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Road Runner - 19 Nov 2004 12:28 GMT
AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...

http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/
Andr? Gulliksen - 19 Nov 2004 14:14 GMT
> AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...

"New"? I used this years ago, before dumping it in favour of Avast!
Papa - 19 Nov 2004 15:40 GMT
You misunderstood. The OP was referring to version 7 of AVG, which is a new
version.
J&P - 19 Nov 2004 16:45 GMT
>> AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...
>
> "New"? I used this years ago, before dumping it in favour of Avast!

Andr?, why is Avast! V4.5 better than AVG V7.289?

Regards
Joe Steele
Andr? Gulliksen - 19 Nov 2004 17:45 GMT
> Andr?, why is Avast! V4.5 better than AVG V7.289?

I never tested 7.289, but in general I would point out two reasons to prefer
Avast! over AVG:

- Somewhat better virus detection record. For details take a look at
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml

- Much better automatic updates of virus definition files. AVGs autoupdate
is depending on the computer being powered on and connected to the internet
at a certain time every day. This is very inconvenient, especially (but not
only) for dialup users and casual computer users. The Avast! autoupdate is
completely transparent, and is performed automatically whenever a connection
to the internet is detected. This is not only convenient, but it is also
foolproof, which means a lot if you are setting up a computer that will be
used by family members that don't know anti virus software from rodent
repellent.

I have not yet found a single reason to prefer AVG over Avast!, so in my
book it's AVG-Avast! 0-2. So unless anybody can give me specific (and good!)
reasons to change back, I won't.

Oh, and speaking of free antivirus packages starting with the letter 'A':
Some years ago I tried Antivir from H+BDEV. However, this turned out to be a
dead loss. I hated the interface, and the virus detection record was a
complete disaster. The latter seems to have picked up this year, though.
J&P - 19 Nov 2004 20:31 GMT
"Andr? Gulliksen" <> wrote in message

> ......  take a look at
> http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml

Thanks for the URL.  Interesting and helpful site.

Regards
Joe Steele
Papa - 19 Nov 2004 22:03 GMT
I'm afraid you are misinformed in regard to "AVGs autoupdate
is depending on the computer being powered on and connected to the internet
at a certain time every day." That's just not true.
J&P - 19 Nov 2004 22:46 GMT
> I'm afraid you are misinformed in regard to "AVGs autoupdate
> is depending on the computer being powered on and connected to the
> internet
> at a certain time every day." That's just not true.

Thanks for the info, Papa.  I do have a copy of AVG on one of my computers
which I update regularly, manually.  I prefer it this way.

Regards
Joe Steele
JAX - 20 Nov 2004 02:25 GMT
I'm with you J&P, I don't take automatic updates on anything.

I've used AVG for some time now, and am quite satisfied with it.

JAX

>> I'm afraid you are misinformed in regard to "AVGs autoupdate
>> is depending on the computer being powered on and connected to the
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> Regards
> Joe Steele
Andr? Gulliksen - 20 Nov 2004 13:09 GMT
> I'm afraid you are misinformed in regard to "AVGs autoupdate
> is depending on the computer being powered on and connected to the
> internet at a certain time every day." That's just not true.

Yes it is. Of course you can update _manually_ whenever you want. If you
manage to connect to the Grisoft server, of course, which in my experience
can not always be counted on.
Papa - 20 Nov 2004 14:37 GMT
I was referring to the "at a certain time every day" stipulation.
Andr? Gulliksen - 20 Nov 2004 15:08 GMT
> I was referring to the "at a certain time every day" stipulation.

What was wrong with that? The "automatic" update in AVG is not really
automatic; it is started at scheduled times by the software. If you are not
connected to the internet this operation will fail, and if the computer is
turned off the operation will not start at all. Thus, if AVG is scheduled to
look for updates at 7 AM every day and you never turn on your computer
before 8 AM AVG will never be automatically updated.

Yes, you _can_ configure AVG to connect to the internet if you are on
dialup, but even this is a far inferior solution to the one used in Avast!
Papa - 20 Nov 2004 22:44 GMT
Well, all I can say is that I power up my system at irregular intervals,
sometimes I don't turn it on for hours, yet the updates keep coming. I'm on
cable.
Roy Coorne - 21 Nov 2004 07:37 GMT
André Gulliksen wrote:
...
> Yes, you _can_ configure AVG to connect to the internet if you are on
> dialup, but even this is a far inferior solution to the one used in Avast!

So you _can_ - that's the important aspect, whether 'inferior
solution' or not;-)

Roy
MartinSGill - 01 Dec 2004 14:19 GMT
<snip>
> - Somewhat better virus detection record. For details take a look at
> http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml

<snip>

just looked at that site. The latest test for windowsXP showed AVG Pass,
Avast Fail, hmm.. so I won't be switching t Avast anytime soon. Thanks for
the link.

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/tests.xml?200406

I don't have an update problem. I used AVG Freeware for over 2 years before
deciding it was good enough to buy.
Andr? Gulliksen - 01 Dec 2004 14:45 GMT
> just looked at that site. The latest test for windowsXP showed AVG
> Pass, Avast Fail, hmm.. so I won't be switching t Avast anytime soon.

When deciding which AV is most reliable you have to look at statistics over
time, not just at one point in time. In 2004 both AVG and Avast! has a 75%
pass rate, with three passes and one fail each. If you look at even longer
terms than last year then Avast! has 10 passes and 19 fails, and AVG has 6
passes and 20 fails. You do the math. In my book Avast! still has a _slight_
edge on AVG. But only slight, and if I liked the interface more I'd probably
stick with AVG rather than switch.

On a slightly off topic note, if you want to pay for the most reliable AV
you should probably look at NOD32 or Symantec.
James E. Morrow - 02 Dec 2004 08:34 GMT
> http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/tests.xml?200406

This is not the most recent version of Avast.

Status:  FAIL
Result history: Alwil (Avast!)
Product name: Alwil Avast! 4.1.399

The present version is 4.5. You may wish to await more recent
results before writing off Avast.

Signature

James E. Morrow
Email to: jamesemorrow@email.com

Road Runner - 19 Nov 2004 17:36 GMT
Thats funny thats what I did with Avast when i got infected with a virus
which that program didn't stop

>> AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...
>
> "New"? I used this years ago, before dumping it in favour of Avast!
Roy Coorne - 20 Nov 2004 03:50 GMT
> Thats funny thats what I did with Avast when i got infected with a virus
> which that program didn't stop
>
>>>AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...
>>
>>"New"? I used this years ago, before dumping it in favour of Avast!

Looking for the perfect road - have you been trying Kaspersky 5.0?

RC
Road Runner - 20 Nov 2004 04:41 GMT
Hey Roy ... To be totally honest I don't think there is a perfect Anti-Virus
program out there and I wouldn't take those survey that those website list
as to what is good and not so good , If I did,  I would be using Norton and
I know I would never use Norton product ever again   .... I rather though
have an Anti_Virus program that doesn't hog the resource like AVG ,  nor
does Avast but with Avast which I was using awhile ago I did get infected
with a Virus and it didn't catch it , So I move onto AVG which hasn't let me
down as of yet ... Knock on wood ....  I did like the wishbone type
interface of Avast ... Companies that provide "Free" stuff should get our
high fives ...

>> Thats funny thats what I did with Avast when i got infected with a virus
>> which that program didn't stop
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>
> RC
NoNoBadDog! - 20 Nov 2004 05:19 GMT
I agree...no "perfect" solution, no will there likely ever be.  The closest
to being perfect is Norton AntiVirus, despite what the uneducated say about
it slowing a system down of hogging resources or the other BS they spew.  I
have used NAV for years and it has never let me down.

As far as free AV goes...you get what you pay for...

AVG in particular always performs poorly in any valid testing I have ever
seen, and on the rare occasion I have used it, it failed to detect viruses
that were detected by NAV.

Bobby

> Hey Roy ... To be totally honest I don't think there is a perfect
> Anti-Virus program out there and I wouldn't take those survey that those
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>>
>> RC
Hugh - 20 Nov 2004 09:27 GMT
I've used AVG for quite a while with exactly zero problems and no failures of
any kind.  I reguarly replace failed/failing/misbehaving versions of Norton
on my customer's computers and they have never had any problems either.
I agree that no program is perfect, and there well may be others that
perform as well, but AVG has done the job for me.

> I agree...no "perfect" solution, no will there likely ever be.  The closest
> to being perfect is Norton AntiVirus, despite what the uneducated say about
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> >>
> >> RC
dude - 20 Nov 2004 22:33 GMT
NoNoBadDog then you should remove the hook that's inside
your mouth because you're a fish if you been using norton
for years . All those years getting rid off for paid such
a high price for Norton , while their is cheaper anti-
virus programs that do a better job . All i have to say
to you NoNoBadDog your're a FISH
>-----Original Message-----
>I agree...no "perfect" solution, no will there likely ever be.  The closest
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>>>>
>>>> "André Gulliksen" <andre.gulliksen@start.no> wrote
in message
>>>> news:306desF2sbidpU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>
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>
>.
dude - 20 Nov 2004 22:55 GMT
NoNoBadDog! - 21 Nov 2004 02:03 GMT
First, I guess you didn't read my post.  Second, in any *INDEPENDENT* tests
I have read, nothing else came close to Norton Antivirus for effectiveness.
There were two other links posted in this thread that will take you to sites
that will verify this.  On any machine that i have *EVER* used NAV on, I
have never had a virus.  On *EVERY* computer that I have used that had *ANY
OTHER* antivirus, I have had infections.  If you don't like Norton, then so
be it.  I don't care what your preferences are.  I know, from years of
experience, what works and what doesn't.  Hope you like manually chasing
after and deleting viruses and worms, cause that's what you'll be doing.

Bobby

NoNoBadDog then you should remove the hook that's inside
your mouth because you're a fish if you been using norton
for years . All those years getting rid off for paid such
a high price for Norton , while their is cheaper anti-
virus programs that do a better job . All i have to say
to you NoNoBadDog your're a FISH
>-----Original Message-----
>I agree...no "perfect" solution, no will there likely
ever be.  The closest
>to being perfect is Norton AntiVirus, despite what the
uneducated say about
>it slowing a system down of hogging resources or the
other BS they spew.  I
>have used NAV for years and it has never let me down.
>
>As far as free AV goes...you get what you pay for...
>
>AVG in particular always performs poorly in any valid
testing I have ever
>seen, and on the rare occasion I have used it, it failed
to detect viruses
>that were detected by NAV.
>
>Bobby
>
>> Hey Roy ... To be totally honest I don't think there
is a perfect
>> Anti-Virus program out there and I wouldn't take those
survey that those
>> website list as to what is good and not so good , If I
did,  I would be
>> using Norton and I know I would never use Norton
product ever again   ....
>> I rather though have an Anti_Virus program that
doesn't hog the resource
>> like AVG ,  nor does Avast but with Avast which I was
using awhile ago I
>> did get infected with a Virus and it didn't catch it ,
So I move onto AVG
>> which hasn't let me down as of yet ... Knock on
wood ....  I did like the
>> wishbone type interface of Avast ... Companies that
provide "Free" stuff
>> should get our high fives ...
>>
>>> Road Runner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats funny thats what I did with Avast when i got
infected with a virus
>>>> which that program didn't stop
>>>>
>>>> "Andr? Gulliksen" <andre.gulliksen@start.no> wrote
in message
>>>> news:306desF2sbidpU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>>
>>>>>Road Runner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all
about it ...

>>>>>"New"? I used this years ago, before dumping it in
favour of Avast!

>>> Looking for the perfect road - have you been trying
Kaspersky 5.0?

>>> RC
>
>.
Papa - 21 Nov 2004 11:45 GMT
NAV, in my opinion, is an intrusive, bloated, and expensive program. I have
NEVER had a virus invade my 3 desktops and one laptop since using AVG, and I
have years of experience with PCs. As you may know, the user must take
several steps in order to protect against a virus. Using an AV program is
just one of them.
Papa - 21 Nov 2004 16:53 GMT
Replace "NEVER" with "SELDOM". Slight exaggeration on my part. Sometimes I
get carried away.
Ted - 21 Nov 2004 15:32 GMT
Sadly, you're exposed as nothing more than a NAV (or anything Symantec)
apologist! You are easily one of a very very few that supports it claim as
the "best". Most of the MVPs here, and more notably, the ones that give the
most knowledgable and accurate help here, all suggest to stay away from NAV.
Even former users of NAV (that also include MVPs) all say NAV uses to many
resources, and wants to remove, or alter files it has no business touching,
hence why many have problems with it.

FWIW, the free AVs that are reliable, are better for the average user, less
costly (obviously), and will find it less intrusive on system usage, and
file handling.
>I agree...no "perfect" solution, no will there likely ever be.  The closest
>to being perfect is Norton AntiVirus, despite what the uneducated say about
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>>>
>>> RC
NoNoBadDog! - 21 Nov 2004 21:06 GMT
Not an apologist.  Just know that it works, and the claims of bloat an using
large amounts of system resources are false.  I have it installed on all 5
of my home computers, and my small network of 23 computers at work.  The
only noticeable difference is that *some* files take a bit longer to open
because they are being scanned.  It uses almost no resources on any of my
computers.  AVG simply misses files that NAV finds.  It has never altered or
removed any files without first indicating what it wants to do, so that
point is moot.  The  "has no business touching " bit is a knee-jerk
statement at best, as NAV will not alter files just to alter files as your
post tries to suggest.  This whole "system usage" business is useless in
this discussion, as your "average user" does little to monitor and maintain
system health, therefore the often cited "system usage" is often
attributable to other issues as well.  A properly maintained system of
reasonable power (i.e. non celeron processor and with sufficient memory)
should and does not have problems with NAV.

I hope this discussion ends here, as you and I are obviously on opposite
sides of the fence.  You don't like their products, and I do. You state they
don't work, and I know that they do.  You are entitled to your opinion, as I
am to mine.  Life goes on.  But others read these posts and I just wanted to
shed some positive light on a product that I feel is worth consideration.

Bobby

> Sadly, you're exposed as nothing more than a NAV (or anything Symantec)
> apologist! You are easily one of a very very few that supports it claim as
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>>>>
>>>> RC
Roy Coorne - 21 Nov 2004 07:43 GMT
> Hey Roy ... To be totally honest I don't think there is a perfect Anti-Virus
> program out there and I wouldn't take those survey that those website list
> as to what is good and not so good , If I did,  I would be using Norton ...

Not necessarily - if you follow the website which has been cited
earlier in this thread, the Virus Bulletin's:
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/products.xml?table

Peace!

Roy
Andr? Gulliksen - 20 Nov 2004 13:12 GMT
> Looking for the perfect road - have you been trying Kaspersky 5.0?

No. But if I was going to pay for a AV software I'd probably take a look at
NOD32. From what I hear it is _the_ most system resource friendly AV out
there (unlike, say, Norton/Symantec), and it has a virus detection record
second to none.
J&P - 20 Nov 2004 13:30 GMT
"Andr? Gulliksen" <> wrote in message ...

> No. But if I was going to pay for a AV software I'd probably take a look
> at NOD32.. From what I hear it is _the_ most system resource friendly AV
> out there (unlike, say, Norton/Symantec), and it has a virus detection
> record second to none.

I hope NOD32 users will comment.

Regards
Joe Steele
Road Runner - 21 Nov 2004 01:02 GMT
Hey there ... I myself use AVG Pro version which comes with 2 years update
definitions for the price that most other Anti-Virus programs give for one
year definitions .... And I believe that NOD32 does the same 2 years , which
i will keep in mind next time around ... Thanks for your post Andre

>> Looking for the perfect road - have you been trying Kaspersky 5.0?
>
> No. But if I was going to pay for a AV software I'd probably take a look
> at NOD32. From what I hear it is _the_ most system resource friendly AV
> out there (unlike, say, Norton/Symantec), and it has a virus detection
> record second to none.
Brad - 12 Nov 2006 11:24 GMT
When I click your link, Norton Internet Security Professional blocks it,
calls it a "Sex" site.  Is this just Norton stopping a competitor or what?

Rgds
Brad

> AVG has a new free Anti Virus program , Read all about it ...
>
> http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/ 
DL - 12 Nov 2006 11:45 GMT
You wouldnt want to install a 2nd AV anyway, will doubtless conflict with
NIS
And copy paste the url doesnt work?

> When I click your link, Norton Internet Security Professional blocks it,
> calls it a "Sex" site.  Is this just Norton stopping a competitor or what?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> > http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/
BR549 - 12 Nov 2006 14:51 GMT
That's one of the reasons I would never install any Norton products.

> When I click your link, Norton Internet Security Professional blocks it,
> calls it a "Sex" site.  Is this just Norton stopping a competitor or what?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/1/
 
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