Someone should look at your history in this NG as you routinely attack people and their character. You are no Saint Albright far from it. >>> If you can say there is nothing wrong with Vista then you haven't been >>> using Vista. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > cheerleader is fair game with this clique trying to attack or > discredit anyone not supporting their narrow and often backward views. What Adam Albright means is that he puts people down for any view that isn't HIS view and Adam runs the Retard Fan Club and everyone is fair game for an attack by Adam. That is exactly what the douche bag Adam means. Just FYI > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new > laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done. Your old laptop may have run Vista better if it had more resources. Bear in mind that the manufactures offer one model at varying levels of overall competence.. SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx |Your old laptop may have run Vista better if it had more resources. |Bear in mind that the manufactures offer one model at varying levels |of overall competence.. You are absolutely right. But when something comes with a sticker saying it's ready for Vista I was stupid enough to believe it. I did add another gig of memory on it, but it still didn't work right, and the manufacturer still doesn't have all the needed Vista updates for it. Signature//ceed Hi, Just a comment, as I don't disagree with your observations: Part of the problem is that the terms "Vista Ready" and "Vista Capable" weren't defined well by Microsoft and the system vendors. The consumer expectation was, and I think reasonably so, that it mean the system would be able to run Vista and all of it's high end graphics and peformance standards in full glory. The actual intent of those terms is that those systems would be able to run Vista, but without all the higher end functions enabled. Just as my old 1997 AMD 333 processor w/128MB of ram would run XP, just without all the fancy, or as they were called at the time, comic-book graphics. In a similar fashion, if you want to think of it this way, a Ford Escort is capable of 90mph, but it won't do it like a Mustang will. SignatureBest of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new > laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done. |Hi, | [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] |In a similar fashion, if you want to think of it this way, a Ford |Escort is capable of 90mph, but it won't do it like a Mustang will. Very good points! However, on my older laptop I was not even able to run some of it's built in functionality like web cab and multimedia buttons under Vista. Eventually updates were made available, but they didn't work well, so I went back to XP. Signature//ceed Hi ceed, > However, on my older laptop I was not even able to run some of it's > built in functionality like web cab and multimedia buttons under Vista. > Eventually updates were made available, but they didn't work well, so I > went back to XP. On the webcam, it likely needed a firmware update - many of these did. The multimedia buttons are a function of the keyboard driver, and they won't work as they should unless a Vista-specific driver is written to enable them. Sometimes a machine will simply function better with one OS over the other. I try to stick with what works. SignatureBest of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com <snip> > This brings me to my main problem with Microsoft and Vista: They > actually led us to believe we could run Vista on hardware which is not > able to handle it at all. My old laptop had a "Vista Ready" sticker on > it. It wasn't even close to be ready for Vista. That's bad of course, > but doesn't take away the fact that I really like Vista on my new > laptop. It's stable, it looks good, it gets the job done. Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. No they didn't, but they probably didn't tell the PC manufacturers not to use those stickers either. Or do you think HP, Dell and the others put them on there randomly without any involvement from Microsoft at all? I don't. This article indicates that Microsoft isn't completely innocent when it comes to these stickers: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/were_vista_capable_stickers_incapab le.html Signature//ceed > |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/were_vista_capable_stickers_incapab le.html The sticker thing was a mess all round, made worse by the fact that the manufacturers were slow in properly preparing for Vista. Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run Vista as well as a higher powered machine would.. SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx >> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run > Vista as well as a higher powered machine would.. How in late 2006 could you prepare for Vista and still have an affordable PC? Say one under $1000? Microsoft is clueless as to what their main stream customers want. Not all of go out and spend $500 for the lowest latency RAM, another $500 for the state of the art video GPU, then buy at least 3GB or RAM with dual core in later 2006/early 2007. Oh yea, it works on a low end new PC alright, just not a good experience. The market is moving to laptops and tablets and their isn't the power to drive a high end GPU. I don't know internally what makes Vista slow like a snail, but bloated Vista is not a good match to what the main line market wants. >>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > a snail, but bloated Vista is not a good match to what the main line > market wants. You are so stuck on prices, and so off the mark at the same time.. SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx >>>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > You are so stuck on prices, and so off the mark at the same time.. Isn't Microsoft being sued for this misrepresentation? A F150 can haul a 747 too. But I don't think Ford advertises it due to practicality. The Vista-747 is the same way, a heavy. >>>>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > A F150 can haul a 747 too. But I don't think Ford advertises it due to > practicality. The Vista-747 is the same way, a heavy. Not without a massive amount of strengthening, it can't. Microsoft didn't clearly state to the manufacturers the true meanings of the labels, and the manufacturers took full advantage by passing off crap as Vista Ready/Compatible.. But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems.. SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx >>>>>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems.. You've already demonstrated how far you can crawl up Microsoft's a.s. Are you trying to break Frank's record? >>>>>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > But then the manufacturers did the same with all other operating systems.. My point though is that this isn't the consumers fault. I would not doubt the vendors were over zealous of putting Vista-compatible on the PCs. The consumer isn't going to view it as MS is OK and the vendor is the perp. Besides I believe all vendors have had their issues, Dell, HP, Aspire, Lenovo and others. But I do not see how Microsoft is not in part to blame no mater how you look at it. Developing a OS that needs such high performance and specific and perfect drivers to operate correctly - they should have built a PC that could do it. But the tides are turning. Going to have to get one of these Eee PC things...Amazon and others can't seem to keep the Linux ones in stock. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/ >>>>>>> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your >>>>>>> laptop. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/ Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom knew better, put money before customer satisfaction. Vista requires a reasonably decent computer on which to run, but it does not require the most expensive of everything as you seem to believe. Re drivers, could you please give one example of an OS which does not need specific drivers in order to run a device and, while you are about it, provide a reason why you think that the device manufacturers don't write a 'one driver fits all' driver. The Eee PC will have the same success with turning tides as King Canute. Is the Eee PC waterproof? Which one did you have in mind? http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm SignatureMike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx |Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom |knew better, put money before customer satisfaction. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | |http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm Of course Microsoft is partly to blame, so is the PC manufacturers, and finally so am I for believing a sticker. I should have known better! It's like when the Linux crowd says "Ubuntu is so easy to install and runs on almost all computers". If they put a sticker like that on a computer and tried to sell it to me I would be a fool to believe it coz it ain't true! Neither was the "Vista Ready" thing. The computers might have been "Vista Ready", but when it came down to it they couldn't handle it. Signature//ceed > |Microsoft are partly to blame, but the manufacturers, all of whom > |knew better, put money before customer satisfaction. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > have been "Vista Ready", but when it came down to it they couldn't > handle it. Well, the PC makers fall down badly on at least one aspect, memory. XP machines did not have enough, Vista machines do not have enough, I suppose they "Hope" users will upgrade but most people do not want to dismantle a new machine. Every OS runs better with more memory. This is not made clear in the ads. Sure XP will run with 256MB, Vista with 1GB, but at least double that to get a decent performance with more than a couple of tasks. CPU speed is irrelevant without the support of adequate memory. This traps the less knowledgeable user every time. >> |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Having said that, surely nobody expects a lower powered machine to run Vista >as well as a higher powered machine would.. As usual, when Mike Hall opens his mouth, crap falls out. Reality check: One of several marketing tactics used by Microsoft to increase sales is the so-called Vista Certified logo program. Unlike a NEW or IMPROVED sticker on a cereal box or toilet paper that is announcing some trivial improvement Microsoft is saying by allowing hardware makers to stick a Vista Certified logo on their products is they stand behind the product and have required that the hardware that bears the Vista Certified logo to have been through and PASSED extensive lab testing and will perform up to certain standards. This is to ensure potential customers when buying new hardware that the hardware will perform correctly under Vista. The reality is THIS IS A BOLD FACE LIE. I know from first hand experience. I bought a Gigabyte motherboard over a year ago that carried the Vista Certified logo. The primary reason I bought it... to avoid problems. They also had this logo plastered all over their web site. This board did NOT run properly under Vista with regard to SATA drives and also failed to perform correctly with the included Ethernet controller. Not until MONTHS later when proper Vista drivers were finally offered did either work correctly. This is FRAUD pure and simple. The inescapable conclusion is the Vista Certified logo is worthless and is allowed to be used to sell hardware that has NOT passed testing resulting in customers enduring problems they were assured would not happen. Fanboys fools of course giggle and try to make up excuses why this isn't Microsoft's fault. Of course it is their fault since they knowingly allow hardware to be sold carrying a Vista Certified logo that is then shipped without the necessary drivers needed making the logo program many customer depend on to make buying choices worthless. Know maybe you'll begin to understand some of resentment towards Microsoft when things like this have been happening for years. The bottom line is Microsoft has no accountability and accepts no responsibility for anything. It is one never ending con game to get people to buy more Microsoft crap. > |Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/were_vista_capable_stickers_incapab le.html Actually I Read somewhere that Microsoft lowered the standards at the manufacturers request as they didn't make much that met the spec. That is, most new PCs couldn't run Vista by the original spec. >> This brings me to my main problem with Microsoft and Vista: They >> actually led us to believe we could run Vista on hardware which is not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Psst! Microsoft didn't put the "Vista Ready" sticker on your laptop. You are absolutely right! They did something worse which was give in to Intel's choice to defraud customers with the whole Vista ready fiasco. MS Really screwed up on that one! 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