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Breadstick - 26 Apr 2007 18:42 GMT
I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My PC
runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
Thanks for any help.
gls858 - 26 Apr 2007 19:14 GMT
> I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My PC
> runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
> Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> Thanks for any help.

Yes. Make sure to  reboot after you turn it off.
Then turn it back on.

gls858
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 04:40 GMT
Very helpful.  Thanks a lot.

> > I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My PC
> > runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
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>
> gls858
John Barnett MVP - 26 Apr 2007 20:13 GMT
If the restore points are failing then the restore files are more than
likely corrupt. Corrupt system restore files are of no use to you so, yes
turn off system restore and then turn it back on again before you manually
create a restore point for your camera.

While system restore is useful it isn't always reliable. Perhaps you should
consider investing in imaging software such as Acronis True Image 10. At
least with this you can image your drive/partition and either store it on a
separate hard drive or a set of DVDs. By using the incremental backup
option, you can also keep your backup image up to date. It's just something
to think about for the future!

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>I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My
>PC
> runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
> Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> Thanks for any help.
Maincat - 26 Apr 2007 20:44 GMT
> If the restore points are failing then the restore files are more than
> likely corrupt. Corrupt system restore files are of no use to you so, yes
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>> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
>> Thanks for any help.

If you are running Norton Internet Security 2007, that can have an effect on
System Restore (and Security Centre).
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 03:58 GMT
I am running Norton.  You put me on the right track.

> > If the restore points are failing then the restore files are more than
> > likely corrupt. Corrupt system restore files are of no use to you so, yes
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> If you are running Norton Internet Security 2007, that can have an effect on
> System Restore (and Security Centre).
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 03:56 GMT
Thanks for your input on the imaging software.

> If the restore points are failing then the restore files are more than
> likely corrupt. Corrupt system restore files are of no use to you so, yes
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> > Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> > Thanks for any help.
John Barnett MVP - 27 Apr 2007 18:44 GMT
You're welcome, Breadstick. Imaging is certainly worth considering. I
certainly wouldn't be without it.

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> Thanks for your input on the imaging software.
>
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>> > Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
>> > Thanks for any help.
~Mike Hollywood - 26 Apr 2007 21:35 GMT
If you turn off system restore, you loose all restore points.
When you turn it back on, you start over.
The disk space for the restore points is variable, and you can
set it to how much disk space you want allocated to it.  By default
it uses a percentage, but with dirves so big now i'm not sure
that's such a good idea.  i set mine to 2 gigs.
when the space is filled up, the next one gets its space by
erasing the oldest one so there's a limit to how far
in time back you can dial once that starts.
If you create one, it isn't removed when the space is filled up,
it's there for keeps.
You don't have to purge the restore points to make one for
your camera.   xp will make one for you automatically
when you install the camera.

mike.

>I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My
>PC
> runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
> Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> Thanks for any help.
Bert Kinney - 26 Apr 2007 23:23 GMT
Hi Mike,

> If you turn off system restore, you loose all restore points.
> When you turn it back on, you start over.

A new restore point is created when System Restore is turned back on.

> The disk space for the restore points is variable, and you can
> set it to how much disk space you want allocated to it.  By default
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> erasing the oldest one so there's a limit to how far
> in time back you can dial once that starts.

> If you create one, it isn't removed when the space is filled up,
> it's there for keeps.

This is untrue. A manually created restore point is treated no differently
than and automatic restore point.

> You don't have to purge the restore points to make one for
> your camera.   xp will make one for you automatically
> when you install the camera.

A manual restore point should always be created before installing new
software. I have found that most application (including some MS apps) do not
create an automatic restore point during the install process.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
~Mike Hollywood - 28 Apr 2007 00:10 GMT
Hi Bert,
Me:>> If you create one, it isn't removed when the space is filled up,
>> it's there for keeps.

you:> This is untrue. A manually created restore point is treated no
differently
> than and automatic restore point.

Are you sure about this?  I thought i read somewhere along the line that the
ones
you named yourself were left alone.  If not, is there a way to create one
that
isn't deleted eventually?
Thanks,
Mike

> Hi Mike,
>
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> http://bertk.mvps.org
> Member: http://dts-l.org
Bert Kinney - 29 Apr 2007 20:27 GMT
> Hi Bert,
> Me:>> If you create one, it isn't removed when the space is filled up,
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> Thanks,
> Mike

I am absolutely positive! And no, their's no way to save a restore point
indefinitely.

Can I permanently save or backup a restore point for later use?
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/tips.html#SaveRestorePoints

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

>> Hi Mike,
>>
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>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>> Member: http://dts-l.org
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 04:00 GMT
I appreciate your detailed response. Thanks a lot.

> If you turn off system restore, you loose all restore points.
> When you turn it back on, you start over.
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> > Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> > Thanks for any help.
Bert Kinney - 26 Apr 2007 22:52 GMT
Hi,

No, it is not advisable to turn off all existing restore points before
installing a new application. If your concerned that System Restore may not
be functioning correctly, test it.

How do I Test System Restore’s functionality?
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/tips.html#HowToTest

Post back if the test fails.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

> I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My PC
> runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
> Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> Thanks for any help.
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 04:16 GMT
The test failed but the next System Restore operation was successful after
Norton Protection was turned off.  Thanks for straightening me out.
Does this mean that I should turn Norton Protection off before System
Restore each time, and then back on again after successful completion?  

> Hi,
>
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> > Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> > Thanks for any help.
gls858 - 27 Apr 2007 15:17 GMT
> The test failed but the next System Restore operation was successful after
> Norton Protection was turned off.  Thanks for straightening me out.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
>>> Thanks for any help.

A better solution might be to get rid of Norton altogether. There are
other options out there that cause fewer problems.

gls858
~Mike Hollywood - 28 Apr 2007 00:08 GMT
Hi,

I use AVG's free anti-virus program.  I've been using it for 7 years, and
put it on hundreds of computers.  I think its' the best free one out there,
and its better than a lot of the ones you buy.
The deal is, on the free version,  it's only to be used on a personal
computer.  If you use it in a business you're supposed to buy it.

Mike

>> The test failed but the next System Restore operation was successful
>> after Norton Protection was turned off.  Thanks for straightening me out.
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>
> gls858
Bert Kinney - 29 Apr 2007 20:39 GMT
>> The test failed but the next System Restore operation was successful
>> after Norton Protection was turned off.  Thanks for straightening me out.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> gls858

I'll second that.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
Bert Kinney - 29 Apr 2007 20:38 GMT
Yes, turn Norton Protection before preforming a restore. Or find a AV
application that plays well with Windows. :)

Virus and Spyware removal and prevention steps:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/spyware.html

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

> The test failed but the next System Restore operation was successful after
> Norton Protection was turned off.  Thanks for straightening me out.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
>>> Thanks for any help.
Breadstick - 27 Apr 2007 03:54 GMT
Thanks for your quick and helpful response.

> I have had trouble with System Restore failing to restore a month ago. My PC
> runs OK currently. I am about to install a digital camera and to create
> Restore Point just prior to that installation. Is it advisable to turn off
> Sysrem Restore and back on, before creating the new Restore Point.
> Thanks for any help.
 
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