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minimus - 29 May 2008 11:25 GMT Hello,
I have a xp core duo 2 machine at my work with 500mb ram (desktop) and vista ultimate core 2 duo at home with 1gb ram (laptop). I use a statistics package for my calculations. While the comp at my work does the calculations in say 10 seconds, my home comp does it in 20 seconds. Where might be the problem? Why my desktop is faster than my laptop?
thanks in advance for answers.
Ormsby - 29 May 2008 13:00 GMT That's the price for falling for the Vista rip-off. I have a 2ghz machine with 750mb memory using XP and it runs faster than my new machine with a 3ghz dual core processor, 8gb of memory and Vista 64
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Ramone - 29 May 2008 13:14 GMT Probably a difference in processor and hard drive speeds. You didn't give much hardware info.
Mark
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > thanks in advance for answers. solon fox - 29 May 2008 14:24 GMT In addition to what Mark wrote about processor and hard drive speeds, one should consider the amount of available memory. Your XP with 500MB RAM may have more available memory than your Vista with 1GB RAM.
I would recommend a minimum of 2GB RAM and a 256MB video RAM for Vista Ultimate, which are both substantially greater than what Microsoft recommends as the minimums. The difference is between simply allowing it to run and getting decent performance.
Many of the people that complain about system performance under Vista are simply underpowered. Yes, it is a fact that Vista requires more hardware. I say to them, get over it. XP required more than 2000, which required more than NT, which required more than 98 and so on. Your cell phone probably has more compute power than NASA used to put a man on the moon, but you still wouldn't try to put a man on the moon with your cell phone.
IMHO, it is a sad thing that so many OEM's are still selling Vista preloaded on machines that shouldn't have it. If you want happy customers, then make sure what you're selling will have enough power to perform. OEM's should quit doing that. Microsoft should increase their minimum recommended configuration to a minimum standard of performance, or an XP equivalency rating.
-solon fox
> Probably a difference in processor and hard drive speeds. You didn't give > much hardware info. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - R. McCarty - 29 May 2008 14:34 GMT To "Recover" or restore performance to Vista one consideration is whether the user requires extensive search capability. If not then a change to Windows Search will lower the overall system loading. While indexing has value, it tends to become a persistent drag on the performance of Vista and if the user doesn't need the capability then allowing it to run may not be needed.
In addition to what Mark wrote about processor and hard drive speeds, one should consider the amount of available memory. Your XP with 500MB RAM may have more available memory than your Vista with 1GB RAM.
I would recommend a minimum of 2GB RAM and a 256MB video RAM for Vista Ultimate, which are both substantially greater than what Microsoft recommends as the minimums. The difference is between simply allowing it to run and getting decent performance.
Many of the people that complain about system performance under Vista are simply underpowered. Yes, it is a fact that Vista requires more hardware. I say to them, get over it. XP required more than 2000, which required more than NT, which required more than 98 and so on. Your cell phone probably has more compute power than NASA used to put a man on the moon, but you still wouldn't try to put a man on the moon with your cell phone.
IMHO, it is a sad thing that so many OEM's are still selling Vista preloaded on machines that shouldn't have it. If you want happy customers, then make sure what you're selling will have enough power to perform. OEM's should quit doing that. Microsoft should increase their minimum recommended configuration to a minimum standard of performance, or an XP equivalency rating.
-solon fox
On May 29, 8:14 am, "Ramone" <hotmexi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Probably a difference in processor and hard drive speeds. You didn't give > much hardware info. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - the wharf rat - 29 May 2008 15:10 GMT >are simply underpowered. Yes, it is a fact that Vista requires more >hardware. I say to them, get over it. XP required more than 2000, >which required more than NT, which required more than 98 and so on. Pfffftt.
Xp "required" ~50% more than 2000, and in fact runs perfectly well on systems well under minimum spec. Vista requires 4x the hardware XP does, and then runs only in a sort of approximated mode.*
And dont' hand me that nonsense about a new OS simply requires new hardware. EVERY OTHER VENDOR IN THE WORLD writes their new release to the current hardware, and as hardware improves their users take advantage of the new feature set. Only MS writes operating systems that don't run unless you have cutting-edge systems.
* XP: 233MHz cpu, 64MB ram, 1.5GB disc, Vista: 1GHz CPU (4X), 512MB RAM (8x), 40GB disc space + graphics requirements, 2000: 133MHz, 64MB, 640MB disc.
Adam Albright - 29 May 2008 15:22 GMT >>are simply underpowered. Yes, it is a fact that Vista requires more >>hardware. I say to them, get over it. XP required more than 2000, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >of the new feature set. Only MS writes operating systems that don't run >unless you have cutting-edge systems. Worse, the vendors often claim their hardware is ready by slapping on a Vista Certified logo when it is shipped WITHOUT the necessary Vista drivers having even been released yet. There ought to be a law...
Microsoft is one of the most hated corporations in the world. Geez, I wonder why that is. Hmm...
When was the last time you saw the CEO of Procter and Gamble or IBM get egged or have a pie thrown in their face? Never happens. Yet both these things happened to the top two executive of Microsoft.
Still the mentally retarded fanboy crew sing Microsoft's praises. Damn funny.
solon fox - 29 May 2008 15:32 GMT > In article <a1ae8509-200b-4725-b0ae-33f1ac7e2...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > * XP: 233MHz cpu, 64MB ram, 1.5GB disc, Vista: 1GHz CPU (4X), 512MB RAM (8x), > 40GB disc space + graphics requirements, 2000: 133MHz, 64MB, 640MB disc. What other vendor? Apple? Not true. Each release of Mac OS required more than the last. A big difference is that Apple sells Apple computers. Microsoft doesn't sell Microsoft computers. We could talk about MVS, or Solaris, HP-UX, but it wouldn't matter. I think that both Microsoft and PC makers need to change the way they sell and what they market as a minimum configuration. A minimum recommended configuration should provide better performance than the last generation.
Its no secret that Microsoft is bloatware and they constantly throw more stuff in; but, such is their market. One might even make reasonable arguments in favor of Apple or Linux, but it doesn't really matter either. Microsoft is ubiquitous. Apple might be popular in arts and education, Linux has yet to penetrate the home market; but, Microsoft is the de facto standard for business.
IMHO, Microsoft made a gargantuan mistake with the recommended config and OEM's happily sold it to an unsuspecting public. Cie la vi! Microsoft so dominates the market that it has barely even bruised their egos. I think they hear the voices of disgust, but they aren't likely to change their roadmap despite the heavy criticism. If I ran Microsoft, I would demand an equivalency performance rating and configuration recommendation. Consumers wouldn't be so upset, if Vista were only installed on configurations that could truly handle it, which would mean a longer life for XP. You see it on these boards every day. In a couple of years, it won't matter.
-solon fox
the wharf rat - 29 May 2008 15:44 GMT >What other vendor? Sun. IBM. HP. RedHat. QNX. SCO. Hell, even ID and Epic write to current hardware.
>We could talk about MVS, or Solaris, HP-UX, but it wouldn't matter. Why? Because it doesn't support your wrong-headed assertions?
xfile - 30 May 2008 00:27 GMT >IMHO, it is a sad thing that so many OEM's are still selling Vista >preloaded on machines that shouldn't have it. If you want happy >customers, then make sure what you're selling will have enough power >to perform. OEM's should quit doing that. I don't blame them at all. Most people don't buy Porsche, Farrari, or Corvette because they don't need that kind of performance and/or they don't wish to spend money on cars (regardless of they can afford or not), and it's the same as they don't see the benefits of owning a powerful computer.
What system builders are doing is simply responding to the demand from their customers based on the amount of money that they are willing to spend on the item, just like you would for a car, dress, house, and so on. It's nothing new and it has always been like this.
What will you do If a car dealer will sell you nothing but a Porsche or Corvette? You would just buy it or turn to another dealer? What will happen if the entire market has only those two or three cars?
You could try to "educate" customers for the "benefits", but still, it's up to them to decide if those benefits are practical or relevant, and more importantly, if they want to spend money on it.
The market is moving toward low-price and commodity-like systems, and that's how the majority sees the value of computers.
>Microsoft should increase >their minimum recommended configuration to a minimum standard of >performance, or an XP equivalency rating. Agreed. My view is that they want to cope with the market trend for the purchasing cost except the product doesn't meet that standard.
In addition to what Mark wrote about processor and hard drive speeds, one should consider the amount of available memory. Your XP with 500MB RAM may have more available memory than your Vista with 1GB RAM.
I would recommend a minimum of 2GB RAM and a 256MB video RAM for Vista Ultimate, which are both substantially greater than what Microsoft recommends as the minimums. The difference is between simply allowing it to run and getting decent performance.
Many of the people that complain about system performance under Vista are simply underpowered. Yes, it is a fact that Vista requires more hardware. I say to them, get over it. XP required more than 2000, which required more than NT, which required more than 98 and so on. Your cell phone probably has more compute power than NASA used to put a man on the moon, but you still wouldn't try to put a man on the moon with your cell phone.
IMHO, it is a sad thing that so many OEM's are still selling Vista preloaded on machines that shouldn't have it. If you want happy customers, then make sure what you're selling will have enough power to perform. OEM's should quit doing that. Microsoft should increase their minimum recommended configuration to a minimum standard of performance, or an XP equivalency rating.
-solon fox
On May 29, 8:14 am, "Ramone" <hotmexi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Probably a difference in processor and hard drive speeds. You didn't give > much hardware info. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Charlie Tame - 31 May 2008 14:58 GMT Yes, exactly right. I would estimate that Vista with 2GB is roughly equivalent to XP with 512. They should not be selling 1GB Vista machines at all really.
> In addition to what Mark wrote about processor and hard drive speeds, > one should consider the amount of available memory. Your XP with 500MB [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>> thanks in advance for answers.- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - Nonny - 31 May 2008 15:11 GMT >Yes, exactly right. I would estimate that Vista with 2GB is roughly >equivalent to XP with 512. They should not be selling 1GB Vista machines >at all really. One gig is just fine with Vista Home Basic... but finding a machine with that isn't easy unless you order it custom built.
>> In addition to what Mark wrote about processor and hard drive speeds, >> one should consider the amount of available memory. Your XP with 500MB [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>> thanks in advance for answers.- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - Charlie Tame - 31 May 2008 15:25 GMT >> Yes, exactly right. I would estimate that Vista with 2GB is roughly >> equivalent to XP with 512. They should not be selling 1GB Vista machines [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>>>> thanks in advance for answers.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - Charlie Tame - 31 May 2008 15:33 GMT >> Yes, exactly right. I would estimate that Vista with 2GB is roughly >> equivalent to XP with 512. They should not be selling 1GB Vista machines >> at all really. > > One gig is just fine with Vista Home Basic... but finding a machine > with that isn't easy unless you order it custom built. I have found that Vista runs slightly differently on machines of the same basic spec, you know, maybe the difference is just a later version of the same motherboard, but ultimate seems to definitely benefit from 2GB or more on all the ones I have built. I don't dispute that some machines with 1GB are okay, but for what RAM costs to the manufacturers it seems foolish to risk their reputations to save a few dollars.
Nonny - 31 May 2008 17:11 GMT >>> Yes, exactly right. I would estimate that Vista with 2GB is roughly >>> equivalent to XP with 512. They should not be selling 1GB Vista machines [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >machines with 1GB are okay, but for what RAM costs to the manufacturers >it seems foolish to risk their reputations to save a few dollars. Mine's a home-built and it's just as fast as XP was was.
Dwarf - 29 May 2008 16:14 GMT Hi minimus,
There are several reasons why you are experiencing the difference in performance between the 2 machines, and I shall list them below in no specific order. These should give you some idea as to why there is a difference in apparent performance. Dwarf
1) You are using 2 operating systems, XP and Vista. The system requirements for Vista are higher than that for XP. 2) Power configuration. A desktop machine is connected to the mains, so runs at maximum performance. A laptop is more often than not run on battery power, so the power settings are set to take account of this - everything is underclocked. Lower frequencies means less power required, which in turn gives greater battery life between recharges. Of course, if you run the laptop with an adapter connected, you can change the configuration to give you maximum performance as opposed to maximum power saving. 3) Memory. In most modern desktops memory can utilise dual channel mode, thereby doubling the amount of data transferred to and from the memory with each clock cycle. Very few, if any, laptops offer dual channel memory capability. 4) The version of the software you are using. 5) The actual configuration of your machine. Software running in the backround and, on the Vista machine, the 'Aero' settings.
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > thanks in advance for answers. minimus - 29 May 2008 17:13 GMT dear all, thanks! I think I have some ideas. Maybe I will upgade to 2 ram first....
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > thanks in advance for answers. minimus - 29 May 2008 17:13 GMT dear all, thanks! I think I have some ideas. Maybe I will upgade to 2 ram first....
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > thanks in advance for answers. C.B. - 29 May 2008 20:43 GMT > dear all, > thanks! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> thanks in advance for answers. minimus,
RAM is cheap. I would suggest upgrading to 3GB and letting Windows manage your pagefile..
C.B.
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