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Threshold - 23 Aug 2008 01:12 GMT
Hi guys,

New kid on the block here (and by saying this I have really shown that
I am not a kid any longer).

Anyway.

I am having this problem and I will appreciate anyone who is willing to
help.

I have changed icon to several folders in order to easily spot them
when I minimize them on the taskbar.

After I open any of the folders with the changed icon and minimize them
to the taskbar all is fine and the new icon is shown correctly.

But as soon as I maximize the folder, work on any file inside and than
minimize it again the icon shown is the general yellow one with the
green arrow pointing up.

Bear in mind that the icon is not lost on the folder customization
since it still shows fine in Explorer Window.
It is just lost when I minimize it to the taskbar where I would need it
the most.

If I close the folder and reopen it the icon is back there on the
taskbar as long as I don't touch it.

I have changed the icon either using the Windows method or programs
that do it for you but I still have the same problem.
One of the vendors of this software told me it's a Vista problem.

Any help on this since I really need help in easily spotting the many
folders on my taskbar?

I'm on VISTA HOME PREMIUM SP1 (in Italian if it matters).

Many thanks!

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Threshold - 25 Aug 2008 14:51 GMT
Hi Guys,

Anyone at all can help me on this please?

Thank you

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Mack. - 27 Aug 2008 23:34 GMT
Yeah, I'm kinda having the same problem, I can't help, but its pissing
me off that you and I aren't getting our threads replied to. Where are
all the hardcore admins and power users :L

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Paul Montgomery - 28 Aug 2008 00:01 GMT
>Yeah, I'm kinda having the same problem, I can't help, but its pissing
>me off that you and I aren't getting our threads replied to. Where are
>all the hardcore admins and power users :L

What do you expect, bozo!?  Your first post was 10 freaking minutes
ago.

You will DEFINITELY get NO replies if you stay on this tack.
Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 01:18 GMT
You do NOT have the same problem. Go back to your own thread. I at least
have an answer for that.

Then go find your Pop and tell him you need a spanking.

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> Yeah, I'm kinda having the same problem, I can't help, but its pissing
> me off that you and I aren't getting our threads replied to. Where are
> all the hardcore admins and power users :L
Threshold - 28 Aug 2008 01:41 GMT
Ok and still what about my problem?
Are we doing something wrong so that nobody replies? :confused:

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 03:52 GMT
Mack, as noted, was simply being impatient. As for your post, there are
approx. 1000 posts per day in this NG. Most of the worker bees here focus
upon issues for which they have an immediate answer or are interested in
researching (which is something most of us MVPs, anyway, are most interested
in. That's where all the fun comes from.) If we have no answer, and the
issue simply isn't within our personally determined perview, the responsible
among us don't respond. That way when someone comes along who might have an
answer, they aren't put off by some lengthy but wildly irrelevant thread
that is engendered by the less responsible among us (lots of wrong answers
or just plain stupidity and troll-like arguing,) or they see that a known
responsible person has posted to the thread a few times and figure it's
handled.

My routine is to refresh all the NGs I participate in, look for new posts in
threads where I'm already participating (in the Windows 98 groups that is my
primary interest), reply as necessary, then check all the (few) new posts in
those groups, then come to this and the XP.General groups and respond to
threads where I've already joined in discussion. Once that's all taken care
of, I start over. When I'm totally caught up, I start reading new posts in
the Vista and XP groups. But it only takes a little time for unread messages
in these two groups to number in the hundreds, so I simply mark them all as
Read, and then finally review the latest ones for anything I'm interested
in. Which is how I happened upon Mack's un-called-for comments, decided to
get him started on a solution, anyway, after reading your initial post and
thinking bout it in the back of my mind while I worked on his issue, and
then, finally, responded directly to your initial post.

Anyway, to answer your question more succinctly, no, you didn't do anything
wrong. As I said in the other reply, I think it's just a bug in Vista that
may or may not be able to be fixed in the future (if it's not Explorer
itself, it's likely some part of IE), and that you should simply re-post it
every month or two until someone sees it who knows what's what. Your issue
is so unique that I don't think anyone else has probably ever come across
it, but you never know. Regardless, you should definitely follow through
with a bug report via the second link I provided in my other reply.

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> Ok and still what about my problem?
> Are we doing something wrong so that nobody replies? :confused:
Mack. - 28 Aug 2008 07:13 GMT
Like wtf man?

Then go find your Pop and tell him you need a spanking.

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 08:08 GMT
Like your post was downright stupid. And incredibly RUDE to those of us who
donate our support services for FREE to everyone, even loudmouthed jerks
like you. As Paul pointed out, your idiotic "me too" whining came only
minutes after you posted your own problem. And your issue has absolutely
nothing in common with Threshold's.

Your post here shows you to be you a loser/brat/etc./etc. who deserves a
good walloping! Or maybe that's your problem? Were you physically abused
while you were growing up? Poor boy...

Anyway, if you can't see what a ridiculous post the above was, if you can't
cop to the total idiocy of it, not to mention the RUDENESS!, then you're too
stupid and brutish to perform intricate, complicated and potentially
disastrous computer procedures that I or anyone else here might suggest.
Might as well turn your face to the wall (oh, wait, that's another one of
those abuse things, isn't it?)

Own up to your temporary(?) stupidity and especially to your absolute
RUDENESS, or go away. Because the only assistance you're likely to get after
this is from people who know even less than you do.

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> Like wtf man?
>
> Then go find your Pop and tell him you need a spanking.
Threshold - 28 Aug 2008 14:32 GMT
All righty,

First of all people please don't engage in silly fights but if you
really feel the urge to, please don't do it in my first thread.
Now it's all messed up :mad:

Anyway :)

GARY S. TERHUNE Thanks for your first reply I will send a bug report.
I think we must have posted at the same time or something since I did
not see it otherwise I wouldn't have written the following post.

Your other reply is too difficult and full of acronyms for me to fully
grasp but I think I have to wait and I did nothing wrong.
I was not being impatient but I really thought I missed some info or
something and that being the reason nobody was replying.
Mack post spurred my reaction.

As for the bug, browsing through other threads I found something.
If you have the left pane open in the folder the icons will not show on
the taskbar but instead you get the green pointed up arrow.
If the left pane is closed you get the icon but, well, you miss the
chance to quickly move amongst folders and move items.

Let me know if you can replicate this.

I still think it's a bug or downright silly if this is the intended
behaviour.
In the meanwhile I found myself a little software that allows tabbed
browsing in Explorer windows.
It's a bit tricky to install and could use better support and help
pages but if it's not forbidden I can post the link to it.

MARYPOPPINS wow what an honour and thanks for the link it's useful
(although for other matters) :)

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Gary S. Terhune - 29 Aug 2008 02:45 GMT
> All righty,
>
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> I think we must have posted at the same time or something since I did
> not see it otherwise I wouldn't have written the following post.

Not sure what you're saying, but I only saw this thread because of Mack's
post. More than a few shades of karma in that one, I can tell you.

> Your other reply is too difficult and full of acronyms for me to fully
> grasp but I think I have to wait and I did nothing wrong.
> I was not being impatient but I really thought I missed some info or
> something and that being the reason nobody was replying.
> Mack post spurred my reaction.

I don't like leaving you wondering. What acronyms or phrases, etc., did you
not understand?

> As for the bug, browsing through other threads I found something.
> If you have the left pane open in the folder the icons will not show on
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I still think it's a bug or downright silly if this is the intended
> behaviour.

I doubt it's intended. Perhaps *necessary* in order to avoid bigger
problems, and most probably the unintended side-effect of some bit of code
that if you knew what it was you'd say, "Well, I like that, too." In short,
a "bug".

> In the meanwhile I found myself a little software that allows tabbed
> browsing in Explorer windows.
> It's a bit tricky to install and could use better support and help
> pages but if it's not forbidden I can post the link to it.

It's not forbidden to post links to information or utilities you've tried
out and found useful, provided there's no hint of you personally benefitting
(i.e., you're not selling it.) Otherwise it would be considered SPAM.
However, it is precisely these kinds applications (tabbed Explorer? Whoa!)
that are FULL of uninstended consequences. While I think your original issue
is a bug, and I strongly recommend that you do what you can to report it as
such to MS, it could *also* be the unintended consequence of another
application's presence.

If I get bored today, or tomotrrow or whatever, I'll see if I can replicate
it on my reasonably pristine Vista test installation. If I can, I'll let you
know, and maybe even see about officially bugging it with Microsoft through
other channels. Problem is, my installation isn't *totally* pristine, and to
file an honest bug report, I'd have to flatten and reinstall to see if it
still happens, and if not, repeat my previous installation of apps and see
which one triggers the behavior. In short, don't expect any answers from me
any time soon, or ever, for that matter.

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Gary S. Terhune - 31 Aug 2008 23:00 GMT
Threshold,

I did replicate your issue, but only in two instances. I'm sure I could keep
playing, but it's not as simple and straightforward as you report.

I created 6 folders on the desktop and gave them distinctive icons. Opened
them all, maximized the first, created and added text to a TXT file, saved
it, and the icon changed just as you said (can't recall if it was at the
time of saving or upon normalizing the size of the window.)

But then I couldn't get any of the other folders to repeat the behavior no
matter how many different way I tried it. So I closed them all, opened them
all again, and still could not repeat the behavior, until I accidentally
opened WMP in the tray instead of Windows Mail. I knew what I'd done and
closed WMP before it half finished opening, really, then looked down to see
*all* of the folders had switched to that icon of the folder with
upward-pointing arrow.

It's a bug, no doubt, but as to it's source, that would take an awful lot of
testing. I can't say if it's strictly a Vista bug, as opposed to being
caused by some 3rd-party addition, without installing a fresh copy and
that's not something I want to do right now. Maybe next week. (I *do* have
to flatten this one soon.) If it *is* strictly a Vista bug, you'll just have
to hope to get lucky and run into the person who can explain it based upon
past experience and a lot of time in the NGs, or even an MSFT or beta tester
(who isn't constrained by an NDA) who noticed it, bugged it, perhaps even
determined the source of the issue. I can't say because while I signed up
for those programs, and occasionally played with a build for a day or two,
my bad health kept me from full participation.

Or MS may not even know about it. So, after I've tested on a fresh
installations of various versions of Vista, starting with the most minimal
install of the most basic versions, then working through additions of
features, upgrades, etc., until I run into the behavior again, then I'll
pass this thread along to my Lead (MVP Program primary contact for my
section) and see if it goes anywhere from there. A KB article, if nothing
else, if it turns out to be caused by certain specific conditions that a
user might conceivably want to avoid.

What I'd like to know is just what that icon of the folder with the
upward-pointing arrow is intended to signify, though it's possible, too,
that it's being that icon is entirely coincidental.

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> All righty,
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> MARYPOPPINS wow what an honour and thanks for the link it's useful
> (although for other matters) :)
Threshold - 02 Sep 2008 14:47 GMT
Hello Gary,

Thank you for your extensive replies and your effort.

As for the acronyms I generally don't understand any :)
And anyway you write very well with not so common words which makes it
a little more difficult for me to understand.

As for the application I was mentioning i don't get anything from it
and am not associated to it in anyway.
As I said it is less than perfect and with it's good share of bugs but
it lets me circumvent my problem at present and it does remove folder
clutter from your bar.
Anyone interested: 'QuizoApps: QTTabBar' (http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/)

I am surprised you couldn't replicate the problem with all folders.
It occurs on my system on every instances so it might be conflicting
with something or be the result of the mucking around with absolutely no
knowledge I have been doing :D

The only thing I can say is that to replicate it you need to move to a
subfoder or upper folder within the main folder you are testing and than
minimize it.

Did you also check with and without the left pane
(Organize-Layout-Moving Pane(? I am guessing at the names since my os is
in Italian)).
Anyway without the left pane in the folder icons stay always put.

Well if it's a bug I sure hope it will be fixed since it really reduces
productivity but don't count much on it seeing Windows 7 already on the
horizon.

Thank you!

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 01:39 GMT
I wouldn't hold your breath. I can't be 100% certain, but it looks and acts
like something that can't be changed. A bug, if you want to call it that.
Something for Microsoft Feedback:
http://wfp.microsoft.com/ (Currently the program are closed, but there's a
sign-up for when it opens again.)

But this one is still gets active attention, I think:
https://feedback.windowsvista.microsoft.com/default.aspx?productkey=winvista&mkt
=en-us&backurl=http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cpbeta_vista_master


TinyURL for the above is http://tinyurl.com/5fhdhb

You might also re-post the issue every month or so, just to keep it in the
public eye. Never know when someone will come along and say, "Hey, I know
about that one!"

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> Hi guys,
>
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>
> Many thanks!
marrypoppins - 28 Aug 2008 01:49 GMT
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(http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/?filter[11) see if any of these
tutorials are what your looking for.

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Mack. - 28 Aug 2008 07:12 GMT
Gary wtf? are you retarded...

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 08:09 GMT
That, from YOU? ROTFLMAO!!!

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> Gary wtf? are you retarded...
Nabeelt - 28 Aug 2008 10:12 GMT
Hi,
I am also having the same problem in my work.. can any one help to sort
out this problem

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Gary S. Terhune - 28 Aug 2008 23:14 GMT
Not here. Please go start a new thread and describe your problem there. If
there really *is* an answer out there, the more threads asking about it, the
more likely someone who knows how to fix it will see them and have an
answer, whether it is a solution or someone who knows for sure that it can't
be fixed. But as you will have noticed, if you actually have read the entire
thread, you may *think* you have the same problem, but that doesn't
necessarily make it so.

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> Hi,
> I am also having the same problem in my work.. can any one help to sort
> out this problem
 
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