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BoaterDave - 28 Nov 2006 15:38 GMT When this PC starts up I've noted that the BIOS is dated 02/24/2003 (American Megatrends) A6380 V5.7 022403
However, using Belarc Adviser, the BIOS reported is "BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T 04/02/01"
I'd be grateful if someone could explain why the dates differ.
David
(Windows XP Home +SP2 and all Updates)
Ken Blake, MVP - 28 Nov 2006 19:33 GMT > When this PC starts up I've noted that the BIOS is dated 02/24/2003 > (American Megatrends) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd be grateful if someone could explain why the dates differ. Just a guess, but perhaps Belarc is reporting the copyright date and the Startup the date the particular version was made.
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BoaterDave - 28 Nov 2006 22:45 GMT Thanks, Ken.
I'm afraid that doesn't make it very much clearer for me! Do you know what it is that 'sets' the BIOS? Is it done when a PC is first built or when Windows is installed (my retail version of Windows dates back to 2002 as, indeed, does the PC - built in October 2002). I can't correlate how the current BIOS on start-up is dated 2003.
David _____________________________________________________
>> When this PC starts up I've noted that the BIOS is dated 02/24/2003 >> (American Megatrends) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Just a guess, but perhaps Belarc is reporting the copyright date and the > Startup the date the particular version was made. Ken Blake, MVP - 28 Nov 2006 22:55 GMT > Thanks, Ken. > > I'm afraid that doesn't make it very much clearer for me! Do you know > what it is that 'sets' the BIOS? Is it done when a PC is first built It's when the BIOS chip is created, which is sometiome before the PC was built.
However the BIOS can subsequently be updated with a newer version.
> or when Windows is installed No, the BIOS has *nothing* to do with Windows at all. It's a hardware feature, and is completely independent of WIndows.
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> (my retail version of Windows dates back > to 2002 as, indeed, does the PC - built in October 2002). I can't [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User >> Please reply to the newsgroup BoaterDave - 28 Nov 2006 23:17 GMT Thank you again, Ken.
I DO now understand!
I've heard about "flashing" the BIOS. Do you know if it is possible for a virus/malware to alter the BIOS and thus still be able to take control of a PC even after a 'clean' install?
David ___________________________________________________
>> Thanks, Ken. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> David Ken Blake, MVP - 29 Nov 2006 00:27 GMT > Thank you again, Ken. > > I DO now understand! Great, glad to hear it, and you're welcome.
> I've heard about "flashing" the BIOS. Do you know if it is possible > for a virus/malware to alter the BIOS and thus still be able to take > control of a PC even after a 'clean' install I've read lots of contradictory information about whether a virus can affect the BIOS, but my personal guess (I don't know for sure) is that I don't think so. Even if it could, I don't think there's much there that would be seen as a likely target for a virus.
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>>> Thanks, Ken. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> >>> David BoaterDave - 29 Nov 2006 08:07 GMT Thank you yet again, Ken! I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble to reply to me. :-)
Moving on slightly, then, are you aware of anywhere else in a desktop PC that a "nastie" could hide so that, even after formatting the hard disk and completing a new Windows installation, one's PC could still be compromised?
I recognise that you may not know ......... but you might just know someone else who does!
Anyway, thanks again for helping me thus far.
David ____________________________________________
> I've read lots of contradictory information about whether a virus can > affect the BIOS, but my personal guess (I don't know for sure) is that I [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>> >>>> David Gerry Cornell - 29 Nov 2006 10:40 GMT What is your motherboard model?
This freeware programme is excellent for getting information about your computer: Everest Home Edition (freeware) http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html
Tip: To copy select Report, Quick Report, Plain Text, highlight required text, right click and select copy. However, whilst this is fine for posting small amounts of information into newsgroup messages longer reports will irritate other newsgroup subscribers.
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Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England
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> Thank you yet again, Ken! I really appreciate you taking the time and > trouble to reply to me. :-) [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>> >>>>> David BoaterDave - 29 Nov 2006 16:49 GMT Hello Gerry.
Motherboard is an MSI KT266 Pro2-A (MS-6380E) with an AMD Duron 1300 MHz Processor
I'll have a look at the link to Everest a little later. Thank you for that.
David ____________________________________________
> What is your motherboard model? > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> David Gerry Cornell - 29 Nov 2006 17:50 GMT David
The Report by Bellarc is odd. It will be interesting to see what Everest reports.
It seems you have the latest BIOS for your motherboard: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=320&kind=1
http://snipurl.com/13nv7
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Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England
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> Hello Gerry. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > David > ____________________________________________ BoaterDave - 29 Nov 2006 22:50 GMT Hi Gerry
Very interesting data brought up by Everest - I enjoyed reviewing it all. Many thanks. :-)
Everest reported:-
Field Value System BIOS Date 02/24/03
So it seems that the BIOS date I can see when my PC starts up is 'correct'. It does, therefore, seem strange why Belarc suggests otherwise. Perhaps it will be best to ask Belarc what *they* deduce from the data received.
I'll report back IDC.
Thanks for your help.
David _____________________________________________________
> David > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> David >> ____________________________________________ BoaterDave - 30 Nov 2006 08:46 GMT Another puzzling point raised by using Everest:
Motherboard Properties: Manufacturer MSI Product MS-6380E Version 1.0 Serial Number 00000000
Perhaps there is a simple explanation for there being no serial number being reported. If you have the time, Gerry, perhaps you would look and see what your PC reports.
OT here - are you really an accountant, Gerry, or does 'your' FCA stand for something computer related? :-)
David _________________________________________________
> David > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> David >> ____________________________________________ Gerry Cornell - 30 Nov 2006 10:05 GMT David
These programmes can only report what is recorded on the system. The Microsoft tool is System Information but this generates less information than Bellarc Advisor and Everest. On my system I do not see a line for Version and Serial Number but it may be that my copy of Everest needs updating.
You reported from Bellarc KT266 Pro2-A. The MSI archive suggests K7T266 Pro2-A. Have you copied it correctly from Bellarc?
I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales. Newsgroups are a hobby, much as some do Crosswords.
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Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England
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> Another puzzling point raised by using Everest: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >>> David >>> ____________________________________________ BoaterDave - 30 Nov 2006 12:05 GMT Hello again, Gerry.
My Belarc Adviser reports as follows:-
Operating System System Model Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (build 2600) MSI MS-6380E 1.0 Processor a Main Circuit Board b 1.30 gigahertz AMD Duron 128 kilobyte primary memory cache 64 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: MSI MS-6380E 1.0 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T 04/02/01 Drives Memory Modules c,d 81.96 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity 60.89 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
LITE-ON LTR-40125S [CD-ROM drive] 3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]
Maxtor 6L080L0 [Hard drive] (81.96 GB) -- drive 0, s/n L21NZL7H, rev BAJ41G20, SMART Status: Healthy 384 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot '0' is Empty Slot '1' has 256 MB Slot '2' has 128 MB Local Drive Volumes
c: (NTFS on drive 0) 41.94 GB 36.33 GB free d: (NTFS on drive 0) 40.02 GB 24.56 GB free
From the 'Notes'
a. Megahertz measurement may be inaccurate if other programs were busy during last analysis. c. Memory slot contents may not add up to Installed Memory if some memory is not recognized by Windows. d. Memory slot contents is reported by the motherboard BIOS. Contact system vendor if slot contents are wrong. ____________________________________________________________________________
I personally added the 256 Mb extra memory which I bought from Crucial. I don't understand why it appears that only 64 Mb is shown under 'Processor' ____________________________________________________________________________
System Information reports as follows:-
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600 OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name DAVIDSPC System Manufacturer MSI System Model MS-6380E System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1300 Mhz BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 02/04/2001 SMBIOS Version 2.3 Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 Locale United States Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)" User Name DAVIDSPC\DGB (Admin) Time Zone GMT Standard Time Total Physical Memory 384.00 MB Available Physical Memory 67.82 MB Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB Page File Space 922.32 MB Page File C:\pagefile.sys
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Of interest here is that the stated 'Locale' is ........ United States!
My much older Dell PC says United Kingdom!
You said "You reported from Bellarc KT266 Pro2-A" - I cannot identify where you think I may have said that. I took the number from the handbook which I received with this PC - it is entitled K7T266 Pro2-A - I may have failed to include the '7' - I apologise if this is the case! :-(
You also mentioned "I am a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales. Newsgroups are a hobby, much as some do Crosswords". My daughter is an accountant too (ACCA) and when I worked for Bowring (later Marsh) as an IFA running our Exeter office (Financial Services) I came into regular contact with accountants! You may recall that Bowring ran a special PHI scheme for the ICA!
Computing is simply a hobby for me, too, yet I still become frustrated "when I cannot find answers to the clues"! <g>
Any ideas will be welcomed. I've not yet heard from Belarc by email.
David ___________________________________________________________________________________
> David > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>>> David >>>> ____________________________________________ Ken Blake, MVP - 29 Nov 2006 14:17 GMT > Thank you yet again, Ken! I really appreciate you taking the time and > trouble to reply to me. :-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anyway, thanks again for helping me thus far. You're welcome. Glad to help.
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>> I've read lots of contradictory information about whether a virus can >> affect the BIOS, but my personal guess (I don't know for sure) is [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>>> >>>>> David gls858 - 28 Nov 2006 22:57 GMT > Thanks, Ken. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Just a guess, but perhaps Belarc is reporting the copyright date and the >> Startup the date the particular version was made. The BIOS is set by the motherboard manufacturer. No idea why your dates are different but installing Windows won't effect the date of the BIOS. As long as your computer is functioning properly the date is of little consequence.
gls858
BoaterDave - 28 Nov 2006 23:20 GMT Thanks for that, gls858.
Perhaps you will note my reply to Ken.
David __________________________________________
> The BIOS is set by the motherboard manufacturer. No idea why your dates > are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > gls858
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